Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a LOA
The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could be a
Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPCould you install Mode C transponders in club aircraft? There are many used ones for sale cheap. Not as good overall as ADSB, but a lot cheaper, and it'd keep the passenger aircraft away. My Mode C job works well for me - no airliners nearby since I
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a LOA
a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could be
installed one about 15 years ago.Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPCould you install Mode C transponders in club aircraft? There are many used ones for sale cheap. Not as good overall as ADSB, but a lot cheaper, and it'd keep the passenger aircraft away. My Mode C job works well for me - no airliners nearby since I
EricEric, we could, but that would not solve the problem. The technology is out there, it is proven, it is affordable, and would provide a much better safety net than a mode c. The problem is that the FAA has required the ADSB to be a permanent installation.
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a LOA
The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could be a
Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTP
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a LOA
a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could be
Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision instrument.
Tom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking our
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a
be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could
Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision instrument.
operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safety atTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking our
Making a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and transmittedthrough the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURIST
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safety atTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking our
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
How many gliders are flying out of Hibiscus without a transponder or ADSB? Why don't those pilots install at least a Mode C transponder? Why aren't you encouraging them to do so?
For the price of a SkyEcho, a pilot flying from Hibiscus can likely have a good used Mode C transponder installed. Collision protection now, no waiting for the FAA to agree with you.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
our operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safetyTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
position continuously. Some also have transponders built into them and those typically have ADSB-in via GDL-90 format that Foreflight and other software can decode and display. Some are meant for drones but would also work perfectly for gliders withHow many gliders are flying out of Hibiscus without a transponder or ADSB? Why don't those pilots install at least a Mode C transponder? Why aren't you encouraging them to do so?
For the price of a SkyEcho, a pilot flying from Hibiscus can likely have a good used Mode C transponder installed. Collision protection now, no waiting for the FAA to agree with you.I definitely agree with Bob on this. The low-power portable ADSB-out devices are perfect for gliders, 95% of whom never go into controlled airspace. uAvionix makes many ADSB-out devices that work perfectly without a transponder for broadcasting ADSB
I am amazed and so disappointed that the FAA doesn't approve these devices as UK, NZ and AU have done. Those countries have a program called Electronic Conspicuity, and their full focus is on how to make planes more easily visible, using the readilyavailable technology of today, not from 20 years ago.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
our operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safetyTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
position continuously. Some also have transponders built into them and those typically have ADSB-in via GDL-90 format that Foreflight and other software can decode and display. Some are meant for drones but would also work perfectly for gliders withHow many gliders are flying out of Hibiscus without a transponder or ADSB? Why don't those pilots install at least a Mode C transponder? Why aren't you encouraging them to do so?
For the price of a SkyEcho, a pilot flying from Hibiscus can likely have a good used Mode C transponder installed. Collision protection now, no waiting for the FAA to agree with you.I definitely agree with Bob on this. The low-power portable ADSB-out devices are perfect for gliders, 95% of whom never go into controlled airspace. uAvionix makes many ADSB-out devices that work perfectly without a transponder for broadcasting ADSB
I am amazed and so disappointed that the FAA doesn't approve these devices as UK, NZ and AU have done. Those countries have a program called Electronic Conspicuity, and their full focus is on how to make planes more easily visible, using the readilyavailable technology of today, not from 20 years ago.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:03:42 PM UTC-7, Dan Kvinge wrote:through a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
our operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safetyTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
position continuously. Some also have transponders built into them and those typically have ADSB-in via GDL-90 format that Foreflight and other software can decode and display. Some are meant for drones but would also work perfectly for gliders withHow many gliders are flying out of Hibiscus without a transponder or ADSB? Why don't those pilots install at least a Mode C transponder? Why aren't you encouraging them to do so?
For the price of a SkyEcho, a pilot flying from Hibiscus can likely have a good used Mode C transponder installed. Collision protection now, no waiting for the FAA to agree with you.I definitely agree with Bob on this. The low-power portable ADSB-out devices are perfect for gliders, 95% of whom never go into controlled airspace. uAvionix makes many ADSB-out devices that work perfectly without a transponder for broadcasting ADSB
available technology of today, not from 20 years ago.I am amazed and so disappointed that the FAA doesn't approve these devices as UK, NZ and AU have done. Those countries have a program called Electronic Conspicuity, and their full focus is on how to make planes more easily visible, using the readily
" Mode C transponder also doesn't seem very realistic for cramming into a limited space and limited power glider." Mode C has been easily and successfully "crammed" into a lot of gliders over the last 20. It's not much harder than putting in a radio ofthe same vintage, which almost every glider has. The main issue is the additional power consumption, but with today's LFP batteries, that can be supplied easily, too.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:50:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:through a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:03:42 PM UTC-7, Dan Kvinge wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program
uAvioni could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
tracking our operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greaterTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
ADSB position continuously. Some also have transponders built into them and those typically have ADSB-in via GDL-90 format that Foreflight and other software can decode and display. Some are meant for drones but would also work perfectly for gliders withHow many gliders are flying out of Hibiscus without a transponder or ADSB? Why don't those pilots install at least a Mode C transponder? Why aren't you encouraging them to do so?
For the price of a SkyEcho, a pilot flying from Hibiscus can likely have a good used Mode C transponder installed. Collision protection now, no waiting for the FAA to agree with you.I definitely agree with Bob on this. The low-power portable ADSB-out devices are perfect for gliders, 95% of whom never go into controlled airspace. uAvionix makes many ADSB-out devices that work perfectly without a transponder for broadcasting
readily available technology of today, not from 20 years ago.I am amazed and so disappointed that the FAA doesn't approve these devices as UK, NZ and AU have done. Those countries have a program called Electronic Conspicuity, and their full focus is on how to make planes more easily visible, using the
of the same vintage, which almost every glider has. The main issue is the additional power consumption, but with today's LFP batteries, that can be supplied easily, too." Mode C transponder also doesn't seem very realistic for cramming into a limited space and limited power glider." Mode C has been easily and successfully "crammed" into a lot of gliders over the last 20. It's not much harder than putting in a radio
Eric, you are smarter than that, wake up and smell the coffee. The Transponder is not likely to save you from the most obvious collision target. When pilots are glued to their glass screens, and not watching yet just waiting for that ADSB signal theTCAS does not exist in their equipment, where was the TCAS when the jet came within 25 feet of my wing??? I was squalking on the TXP, yet his reply stated that he had no warning. OBTP
Hey Boober,equipment that is recommended, I'm just here to whine about why you won't give me what I want and take care of me.
Thanks for coming to RAS to whine about your situation vs doing something useful like trying to work with the FAA and negotiate real change. You must be a socialist democrat. Help me oh great government, I won't spend my money to install the proper
Old Bob, Tiny Penis
Hey Boober,equipment that is recommended, I'm just here to whine about why you won't give me what I want and take care of me.
Thanks for coming to RAS to whine about your situation vs doing something useful like trying to work with the FAA and negotiate real change. You must be a socialist democrat. Help me oh great government, I won't spend my money to install the proper
Old Bob, Tiny PenisLook Richard Noggig, or I should I just call you Dickhead? I have negotiated wit the FAA, been on more than one zoom meeting, what have you done? You probably sit on your liberal ass in some liberal out west hovel looking for some crack to smoke. Old Bob,
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-4, Gary Emerson wrote:equipment that is recommended, I'm just here to whine about why you won't give me what I want and take care of me.
Hey Boober,
Thanks for coming to RAS to whine about your situation vs doing something useful like trying to work with the FAA and negotiate real change. You must be a socialist democrat. Help me oh great government, I won't spend my money to install the proper
Bob, The PuristOld Bob, Tiny PenisLook Richard Noggig, or I should I just call you Dickhead? I have negotiated wit the FAA, been on more than one zoom meeting, what have you done? You probably sit on your liberal ass in some liberal out west hovel looking for some crack to smoke. Old
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a
be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could
Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision instrument.
operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safety atTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking our
Making a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and transmittedthrough the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURIST
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safety atTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking our
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
Boobbie, I am WELL AWARE of the difference between a transponder and ADS-B: I have BOTH in my glider. And you DO NOT get a "special transponder code" that is invisible to tracking - if you have it on it WILL be tracked AND visible to websites such asFlightAware and FlightRadar24.
BTW, you meant "ensure", NOT "insure"Terrible Tommy, it is so good to be back at home feeling better and getting into your head. Yes, I do have a special transponder code. Let me help you out here, go to either of those tracking formats that you mentioned and tell me about the flights of
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:38:50 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:equipment that is recommended, I'm just here to whine about why you won't give me what I want and take care of me.
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-4, Gary Emerson wrote:
Hey Boober,
Thanks for coming to RAS to whine about your situation vs doing something useful like trying to work with the FAA and negotiate real change. You must be a socialist democrat. Help me oh great government, I won't spend my money to install the proper
Bob, The PuristOld Bob, Tiny PenisLook Richard Noggig, or I should I just call you Dickhead? I have negotiated wit the FAA, been on more than one zoom meeting, what have you done? You probably sit on your liberal ass in some liberal out west hovel looking for some crack to smoke. Old
Richard, don't pay any attention to Boobie - he calls everyone who disagrees with him a "dickhead" and/or a "liberal." These rants are typical of a DSM-5 candidate.Terrible Tommy, you need to quit stealing my material, I was the one who identified you as the DSM-5 personality, come up with your own material. OBTP
Tom 2G
...
BTW, you meant "ensure", NOT "insure"
I definitely agree with Bob on this. The low-power portable ADSB-out devices are perfect for gliders, 95% of whom never go into controlled airspace. uAvionix makes many ADSB-out devices that work perfectly without a transponder for broadcastingADSB position continuously. Some also have transponders built into them and those typically have ADSB-in via GDL-90 format that Foreflight and other software can decode and display. Some are meant for drones but would also work perfectly for gliders
I am amazed and so disappointed that the FAA doesn't approve these devices as UK, NZ and AU have done. Those countries have a program called Electronic Conspicuity, and their full focus is on how to make planes more easily visible, using the readilyavailable technology of today, not from 20 years ago.
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 4:45:00 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:proper equipment that is recommended, I'm just here to whine about why you won't give me what I want and take care of me.
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 12:38:50 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 8:48:22 AM UTC-4, Gary Emerson wrote:
Hey Boober,
Thanks for coming to RAS to whine about your situation vs doing something useful like trying to work with the FAA and negotiate real change. You must be a socialist democrat. Help me oh great government, I won't spend my money to install the
Old Bob, The PuristOld Bob, Tiny PenisLook Richard Noggig, or I should I just call you Dickhead? I have negotiated wit the FAA, been on more than one zoom meeting, what have you done? You probably sit on your liberal ass in some liberal out west hovel looking for some crack to smoke.
Richard, don't pay any attention to Boobie - he calls everyone who disagrees with him a "dickhead" and/or a "liberal." These rants are typical of a DSM-5 candidate.
Tom 2GTerrible Tommy, you need to quit stealing my material, I was the one who identified you as the DSM-5 personality, come up with your own material. OBTP
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
our operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safetyTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
position continuously. Some also have transponders built into them and those typically have ADSB-in via GDL-90 format that Foreflight and other software can decode and display. Some are meant for drones but would also work perfectly for gliders withHow many gliders are flying out of Hibiscus without a transponder or ADSB? Why don't those pilots install at least a Mode C transponder? Why aren't you encouraging them to do so?
For the price of a SkyEcho, a pilot flying from Hibiscus can likely have a good used Mode C transponder installed. Collision protection now, no waiting for the FAA to agree with you.I definitely agree with Bob on this. The low-power portable ADSB-out devices are perfect for gliders, 95% of whom never go into controlled airspace. uAvionix makes many ADSB-out devices that work perfectly without a transponder for broadcasting ADSB
I am amazed and so disappointed that the FAA doesn't approve these devices as UK, NZ and AU have done. Those countries have a program called Electronic Conspicuity, and their full focus is on how to make planes more easily visible, using the readilyavailable technology of today, not from 20 years ago.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 12:03:42 PM UTC-7, Dan Kvinge wrote:through a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 8:29:27 AM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 1:32:05 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
instrument. Maybe you have installed this equipment since then; if so, then disregard this post; if you haven't then INSTALL THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI have commented in the past that you DO NOT have an operating transponder, and certainly not ADS-B, in your own tow plane. You replied that you have this LOA; note to the uninformed, that an LOA is a PIECE OF PAPER, not an anti-collision
our operations . You seem to be ignorant of the difference between transponder and ADSB as you should certainly know the operating and informative differences. My point is that there is technology available today that would insure greater aviation safetyTom 2GTerrible Tommy, the transponder has been installed in the Pawnee, you went bananas when you could not track the Pawnee out of California, remember??? Our code is a special transponder code that was initiated by the FAA for the purpose of tracking
transmitted through the ADSB system. My question would be is this something that cannot be done or is it something that they just don't want to do because of the portability. OLD BOB, THE PURISTMaking a small unit like Skyecho would and could be a game changer for many areas of aviation as I have previously pointed out, my point is the FAA should get into the ball game and allow the codes from the portable units to be received and
position continuously. Some also have transponders built into them and those typically have ADSB-in via GDL-90 format that Foreflight and other software can decode and display. Some are meant for drones but would also work perfectly for gliders withHow many gliders are flying out of Hibiscus without a transponder or ADSB? Why don't those pilots install at least a Mode C transponder? Why aren't you encouraging them to do so?
For the price of a SkyEcho, a pilot flying from Hibiscus can likely have a good used Mode C transponder installed. Collision protection now, no waiting for the FAA to agree with you.I definitely agree with Bob on this. The low-power portable ADSB-out devices are perfect for gliders, 95% of whom never go into controlled airspace. uAvionix makes many ADSB-out devices that work perfectly without a transponder for broadcasting ADSB
available technology of today, not from 20 years ago.I am amazed and so disappointed that the FAA doesn't approve these devices as UK, NZ and AU have done. Those countries have a program called Electronic Conspicuity, and their full focus is on how to make planes more easily visible, using the readily
This is just another red herring by Boobie. This is from uAvionix' website:Terrible Tommie, does Sentry give you ADSB out? I will let you answer that question then follow up. OBTP
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
And there is a link to:
https://flywithsentry.com/
Tom 2G
On 9/29/2023 4:50 PM, 2G wrote:Thanks Moshe, just a slip of the finger. OBTP
...Ensure: take steps to prevent bad thing from happening.
BTW, you meant "ensure", NOT "insure"
Insure: they'll pay you some money if bad thing happens.
Assure: talk down the possibility of bad thing happening.
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a LOA
The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could be a
Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTP
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a LOA
a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could be
SkyEcho is about $650 (US dollars), so well within the "affordable" range. As far as I can determine, it's allowed only in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand. Why it's not available more widely, I don't know, but the UK does have a history of "lighter"Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a LOA
a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could be
UH. you are 100% correct, if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device, which is available and can add another layer of safety. Also, theGlider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:35:38 AM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a
be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni could
ultimate goal is to see and be seen, not just see, which is a 50% factor and a 100% factor is available. Skyecho can provide a 40-50 mile protection buffer for both target aircraft, what is wrong with that? I would like for every glider in our club toUH. you are 100% correct, if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device, which is available and can add another layer of safety. Also, theGlider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:21:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:35:38 AM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through a
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
ultimate goal is to see and be seen, not just see, which is a 50% factor and a 100% factor is available. Skyecho can provide a 40-50 mile protection buffer for both target aircraft, what is wrong with that? I would like for every glider in our club toUH. you are 100% correct, if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device, which is available and can add another layer of safety. Also, theGlider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
The drones from Best Buy (or any consumer drone) do not transmit ADS-B signals, but some drones made by DJI do have ADS-B in. A concern about drones emitting ADS-B signals is overwhelming the system. but DJI and others are supposed to be working onmethods to prevent system overload. Equipping with ADS-B in would aid pilots in avoiding ADS-B equipped aircraft. Does everyone flying from Hibiscus have ADS-B in?
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:21:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:35:38 AM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program through
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
ultimate goal is to see and be seen, not just see, which is a 50% factor and a 100% factor is available. Skyecho can provide a 40-50 mile protection buffer for both target aircraft, what is wrong with that? I would like for every glider in our club toUH. you are 100% correct, if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device, which is available and can add another layer of safety. Also, theGlider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
methods to prevent system overload. Equipping with ADS-B in would aid pilots in avoiding ADS-B equipped aircraft. Does everyone flying from Hibiscus have ADS-B in?The drones from Best Buy (or any consumer drone) do not transmit ADS-B signals, but some drones made by DJI do have ADS-B in. A concern about drones emitting ADS-B signals is overwhelming the system. but DJI and others are supposed to be working on
I do know a bit about drones, I have about ten of them, authorization is required for ADSB out , the FAA has required that UAS operators receiving ATC services must have ADSB out, it does get a bit crazy at times. No, not all operators at Hibiscus haveADSB in, probably most gliders in this country do not either . OBTP
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 2:24:57 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:through a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:21:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:35:38 AM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program
could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from uAvioni
the ultimate goal is to see and be seen, not just see, which is a 50% factor and a 100% factor is available. Skyecho can provide a 40-50 mile protection buffer for both target aircraft, what is wrong with that? I would like for every glider in our clubUH. you are 100% correct, if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device, which is available and can add another layer of safety. Also,Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
methods to prevent system overload. Equipping with ADS-B in would aid pilots in avoiding ADS-B equipped aircraft. Does everyone flying from Hibiscus have ADS-B in?The drones from Best Buy (or any consumer drone) do not transmit ADS-B signals, but some drones made by DJI do have ADS-B in. A concern about drones emitting ADS-B signals is overwhelming the system. but DJI and others are supposed to be working on
have ADSB in, probably most gliders in this country do not either . OBTPI do know a bit about drones, I have about ten of them, authorization is required for ADSB out , the FAA has required that UAS operators receiving ATC services must have ADSB out, it does get a bit crazy at times. No, not all operators at Hibiscus
You wrote: "if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device"remark "if drones that you buy at Best Buy ..." is "you can't buy drones from Best Buy that are transmitting ADS-B".
Did you get it from Best Buy? Did have it ADSB Out when you walked out the door with it? Nope, it's more complicated than that. My point is ADSB is not in consumer level drones that anyone can just walk into a store and buy, so the response to your
The major practical reason is the very large numbers of consumer drones could/would overwhelm the system, but I'm sure there are several other reasons.No, it did not have ADSB out when I walked out the door, but it did the following few days, the point is that why does a drone have the capability to have ADSB out and a portable unit is not allowed ? To further explain to you a bit about ADSB in, it is
Eric
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:53:59 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:through a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 2:24:57 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:21:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:35:38 AM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program
uAvioni could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from
the ultimate goal is to see and be seen, not just see, which is a 50% factor and a 100% factor is available. Skyecho can provide a 40-50 mile protection buffer for both target aircraft, what is wrong with that? I would like for every glider in our clubUH. you are 100% correct, if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device, which is available and can add another layer of safety. Also,Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
on methods to prevent system overload. Equipping with ADS-B in would aid pilots in avoiding ADS-B equipped aircraft. Does everyone flying from Hibiscus have ADS-B in?The drones from Best Buy (or any consumer drone) do not transmit ADS-B signals, but some drones made by DJI do have ADS-B in. A concern about drones emitting ADS-B signals is overwhelming the system. but DJI and others are supposed to be working
have ADSB in, probably most gliders in this country do not either . OBTPI do know a bit about drones, I have about ten of them, authorization is required for ADSB out , the FAA has required that UAS operators receiving ATC services must have ADSB out, it does get a bit crazy at times. No, not all operators at Hibiscus
remark "if drones that you buy at Best Buy ..." is "you can't buy drones from Best Buy that are transmitting ADS-B".You wrote: "if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device"
Did you get it from Best Buy? Did have it ADSB Out when you walked out the door with it? Nope, it's more complicated than that. My point is ADSB is not in consumer level drones that anyone can just walk into a store and buy, so the response to your
is basically useless on a drone, even with the smart controllers like I use. Now how about telling me how much more safety is applied when there is ADSB out vs in? The argument that the FAA has used is that there are not enough ground stations to provideThe major practical reason is the very large numbers of consumer drones could/would overwhelm the system, but I'm sure there are several other reasons.
EricNo, it did not have ADSB out when I walked out the door, but it did the following few days, the point is that why does a drone have the capability to have ADSB out and a portable unit is not allowed ? To further explain to you a bit about ADSB in, it
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 3:26:13 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:through a LOA to communicate with WPA, and KVRB when operating gliders. This program has helped in regard to instrument traffic being advised of gliders operating, and local traffic being advised through ATIS.
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:53:59 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 2:24:57 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 12:21:14 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 10:35:38 AM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:
On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 4:32:05 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Having been heavily involved with the NMAC's between towplane and jet traffic, it seems to me that doing nothing to secure the safety of aviation is being overlooked.
Most of us at some time or another have seen traffic up close, too close for comfort. Our area consist of heavy traffic ranging from flight training schools to scheduled heavy jet traffic. Our club was successful in developing a program
uAvioni could be a gamechanger for general aviation. Sailplanes would benefit along with many other forms of aviation. The ability to carry a portable unit with a 50 mile range could have and will save lives.The problem still exist as most training and private jet traffic operators are too busy looking at those fancy glass screens instead of making note of traffic upon visual approach.
Why hasn't the FAA endorsed the portable ADSB units that are accepted in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand? The success of the portable ADSB unit in those countries has led to increased safety. A portable unit like the SkyEcho, from
Also, the ultimate goal is to see and be seen, not just see, which is a 50% factor and a 100% factor is available. Skyecho can provide a 40-50 mile protection buffer for both target aircraft, what is wrong with that? I would like for every glider in ourUH. you are 100% correct, if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device, which is available and can add another layer of safety.Glider clubs all over the country would benefit, the cost reduction vs an installed unit would be substantial. OBTPI think Bobbie makes a good point. If we could add a much higher level of protection for 3 or $400 a glider I would expect a lot of pilots and clubs would go for it.
Whether it would satisfy the objectives of Homeland Security( in my opinion the driving force behind the S(surveilance) is another question.
It would seem to me that some of the technology that is being developed for UAV's(airspace trash to me) might also provide similar potential benefits.
Flame suit on
UH
working on methods to prevent system overload. Equipping with ADS-B in would aid pilots in avoiding ADS-B equipped aircraft. Does everyone flying from Hibiscus have ADS-B in?The drones from Best Buy (or any consumer drone) do not transmit ADS-B signals, but some drones made by DJI do have ADS-B in. A concern about drones emitting ADS-B signals is overwhelming the system. but DJI and others are supposed to be
Hibiscus have ADSB in, probably most gliders in this country do not either . OBTPI do know a bit about drones, I have about ten of them, authorization is required for ADSB out , the FAA has required that UAS operators receiving ATC services must have ADSB out, it does get a bit crazy at times. No, not all operators at
remark "if drones that you buy at Best Buy ..." is "you can't buy drones from Best Buy that are transmitting ADS-B".You wrote: "if drones that you buy at Best Buy are transmitting ADSB signals why can't the glider and other sectors of aviation be equipped with a portable ADSB device"
Did you get it from Best Buy? Did have it ADSB Out when you walked out the door with it? Nope, it's more complicated than that. My point is ADSB is not in consumer level drones that anyone can just walk into a store and buy, so the response to your
is basically useless on a drone, even with the smart controllers like I use. Now how about telling me how much more safety is applied when there is ADSB out vs in? The argument that the FAA has used is that there are not enough ground stations to provideThe major practical reason is the very large numbers of consumer drones could/would overwhelm the system, but I'm sure there are several other reasons.
EricNo, it did not have ADSB out when I walked out the door, but it did the following few days, the point is that why does a drone have the capability to have ADSB out and a portable unit is not allowed ? To further explain to you a bit about ADSB in, it
How did you add ADS-B to your drone? Where did you get the device and what did it cost?Expensive, very expensive! OBTP
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
And there is a link to:
https://flywithsentry.com/
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:All,
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power, affordable, ADS-B *out*.
https://flywithsentry.com/
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:21:14 PM UTC-4, Moshe Braner wrote:relevant and needed in this area. The collective, knowledge, and persuasiveness of this group could send a powerful messsage to our safety interested friends in the FAA. Consider commenting and encourage your friends to do so also. It costs nothing, and
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
All,And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power, affordable, ADS-B *out*.
https://flywithsentry.com/
The public comment period for the NPRM MOSAIC ends in 21 days, calling for some of the most sweeping changes in general aviation in years. Many aircraft will be affected, probably gliders too. The current group topic of non certified, portable ADSB is
Tidewater Soaring Society operates in a high traffic area in the approaches to Langley AFB, Norfolk City, Williamsburg/ Newport News and several surrounding GA airports. After a number of close calls, we entered into an agreement with Norfolk
Approach to notify them when we operated and received a squak number for our gliders. We have equipped all our club gliders and tow planes with transponders and have seen the close calls decrease. We would welcome this next step in safety for us all.
NPRM Public comment link below
Tom Watson
Tidewater Soaring Society
https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/FAA-2023-1377-0001Tom, thank you very much for this very informative and descriptive addition to this thread. I appears that your club has mirrored the proactive agreement that TCSC has with WPB, Vero Beach through the FSDO and regional office of the FAA in Atlanta. It is
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Watson wrote:is relevant and needed in this area. The collective, knowledge, and persuasiveness of this group could send a powerful messsage to our safety interested friends in the FAA. Consider commenting and encourage your friends to do so also. It costs nothing,
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:21:14 PM UTC-4, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
All,And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power, affordable, ADS-B *out*.
https://flywithsentry.com/
The public comment period for the NPRM MOSAIC ends in 21 days, calling for some of the most sweeping changes in general aviation in years. Many aircraft will be affected, probably gliders too. The current group topic of non certified, portable ADSB
Tidewater Soaring Society operates in a high traffic area in the approaches to Langley AFB, Norfolk City, Williamsburg/ Newport News and several surrounding GA airports. After a number of close calls, we entered into an agreement with Norfolk
Approach to notify them when we operated and received a squak number for our gliders. We have equipped all our club gliders and tow planes with transponders and have seen the close calls decrease. We would welcome this next step in safety for us all.
NPRM Public comment link below
Tom Watson
Tidewater Soaring Society
is time for a change, and it is well past due. The inclusion of a portable ADSB device is a game changer, a huge safety factor increase and an affordable solution to all soaring pilots alike.https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/FAA-2023-1377-0001Tom, thank you very much for this very informative and descriptive addition to this thread. I appears that your club has mirrored the proactive agreement that TCSC has with WPB, Vero Beach through the FSDO and regional office of the FAA in Atlanta. It
No longer do we need transponders in gliders that are not equipped with such, as you stated the next step is safety for all of us, and it is long past due.
The SSA and the EAA should be much more proactive in this effort to make a change that protects GA plots like us glider pilots. I encourage all SSA and EAA members to participate in the NPRM opportunity. Old Bob, The Purist
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:03:15 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:is relevant and needed in this area. The collective, knowledge, and persuasiveness of this group could send a powerful messsage to our safety interested friends in the FAA. Consider commenting and encourage your friends to do so also. It costs nothing,
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Watson wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:21:14 PM UTC-4, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
All,And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for
https://flywithsentry.com/
that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power, affordable, ADS-B *out*.
The public comment period for the NPRM MOSAIC ends in 21 days, calling for some of the most sweeping changes in general aviation in years. Many aircraft will be affected, probably gliders too. The current group topic of non certified, portable ADSB
all.Tidewater Soaring Society operates in a high traffic area in the approaches to Langley AFB, Norfolk City, Williamsburg/ Newport News and several surrounding GA airports. After a number of close calls, we entered into an agreement with Norfolk
Approach to notify them when we operated and received a squak number for our gliders. We have equipped all our club gliders and tow planes with transponders and have seen the close calls decrease. We would welcome this next step in safety for us
NPRM Public comment link below
Tom Watson
Tidewater Soaring Society
It is time for a change, and it is well past due. The inclusion of a portable ADSB device is a game changer, a huge safety factor increase and an affordable solution to all soaring pilots alike.https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/FAA-2023-1377-0001Tom, thank you very much for this very informative and descriptive addition to this thread. I appears that your club has mirrored the proactive agreement that TCSC has with WPB, Vero Beach through the FSDO and regional office of the FAA in Atlanta.
airspace system by making an aircraft visible to air traffic control and to other appropriately equipped aircraft, promoting the separation of aircraft, and decreasing the risk of mid-air collision."No longer do we need transponders in gliders that are not equipped with such, as you stated the next step is safety for all of us, and it is long past due.I agree, this is a great chance to add our comments.
The SSA and the EAA should be much more proactive in this effort to make a change that protects GA plots like us glider pilots. I encourage all SSA and EAA members to participate in the NPRM opportunity. Old Bob, The Purist
The only reference to ADS-B or transponders is in section D7:
D. Certification of Light-Sport Category Aircraft.....7. Instruments and Equipment
(you can do a control+F to quickly find the word transponder)
I copied the relevant part below in quotes....
"Additionally, light-sport category aircraft would also be more prone to fly in airspace requiring transponders and ADS–B equipment as aircraft designers may be more willing to install this equipment. This equipment enhances safety of the national
I think it odd that this lengthy document covers so much of the aircraft structure and pilot certification, but only two sentences about reducing risk of mid-air collisions. There is useful and low-cost technology available to "see and be seen" thatwould be very helpful beyond air traffic control visibility.
As Tom and Bob said, please add your comments to this document...maybe we can make a difference!The reference seems to about regulation changes for LSA and experimentals that want to fly at night and in IMC that encourage equipping those aircraft with transponders and ADS-B, not about lower cost transponder and ADSB to do the encouraging. Or did I
How about pilots in UK, New Zealand, and Australia? Are you buying and
using SkyEcho? Is it making airspace safer or more available to you?
Does anyone have any idea why it's just these three countries that can
use it, and not so many other countries?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 07:32:40 -0700 (PDT), Eric Greenwell wrote:
How about pilots in UK, New Zealand, and Australia? Are you buying and using SkyEcho? Is it making airspace safer or more available to you?
Does anyone have any idea why it's just these three countries that can
use it, and not so many other countries?
UK pilot, using a RedBox FLARM system, fitted to me Libelle in 2005 and 'just working' ever since. Early on I found precisely where to position
its dipole in front of the panel so it can (a) 'look back over its
shoulder' past all the instruments on the panel and (b) its internal GPS
has a good sky view. I know this setup is good: because I've periodically checked flight logs with the range analysis tool on the FLARM website.
I'd never heard of SkyEcho until now, but it turns out that you're better placed than I am to find out more about it and its maker, uAvionix,
because its website says the latter is a US company with offices in MT and VA.
--It's available in the UK from Transair, Fightstore, and others: https://transair.co.uk/avionics-radios-and-gps/ads-b-devices/skyecho-2-uavionix-portable-ads-b-transceiver
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:22:25 AM UTC-7, Dan Kvinge wrote:ADSB is relevant and needed in this area. The collective, knowledge, and persuasiveness of this group could send a powerful messsage to our safety interested friends in the FAA. Consider commenting and encourage your friends to do so also. It costs
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:03:15 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Watson wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:21:14 PM UTC-4, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
All,And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for
https://flywithsentry.com/
that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power, affordable, ADS-B *out*.
The public comment period for the NPRM MOSAIC ends in 21 days, calling for some of the most sweeping changes in general aviation in years. Many aircraft will be affected, probably gliders too. The current group topic of non certified, portable
all.Tidewater Soaring Society operates in a high traffic area in the approaches to Langley AFB, Norfolk City, Williamsburg/ Newport News and several surrounding GA airports. After a number of close calls, we entered into an agreement with Norfolk
Approach to notify them when we operated and received a squak number for our gliders. We have equipped all our club gliders and tow planes with transponders and have seen the close calls decrease. We would welcome this next step in safety for us
NPRM Public comment link below
Tom Watson
Tidewater Soaring Society
It is time for a change, and it is well past due. The inclusion of a portable ADSB device is a game changer, a huge safety factor increase and an affordable solution to all soaring pilots alike.https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/FAA-2023-1377-0001Tom, thank you very much for this very informative and descriptive addition to this thread. I appears that your club has mirrored the proactive agreement that TCSC has with WPB, Vero Beach through the FSDO and regional office of the FAA in Atlanta.
airspace system by making an aircraft visible to air traffic control and to other appropriately equipped aircraft, promoting the separation of aircraft, and decreasing the risk of mid-air collision."No longer do we need transponders in gliders that are not equipped with such, as you stated the next step is safety for all of us, and it is long past due.I agree, this is a great chance to add our comments.
The SSA and the EAA should be much more proactive in this effort to make a change that protects GA plots like us glider pilots. I encourage all SSA and EAA members to participate in the NPRM opportunity. Old Bob, The Purist
The only reference to ADS-B or transponders is in section D7:
D. Certification of Light-Sport Category Aircraft.....7. Instruments and Equipment
(you can do a control+F to quickly find the word transponder)
I copied the relevant part below in quotes....
"Additionally, light-sport category aircraft would also be more prone to fly in airspace requiring transponders and ADS–B equipment as aircraft designers may be more willing to install this equipment. This equipment enhances safety of the national
would be very helpful beyond air traffic control visibility.I think it odd that this lengthy document covers so much of the aircraft structure and pilot certification, but only two sentences about reducing risk of mid-air collisions. There is useful and low-cost technology available to "see and be seen" that
I miss something?As Tom and Bob said, please add your comments to this document...maybe we can make a difference!The reference seems to about regulation changes for LSA and experimentals that want to fly at night and in IMC that encourage equipping those aircraft with transponders and ADS-B, not about lower cost transponder and ADSB to do the encouraging. Or did
How about pilots in UK, New Zealand, and Australia? Are you buying and using SkyEcho? Is it making airspace safer or more available to you? Does anyone have any idea why it's just these three countries that can use it, and not so many other countries?Eric, it is because they allow the portability of the unit. I works extremely well, it is affordable, readily available and will make flying gliders more safe, it is truly amazing that the UK, New Zealand and Australia have safer airspace than the US.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:32:43 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:ADSB is relevant and needed in this area. The collective, knowledge, and persuasiveness of this group could send a powerful messsage to our safety interested friends in the FAA. Consider commenting and encourage your friends to do so also. It costs
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:22:25 AM UTC-7, Dan Kvinge wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:03:15 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Watson wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:21:14 PM UTC-4, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
All,And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for
https://flywithsentry.com/
that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power, affordable, ADS-B *out*.
The public comment period for the NPRM MOSAIC ends in 21 days, calling for some of the most sweeping changes in general aviation in years. Many aircraft will be affected, probably gliders too. The current group topic of non certified, portable
us all.Tidewater Soaring Society operates in a high traffic area in the approaches to Langley AFB, Norfolk City, Williamsburg/ Newport News and several surrounding GA airports. After a number of close calls, we entered into an agreement with Norfolk
Approach to notify them when we operated and received a squak number for our gliders. We have equipped all our club gliders and tow planes with transponders and have seen the close calls decrease. We would welcome this next step in safety for
NPRM Public comment link below
Tom Watson
Tidewater Soaring Society
Atlanta. It is time for a change, and it is well past due. The inclusion of a portable ADSB device is a game changer, a huge safety factor increase and an affordable solution to all soaring pilots alike.https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/FAA-2023-1377-0001Tom, thank you very much for this very informative and descriptive addition to this thread. I appears that your club has mirrored the proactive agreement that TCSC has with WPB, Vero Beach through the FSDO and regional office of the FAA in
national airspace system by making an aircraft visible to air traffic control and to other appropriately equipped aircraft, promoting the separation of aircraft, and decreasing the risk of mid-air collision."No longer do we need transponders in gliders that are not equipped with such, as you stated the next step is safety for all of us, and it is long past due.I agree, this is a great chance to add our comments.
The SSA and the EAA should be much more proactive in this effort to make a change that protects GA plots like us glider pilots. I encourage all SSA and EAA members to participate in the NPRM opportunity. Old Bob, The Purist
The only reference to ADS-B or transponders is in section D7:
D. Certification of Light-Sport Category Aircraft.....7. Instruments and Equipment
(you can do a control+F to quickly find the word transponder)
I copied the relevant part below in quotes....
"Additionally, light-sport category aircraft would also be more prone to fly in airspace requiring transponders and ADS–B equipment as aircraft designers may be more willing to install this equipment. This equipment enhances safety of the
that would be very helpful beyond air traffic control visibility.I think it odd that this lengthy document covers so much of the aircraft structure and pilot certification, but only two sentences about reducing risk of mid-air collisions. There is useful and low-cost technology available to "see and be seen"
did I miss something?As Tom and Bob said, please add your comments to this document...maybe we can make a difference!The reference seems to about regulation changes for LSA and experimentals that want to fly at night and in IMC that encourage equipping those aircraft with transponders and ADS-B, not about lower cost transponder and ADSB to do the encouraging. Or
Maybe they don't have as much bureaucratic BS to go through. OBTPHow about pilots in UK, New Zealand, and Australia? Are you buying and using SkyEcho? Is it making airspace safer or more available to you? Does anyone have any idea why it's just these three countries that can use it, and not so many other countries?Eric, it is because they allow the portability of the unit. I works extremely well, it is affordable, readily available and will make flying gliders more safe, it is truly amazing that the UK, New Zealand and Australia have safer airspace than the US.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 3:24:28 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:portable ADSB is relevant and needed in this area. The collective, knowledge, and persuasiveness of this group could send a powerful messsage to our safety interested friends in the FAA. Consider commenting and encourage your friends to do so also. It
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:32:43 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:22:25 AM UTC-7, Dan Kvinge wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:03:15 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Watson wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:21:14 PM UTC-4, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
All,And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for
https://flywithsentry.com/
that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power,
affordable, ADS-B *out*.
The public comment period for the NPRM MOSAIC ends in 21 days, calling for some of the most sweeping changes in general aviation in years. Many aircraft will be affected, probably gliders too. The current group topic of non certified,
us all.Tidewater Soaring Society operates in a high traffic area in the approaches to Langley AFB, Norfolk City, Williamsburg/ Newport News and several surrounding GA airports. After a number of close calls, we entered into an agreement with Norfolk
Approach to notify them when we operated and received a squak number for our gliders. We have equipped all our club gliders and tow planes with transponders and have seen the close calls decrease. We would welcome this next step in safety for
NPRM Public comment link below
Tom Watson
Tidewater Soaring Society
Atlanta. It is time for a change, and it is well past due. The inclusion of a portable ADSB device is a game changer, a huge safety factor increase and an affordable solution to all soaring pilots alike.https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/FAA-2023-1377-0001Tom, thank you very much for this very informative and descriptive addition to this thread. I appears that your club has mirrored the proactive agreement that TCSC has with WPB, Vero Beach through the FSDO and regional office of the FAA in
national airspace system by making an aircraft visible to air traffic control and to other appropriately equipped aircraft, promoting the separation of aircraft, and decreasing the risk of mid-air collision."No longer do we need transponders in gliders that are not equipped with such, as you stated the next step is safety for all of us, and it is long past due.I agree, this is a great chance to add our comments.
The SSA and the EAA should be much more proactive in this effort to make a change that protects GA plots like us glider pilots. I encourage all SSA and EAA members to participate in the NPRM opportunity. Old Bob, The Purist
The only reference to ADS-B or transponders is in section D7:
D. Certification of Light-Sport Category Aircraft.....7. Instruments and Equipment
(you can do a control+F to quickly find the word transponder)
I copied the relevant part below in quotes....
"Additionally, light-sport category aircraft would also be more prone to fly in airspace requiring transponders and ADS–B equipment as aircraft designers may be more willing to install this equipment. This equipment enhances safety of the
that would be very helpful beyond air traffic control visibility.I think it odd that this lengthy document covers so much of the aircraft structure and pilot certification, but only two sentences about reducing risk of mid-air collisions. There is useful and low-cost technology available to "see and be seen"
did I miss something?As Tom and Bob said, please add your comments to this document...maybe we can make a difference!The reference seems to about regulation changes for LSA and experimentals that want to fly at night and in IMC that encourage equipping those aircraft with transponders and ADS-B, not about lower cost transponder and ADSB to do the encouraging. Or
countries?How about pilots in UK, New Zealand, and Australia? Are you buying and using SkyEcho? Is it making airspace safer or more available to you? Does anyone have any idea why it's just these three countries that can use it, and not so many other
Maybe they don't have as much bureaucratic BS to go through. OBTPEric, it is because they allow the portability of the unit. I works extremely well, it is affordable, readily available and will make flying gliders more safe, it is truly amazing that the UK, New Zealand and Australia have safer airspace than the US.
Maybe it's all British rule, thus commonality between the 3 countries?The FAA extended the comment deadline on MOSAIC light sport aircraft until Jan 22, 2024, due to requests from various aircraft groups (SSA not one of them). There is still time to offer your comments about Electronic Conspicuity and encourage the FAA
I like Flarm in the US, at least I can see some traffic coming even if they can't see me on a screen. I'm in the NY metro area, so, 3 large airports nearby, a VOR not far away, and "crank" intersection just above.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:07:44 PM UTC-5, Charlie M. (UH, Pi & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:portable ADSB is relevant and needed in this area. The collective, knowledge, and persuasiveness of this group could send a powerful messsage to our safety interested friends in the FAA. Consider commenting and encourage your friends to do so also. It
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 3:24:28 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:32:43 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:22:25 AM UTC-7, Dan Kvinge wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:03:15 AM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Watson wrote:
On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:21:14 PM UTC-4, Moshe Braner wrote:
On 9/29/2023 10:58 PM, 2G wrote:
SkyEcho is NOT approved for use in the United States.
For U.S. applications, see Sentry by ForeFlight
All,And there is a link to:- The Sentry is ADS-B *in*. There are several inexpensive solutions for
https://flywithsentry.com/
that. (PowerFLARM is one of them.) The issue at hand is low power,
affordable, ADS-B *out*.
The public comment period for the NPRM MOSAIC ends in 21 days, calling for some of the most sweeping changes in general aviation in years. Many aircraft will be affected, probably gliders too. The current group topic of non certified,
NorfolkTidewater Soaring Society operates in a high traffic area in the approaches to Langley AFB, Norfolk City, Williamsburg/ Newport News and several surrounding GA airports. After a number of close calls, we entered into an agreement with
for us all.Approach to notify them when we operated and received a squak number for our gliders. We have equipped all our club gliders and tow planes with transponders and have seen the close calls decrease. We would welcome this next step in safety
NPRM Public comment link below
Tom Watson
Tidewater Soaring Society
Atlanta. It is time for a change, and it is well past due. The inclusion of a portable ADSB device is a game changer, a huge safety factor increase and an affordable solution to all soaring pilots alike.https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/FAA-2023-1377-0001Tom, thank you very much for this very informative and descriptive addition to this thread. I appears that your club has mirrored the proactive agreement that TCSC has with WPB, Vero Beach through the FSDO and regional office of the FAA in
national airspace system by making an aircraft visible to air traffic control and to other appropriately equipped aircraft, promoting the separation of aircraft, and decreasing the risk of mid-air collision."No longer do we need transponders in gliders that are not equipped with such, as you stated the next step is safety for all of us, and it is long past due.I agree, this is a great chance to add our comments.
The SSA and the EAA should be much more proactive in this effort to make a change that protects GA plots like us glider pilots. I encourage all SSA and EAA members to participate in the NPRM opportunity. Old Bob, The Purist
The only reference to ADS-B or transponders is in section D7:
D. Certification of Light-Sport Category Aircraft.....7. Instruments and Equipment
(you can do a control+F to quickly find the word transponder)
I copied the relevant part below in quotes....
"Additionally, light-sport category aircraft would also be more prone to fly in airspace requiring transponders and ADS–B equipment as aircraft designers may be more willing to install this equipment. This equipment enhances safety of the
that would be very helpful beyond air traffic control visibility.I think it odd that this lengthy document covers so much of the aircraft structure and pilot certification, but only two sentences about reducing risk of mid-air collisions. There is useful and low-cost technology available to "see and be seen"
Or did I miss something?As Tom and Bob said, please add your comments to this document...maybe we can make a difference!The reference seems to about regulation changes for LSA and experimentals that want to fly at night and in IMC that encourage equipping those aircraft with transponders and ADS-B, not about lower cost transponder and ADSB to do the encouraging.
countries?How about pilots in UK, New Zealand, and Australia? Are you buying and using SkyEcho? Is it making airspace safer or more available to you? Does anyone have any idea why it's just these three countries that can use it, and not so many other
US. Maybe they don't have as much bureaucratic BS to go through. OBTPEric, it is because they allow the portability of the unit. I works extremely well, it is affordable, readily available and will make flying gliders more safe, it is truly amazing that the UK, New Zealand and Australia have safer airspace than the
to improve safety by allowing a low-cost ADS-B OUT solution for use outside of tower-controlled airspace.Maybe it's all British rule, thus commonality between the 3 countries?The FAA extended the comment deadline on MOSAIC light sport aircraft until Jan 22, 2024, due to requests from various aircraft groups (SSA not one of them). There is still time to offer your comments about Electronic Conspicuity and encourage the FAA
I like Flarm in the US, at least I can see some traffic coming even if they can't see me on a screen. I'm in the NY metro area, so, 3 large airports nearby, a VOR not far away, and "crank" intersection just above.
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