On Mon Apr 22 13:52:29 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 16:44:32 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:

On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >

On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?

As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.

Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.

So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.

On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.

I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.

Some folks are much more limited.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.

Krygowski mistakenly believes people are "grumpy" simply because they
don't give him the respect and admiration he, also mistakenly,
believes he deserves. The people he accuses of being "grumpy" seem to
get along fine with almost everybody else.

You're not implying that the Plant Engineer who presented himself as an experienced mechanical engineer could possibly be irritated that people are not genuflecting to his opinions? Most of the things he says, were he to say them to my face would
hospitalize him. I have talked to my lawyer and we determined what I can and cannot repond to with physical force and Frank has so far exceeded that, that I could REALLY hurt that sniveling coward without him having grounds to sue.

My wifw has a teaching credential and can teach almost any high school subject though hard science she is limited to 9thy grade. Frank wants us to believe that you have to have a degree in mechanical engineering to teach mechanical engineering. Sorry,
that is quit wrong.

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On Sun Apr 21 04:48:15 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:53:21 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sat Apr 20 12:57:51 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?

As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.

Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.

So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.

On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.

I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.

Some folks are much more limited.

Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a >> >>> variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with >> >>> someone I?d not ridden with much.

Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.

Roger Merriman

While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to >> >> annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I
don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit
there and pretend that I do.

Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ >> >with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting
likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.

And anything in between.

It?s not even a binary choice.

Roger Merriman

Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion

You have to remember that riding a carrrike is not like riding a 2 wheeler. It is nice to have someone there if you catch a wheel in a crack and get thrown down the road at 30 mph

It seems to me that person would be more likely to do that if they're gossiping with each other as they ride.

I don't know. People sho ride next to each other and gossip generally are better riders. People like me that are getting older and have reduced attention tend to ride in-line and watch for potholes rather than gossip. That's what the coffee stops are for.

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On Sun Apr 21 04:55:07 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 23:54:56 GMT, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sat Apr 20 14:38:56 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 14:29:43 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 4/20/2024 1:33 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:41:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:12:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >> >>>>> wrote:

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 4/19/2024 4:19 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 13:54:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 4/19/2024 1:15 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:

Why would
anyone choose to ride under somebody else's directions?

As is often quoted, for every room in heaven there's another
just like it in hell for someone else.

Everybody follows their own directions. Some people's directions have
them following other people.

So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding
regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.

On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least
8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never >> >>>>>>> ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried
on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.

I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding
fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility. >> >>>>>>>
Some folks are much more limited.

Indeed, I ride with a range of folks from friends from my youth to a
variety of different folks at the bike club. From very fit Strava segment
chasers to cake chatters, mostly off road though not always, such as riding
around London Cobbles organised by another club which was a hoot, with
someone I?d not ridden with much.

Do I ride on my own absolutely! I?m generally more technical than my riding
companion so bigger more scary stuff I do on my own.

Roger Merriman

While other people apparently enjoy small talk sessions, they tend to
annoy me because I don't want to come right out tell people that I >> >>>>> don't care how their brother-in-law broke his leg, so I have to sit >> >>>>> there and pretend that I do.

Fine that?s well a choice, ie clubs aren?t for everyone and clubs differ
with their focus some have a more performance focus others more social and
so on, plus some club rides are essentially chain gangs, no chatting >> >>>> likely! Compared to social/cafe types that will be very much so.

And anything in between.

It?s not even a binary choice.

Roger Merriman

Deeply introverted people like me don't really have a choice.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion

There is no one saying you must be in a club, which favours roadies anyway,
are MTB and other clubs but it fits better with road cycling. Hence I?m a
member of a road club.

And depends on the person as well, for some having the support of the club
ie someone to navigate or help with mechanicals etc.

Roger Merriman

floriduh dumbass continues to confuse sociopathy with introversion.
Lack of empathy is a characteristic of anti-social personality disorder, >> >not of introversion.

I am always empathetic to Junior's ignorance.

Anyone that is so fearful that his name might be recognized and his BS exposed tends to act that way.

Junior and I disagree on most everything and he obviously hates me,
but he seems unafraid to go out and challenge himself and I think he
backs that up. In other words, he's not a phony like Krygowski.

I think that he worries more about his own future and is somewhat envious of the successes we've had and doesn't know if he can ever do it in the present political atmosphere. So I'm quite sure that he doesn't hate you but that you irritate the hell out
of him. Maybe cutting him some slack might help though it might take awhile. We all have time.

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On Tue Apr 23 03:02:15 2024 Catrike Ryder wrote:

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:03:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On 4/22/2024 12:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Fri Apr 19 19:18:35 2024 Frank Krygowski wrote:

So the grumpiest person here, and the one with the most limited riding >>> regime, thinks there's no joy or value in riding with others.

On my most recent group ride, I had friendly conversation with at least >>> 8 different people, and I was introduced to a few roads I'd never
ridden, some with beautiful scenery. At the group ride's end, I carried >>> on solo for another 16 miles or so at a higher pace.

I'm happy to be able to enjoy riding with others or riding solo, riding >>> fast or riding more slowly, riding for recreation or for utility.

Some folks are much more limited.

Frank, there's no reason for you to be worrying about who is grumpy and who isn't. They might very well have complex reasons to being so.

Oh, I don't doubt there are many reasons our tricycle rider is so >consistently grumpy! It would probably be a sad psychological study.

There's a vast difference between being grumpy and simply not
expressing the respect and admiration a person believes they deserve
when they post ridiculous undocumented brags.

"Am I qualified to talk about such things? Yes, by virtue of attending multiple classes at various levels for each of the programs described
above. I've also acted as an editorial consultant on two well known
books dealing with those matters. I've written many articles on those
and related topics, and had some of them reprinted by publications in
other states and one other country. I no longer maintain the teaching certification, but I've taught many cycling classes, I've written
scripts for and appeared in televised instructional spots, I've been interviewed for newspapers and TV on such matters, and I've spoken (by request) at city, regional and statewide gatherings."

"I've written articles about dogs vs. bikes, and I
was once quoted on the issue in _Bicycling_ magazine."

"there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."

"I've been riding with this club for 35 years now. I've given
workshops
and classes on riding, including group riding. I've written articles
on it for the club newsletter and for other publications. I've had
other cycling instructors compliment my riding, and say they learned
and improved by watching me. Just last night, one member took me aside
and asked me to give tips to a new member who obviously needed advice
on group riding."

"I ride as a competent adult on normal roads. I've taught others to do
that, and I've been recognized for such work. The remarks I posted
above were not bragging."

--Frank Krygowski https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/DyBp-Is96bs/m/d04XP9qBBwAJ

Maybe you too should take a new page from me and ignore Frank and Liebermann altogether. Is it worth the irritation?

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