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    From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 25 16:04:42 2025
    On Fri Jan 24 14:33:53 2025 Frank Krygowski wrote:
    In another forum, someone postulated that integrated brake & shift
    levers (like STI) were the most significant bit of racing technology
    ever designed for increasing speed. But that claim met with little
    respect. One skeptic noted that there was no great increase in average
    race speeds in Paris-Roubaix, Milan-San Remo, Tour of Flanders, Leige-Bastogne-Leige or Giro de Lobardia since about 1960, including
    during the era of STI adoption. By contrast, in the years 1930 - 1960 average speeds increased around 30%. (Note: That does not mean that STI
    is not tactically beneficial. That's a separate issue.)

    But if not STI, what were the most significant tech developments
    regarding bicycle race speeds?

    Here?s my list:

    Pedals & cranks, as opposed to scooting a ?hobby horse? via feet on the ground.

    Tubular metal frames and wire tension (spoke) wheels.

    Large driven wheels, to give a much higher effective ?gear.? (The
    Ordinary or Penny Farthing)

    The ?Safety Bicycle? with a diamond frame and chain drive, getting the
    rider down lower, to greatly reduce aero drag as well as pitchover on braking.

    Pneumatic tires. Hard tired ?safeties? had terrible rolling resistance.

    The handlebar stem, invented by the heroic Major Taylor, to allow a much
    more aero riding position.

    Rim brakes, by whatever mechanism, as opposed to spoon brakes acting on
    a tire.

    Multiple gears, by whatever mechanism.

    The derailleur, making multiple gears easy to shift, customizable and
    light weight.

    Recumbent geometry in some situations. Recumbents seem to be slower
    uphill, but tend to be faster on level or downhills

    Fully enclosed streamlined aero shells tremendously increased speed, but
    at a great reduction in versatility and practicality.

    Beyond those, ISTM that most developments have been chasing ever
    diminishing returns.




    Frank, using average speeds of flat races where the riders are in high gear all of the time, the roads have been vastely degrading year to year and the distances have been being reduced is hardly a way to measure the effect of shifting components.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 26 16:21:22 2025
    On Sat Jan 25 10:28:38 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 1/25/2025 10:04 AM, cyclintom wrote:

    Frank, using average speeds of flat races where the riders are in high gear all of the time, the roads have been vastely degrading year to year and the distances have been being reduced is hardly a way to measure the effect of shifting components.

    Are there degraded roads? Yes of course. But generally the
    typical paving of the classic era with Bartali and Coppi

    https://www.todaysport.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/bartali-giusto.jpg

    Is now different:

    https://pezcyclingnews.com/travel/giro-2016-dolomites-preview/




    My point is that Frank is denying the advantages of STI by offering average speeds on courses where riders in the majority are in high gear aqnd spun out. Yes, times have come down but this is largely from shortening the courses and improving the tires.

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