"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
 Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
, he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
On 12/15/2022 9:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
 Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
, he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
plasma cutter .
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
 Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
, he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
On 12/15/2022 7:01 PM, Snag wrote:
  Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new
condition , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It
really is like new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It
also came with a 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add
some icing to the cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130
so my net cost was only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one
is 220V , so it's not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be
changing some power plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same
one . The 8ga power cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the
plasma cutter will become an extension cord that will work with the
new MIG , the TIG and the plasma cutter .
Nice. Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon. I know. I know. You might not have a large welding table fully tacked up ready
for a nonstop welding just now. When you do have a project like that
let us know how it goes.
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tngse3$3aecb$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/15/2022 9:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some
experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
I can't help you with that question , but I have seen some interesting
plans based on MOT's ... (microwave oven transformers)
Snag
---------------------
I've built quite a bit of high power industrial equipment, up to 1000A
and 1200VAC plus 300VDC EV batteries, and seen the damage a mistake or
poor connection can cause. Although a spot welder is simple it is considerably beyond what I'm willing to build working alone without engineering advice. I'm very careful with 120V and bought a megger to
check insulation.
I was out sick one day and came back to find a large black burn circle
on the floor, centered on where another piece of equipment had been and extending up onto the machine I had been working on, where I had been standing. The story was that some newly hired junior engineers had been trying to determine the proper phase sequencing to a power supply by
holding the 480VAC cables against the terminals, and one slipped and
touched and grenaded a large electrolytic capacitor.
One of them had previously tried to convince me that the base of a grounded-emitter transistor would draw only microamps from a connection
to a higher voltage source, a TTL output, because that was a simplifying assumption in the transistor model. I couldn't convince him that the
base was a forward biased diode that would short out the source.
On 12/15/2022 8:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
, he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become
an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some
experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
I do not know, but I sure would like to. There are some products I
could sell if I felt I could recommend a low cost machine to my
customers to assemble. There are tax reasons I would just want to sell
ready to weld parts and an assembly jig.
Nice. Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon.
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tni859$3dksj$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/16/2022 10:09 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Nice. Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon.
 At 230V input it's rated 30% duty cycle at 130 amps . IIRC the
Weldpak 100 was 20% at max output of 80 amps . The main thing is it will
weld heavier stuff than the 100 does . Rated at 3/16" with shield gas ,
5/16" with flux core .
 It's very seldom I need to do a marathon welding project these days .
But it's for sure this machine is more capable than the old one if I do . Snag
-------------------------
I have a PowerMate (Century) Tote MIG rated at 75A. After practicing on
the Miller at the Voc-Tech I took it in to learn to use it better.
Although I couldn't the instructor could weld 3/16" steel with it.
... ...
We used to trouble shoot induced noise from distribution lines with an
AM radio. Just drive around with the truck radio tuned to signal free frequency and listen for a change in the noise. When it spikes the
power pole nearby will almost always have a cracked insulator.
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some
experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
On 12/16/2022 10:09 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:With the 225 amp Lincoln AC/DC tombstone you have a somewhat enforced
On 12/15/2022 7:01 PM, Snag wrote:
Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new
condition , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It
really is like new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It
also came with a 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add
some icing to the cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130
so my net cost was only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one
is 220V , so it's not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be
changing some power plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same
one . The 8ga power cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the
plasma cutter will become an extension cord that will work with the
new MIG , the TIG and the plasma cutter .
Nice. Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon. I know. I
know. You might not have a large welding table fully tacked up ready
for a nonstop welding just now. When you do have a project like that
let us know how it goes.
At 230V input it's rated 30% duty cycle at 130 amps . IIRC the
Weldpak 100 was 20% at max output of 80 amps . The main thing is it will
weld heavier stuff than the 100 does . Rated at 3/16" with shield gas ,
5/16" with flux core .
It's very seldom I need to do a marathon welding project these days .
But it's for sure this machine is more capable than the old one if I do .
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:11:51 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/15/2022 8:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
 Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition >>> , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like
new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a
2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was
only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become >>> an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some
experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
I do not know, but I sure would like to. There are some products I
could sell if I felt I could recommend a low cost machine to my
customers to assemble. There are tax reasons I would just want to sell
ready to weld parts and an assembly jig.
Is this the welder in question:
.<https://www.harborfreight.com/120v-spot-welder-61205.html>
I have one of these, and it does work pretty well.
Made in Armenia, not China, at least when I bought it.
It has zero electronics - it is just a very large and heavy
transformer, so I often run it off a variac (not a thyristor light
dimmer) to control the welding power. This allows me to spot weld
0.002" stainless (321) steel foil strips together without burning a
hole.
Joe Gwinn
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
... ...
We used to trouble shoot induced noise from distribution lines with an
AM radio. Just drive around with the truck radio tuned to signal free
frequency and listen for a change in the noise. When it spikes the
power pole nearby will almost always have a cracked insulator.
The gems we get here, the pragmatism, the depth of "how to do it
knowledge" - love coming to this group...
Now you say it I can see it - but I would never have known that "trick
of the Trade".
On 12/16/2022 10:12 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:11:51 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/15/2022 8:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition >>>> , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like >>>> new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a >>>> 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the
cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was >>>> only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's
not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power
plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power
cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become >>>> an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me >>>> toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some >>>> experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V >>>> Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make. >>>>
I do not know, but I sure would like to. There are some products I
could sell if I felt I could recommend a low cost machine to my
customers to assemble. There are tax reasons I would just want to sell
ready to weld parts and an assembly jig.
Is this the welder in question:
.<https://www.harborfreight.com/120v-spot-welder-61205.html>
I have one of these, and it does work pretty well.
Made in Armenia, not China, at least when I bought it.
It has zero electronics - it is just a very large and heavy
transformer, so I often run it off a variac (not a thyristor light
dimmer) to control the welding power. This allows me to spot weld
0.002" stainless (321) steel foil strips together without burning a
hole.
Joe Gwinn
Do you use the 120V one you linked to or the 240V version?
I happened to have a variac on the shelf I had planned to use for a
plastic bending setup, but then I just used polycarbonate which I can at
bend room temperature in the sheet metal brake.
"Joe Gwinn" wrote in message >news:ec9pphl40dqqjg8d9uo1iuaq096rtvcc0m@4ax.com...
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some
experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
Is this the welder in question:
.<https://www.harborfreight.com/120v-spot-welder-61205.html>
I have one of these, and it does work pretty well.
Made in Armenia, not China, at least when I bought it.
It has zero electronics - it is just a very large and heavy
transformer, so I often run it off a variac (not a thyristor light
dimmer) to control the welding power. This allows me to spot weld
0.002" stainless (321) steel foil strips together without burning a
hole.
Joe Gwinn
-----------------------
Yes, the 240V model since I have 240V outlets in the shop and >garage/driveway, and a heavy extension cable. Do you reduce the voltage
below half, similar to running the 240V one on 120V for thin material?
0.002" 321 SS is heat treating wrap of which I have a partial roll. Is that >what you use it for?
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 10:59:23 -0600, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 12/16/2022 10:09 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:With the 225 amp Lincoln AC/DC tombstone you have a somewhat enforced
On 12/15/2022 7:01 PM, Snag wrote:
  Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new
condition , he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It
really is like new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It
also came with a 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add
some icing to the cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130
so my net cost was only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one >>>> is 220V , so it's not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be
changing some power plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same
one . The 8ga power cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the
plasma cutter will become an extension cord that will work with the
new MIG , the TIG and the plasma cutter .
Nice. Now lets hear about duty cycle on a welding marathon. I know. I >>> know. You might not have a large welding table fully tacked up ready
for a nonstop welding just now. When you do have a project like that
let us know how it goes.
At 230V input it's rated 30% duty cycle at 130 amps . IIRC the
Weldpak 100 was 20% at max output of 80 amps . The main thing is it will
weld heavier stuff than the 100 does . Rated at 3/16" with shield gas ,
5/16" with flux core .
It's very seldom I need to do a marathon welding project these days .
But it's for sure this machine is more capable than the old one if I do .
duty cycle - you gotta stop and reload the stinger every once in a
while. I went from an old Emmerson 175 to the Lincoln a couple
decades ago - actually I lent the Emerson to my younger brother and
did without for a few years until I got a deal I couldn't turn down on
the Lincoln (300 Canabux). I think my brother still has the old
Emerson.
I had a small job to do on a shipping container a few weeks ago - too
far from a 220 volt plug to use the Lincoln so I would have had to
haul the genny out as well - friend said he had a 110 volt stick
welder he could borrow from his neighbour and a 100 ft #12 externsion
cord. what a useless POS that thing was - even with 1/8" rod .I'm sure
I wasn't getting more than 50 amps and I managed to trip the 20 amp
breaker twice.. The work of loading the genny and the tombstone onto
a trailer would have been worth it for the aggravation
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:19:06 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/16/2022 10:12 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:11:51 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/15/2022 8:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
 Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
, he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like >>>>> new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a >>>>> 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the >>>>> cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was >>>>> only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's >>>>> not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power >>>>> plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power >>>>> cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become >>>>> an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the
plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me >>>>> toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some >>>>> experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V >>>>> Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make. >>>>>
I do not know, but I sure would like to. There are some products I
could sell if I felt I could recommend a low cost machine to my
customers to assemble. There are tax reasons I would just want to sell >>>> ready to weld parts and an assembly jig.
Is this the welder in question:
.<https://www.harborfreight.com/120v-spot-welder-61205.html>
I have one of these, and it does work pretty well.
Made in Armenia, not China, at least when I bought it.
It has zero electronics - it is just a very large and heavy
transformer, so I often run it off a variac (not a thyristor light
dimmer) to control the welding power. This allows me to spot weld
0.002" stainless (321) steel foil strips together without burning a
hole.
Joe Gwinn
Do you use the 120V one you linked to or the 240V version?
120 Vac.
I happened to have a variac on the shelf I had planned to use for a
plastic bending setup, but then I just used polycarbonate which I can at
bend room temperature in the sheet metal brake.
Variacs are pretty handy.
Thin foil welds pretty fast, so one just operates the switch fast,
without looking to see if the weld is done yet. An old photo printing
timer (for an enlarger) would also work.
Joe Gwinn
On 12/16/2022 3:48 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:19:06 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/16/2022 10:12 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:11:51 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/15/2022 8:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
, he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like >>>>>> new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a >>>>>> 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the >>>>>> cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was >>>>>> only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's >>>>>> not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power >>>>>> plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power >>>>>> cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become >>>>>> an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the >>>>>> plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me >>>>>> toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some >>>>>> experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V >>>>>> Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make. >>>>>>
I do not know, but I sure would like to. There are some products I
could sell if I felt I could recommend a low cost machine to my
customers to assemble. There are tax reasons I would just want to sell >>>>> ready to weld parts and an assembly jig.
Is this the welder in question:
.<https://www.harborfreight.com/120v-spot-welder-61205.html>
I have one of these, and it does work pretty well.
Made in Armenia, not China, at least when I bought it.
It has zero electronics - it is just a very large and heavy
transformer, so I often run it off a variac (not a thyristor light
dimmer) to control the welding power. This allows me to spot weld
0.002" stainless (321) steel foil strips together without burning a
hole.
Joe Gwinn
Do you use the 120V one you linked to or the 240V version?
120 Vac.
I happened to have a variac on the shelf I had planned to use for a
plastic bending setup, but then I just used polycarbonate which I can at >>> bend room temperature in the sheet metal brake.
Variacs are pretty handy.
Thin foil welds pretty fast, so one just operates the switch fast,
without looking to see if the weld is done yet. An old photo printing
timer (for an enlarger) would also work.
Joe Gwinn
I wonder how my dad would feel about me getting into his old dark room
stuff to "borrow" his enlarger and scavenge for parts. LOL.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me
toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V
Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make.
During dove season we could just look for feathers on the ground. LOL.
The HF website specs claim 1.5KVA, 1/8" steel for the 120V model and 2.5KVA, 3/16" for the 240V, though both weigh the same.
I have a 20A, 120V Variac and large zero-crossing solid state relays to control power and duration, and for brief pulses the line current may fall within the overload curve (Figure A) for my 9A, 240V Powerstat. https://datasheet.octopart.com/10C-Superior-Electric-datasheet-5868.pdf
The Ox-Gard I use on my TV antenna keeps its aluminum electrical contacts good for several years outdoors. I notice the signal loss when the contact resistance rises to several tenths of an Ohm and bring it down (from 50')
for cleaning, back to a few milliOhms. The original rivet joints are now all aluminum bolts so it comes completely apart.
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
During dove season we could just look for feathers on the ground. LOL.
Oh no!!! How things are.
I've put out a feeder with just "vegetarian" bird seed to try to help
the doves nesting on the side of my house, behind an old satellite
dish.
I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
seeing their travails really brings it home.
On 12/17/2022 3:41 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
During dove season we could just look for feathers on the ground. LOL.
Oh no!!! How things are.
I've put out a feeder with just "vegetarian" bird seed to try to help
the doves nesting on the side of my house, behind an old satellite
dish.
I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
seeing their travails really brings it home.
While we have our fair share of feral cats we also still have plenty of
wild predators to manage the cats and many climates that are hostile to
such a narrowly evolved predators as the domestic house cat. Our feral
cat population is not likely to wipe out any of our bird populations as
has happened in the UK. If you like the birds in the UK, buy a pellet
gun and hunt cats. Not kidding. (Close range head shots only at your power levels.)
As an aside I have wondered why your song bird population does not
replenish regularly from nearby lands. There are plenty within the
flying range of a determined sparrow, and the migratory birds could make
the passages like a Sunday stroll. Are your feral cats really that dominating that they keep the song bird levels so low?
Morning and Whitewing dove populations in North America are strong (with
a narrow hunting season). Now we have an invasive Eurasion dove
(collared dove) that really needs to be wiped out on the continent.
There is a 365 days season and no limit on those in my home state. At
first it looked like they were going to overwhelm the morning and white
wing populations. They are a larger dove, but the numbers seem to have stabilized. Still North American Wildlife managers are mixed with
attitudes from eradication to heavy management. I have no idea if the Eurasion dove has impacted the smaller protected dove species like Inca
dove and ground dove.
I used to hunt the Eurasion dove with a pellet gun much more powerful
than any you are allowed to own in the UK without a gun permit, but I
just don't have the time these days.  The breasts are quite tasty when roasted in a jalapeno shell with a thin layer of cream cheese all
wrapped in a strip of bacon. Sure a shot gun works, but pellets are so
much cheaper than shotgun shells.
I know. I've exposed myself as one of those evil hunters. Now you
won't like me any more. LOL. Like most people who hunt I try to stay
in tune with the current management reasons for why things are regulated
the way they are. I've never been a kill crazed blood luster, and
neither is any other hunter I know. I actually started hunting
seriously to supplement my grocery budget when I was saving for college.
 Everyday after work I would walk down the hill into the desert in
search of cotton tails.
If it helps I do have a cat feeder... er I mean bird feeder... out
front of the house.
"Richard Smith"Â wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...
I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
seeing their travails really brings it home.
-------------------------
Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was a barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have electricity or running water until he installed them in the 1970's. I've carried a
kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water pump on a freezing morning. My mother told me how she hated having to pick the worst
looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the supply would last
until the next crop. Now people have forgotten what the advances gave us
and oppose them, for instance vaccines, electricity, fertilizer.
On 12/16/2022 3:48 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:19:06 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/16/2022 10:12 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 09:11:51 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 12/15/2022 8:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag" wrote in message news:tngjgu$3715a$1@dont-email.me...
Well , new to me . Found a Lincoln Weldpak 175 in like-new condition
, he was asking $375 I offered $275 and he accepted . It really is like >>>>>> new , contactor tip is clean and so is the nozzle . It also came with a >>>>>> 2lb roll of flux core and a regulator . And to add some icing to the >>>>>> cake , I sold my Weldpak 100 to a neighbor for $130 so my net cost was >>>>>> only 145 bucks . The only downside is that this one is 220V , so it's >>>>>> not as portable as the 110V Weldpak 100 . I'll be changing some power >>>>>> plugs out so all the 220 stuff will use the same one . The 8ga power >>>>>> cord (from the panel to a female plug) for the plasma cutter will become >>>>>> an extension cord that will work with the new MIG , the TIG and the >>>>>> plasma cutter .
Snag
-----------------
Good catch!
Speaking of new welders, a couple of impending projects are pushing me >>>>>> toward buying a spot welder. I've used an industrial one and have some >>>>>> experience with adjusting the settings. What's the opinion of the 240V >>>>>> Harbor Freight one? It lacks a timer but they aren't that hard to make. >>>>>>
I do not know, but I sure would like to. There are some products I
could sell if I felt I could recommend a low cost machine to my
customers to assemble. There are tax reasons I would just want to sell >>>>> ready to weld parts and an assembly jig.
Is this the welder in question:
.<https://www.harborfreight.com/120v-spot-welder-61205.html>
I have one of these, and it does work pretty well.
Made in Armenia, not China, at least when I bought it.
It has zero electronics - it is just a very large and heavy
transformer, so I often run it off a variac (not a thyristor light
dimmer) to control the welding power. This allows me to spot weld
0.002" stainless (321) steel foil strips together without burning a
hole.
Joe Gwinn
Do you use the 120V one you linked to or the 240V version?
120 Vac.
I happened to have a variac on the shelf I had planned to use for a
plastic bending setup, but then I just used polycarbonate which I can at >>> bend room temperature in the sheet metal brake.
Variacs are pretty handy.
Thin foil welds pretty fast, so one just operates the switch fast,
without looking to see if the weld is done yet. An old photo printing
timer (for an enlarger) would also work.
Joe Gwinn
I wonder how my dad would feel about me getting into his old dark room
stuff to "borrow" his enlarger and scavenge for parts. LOL.
"Richard Smith" wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...
I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
seeing their travails really brings it home.
-------------------------
Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was a barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have electricity or running water until he installed them in the 1970's. I've carried a
kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water pump on a freezing morning. My mother told me how she hated having to pick the worst
looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the supply would last
until the next crop. Now people have forgotten what the advances gave us
and oppose them, for instance vaccines, electricity, fertilizer.
Bob - I have been to Texas and am able to join in in their favourite relaxational activity. The only think I took note of was the cooking and serving suggestion with jalapeno shells and a strip of bacon.
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tnkshc$3mp0k$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/17/2022 8:11 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Richard Smith"Â wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...
I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
seeing their travails really brings it home.
-------------------------
Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was a
barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have electricity or
running water until he installed them in the 1970's. I've carried a
kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water pump on a freezing
morning. My mother told me how she hated having to pick the worst
looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the supply would last
until the next crop. Now people have forgotten what the advances gave
us and oppose them, for instance vaccines, electricity, fertilizer.
 My wife remembers living without indoor plumbing and electricity .
She lived in southwestern Kentucky as a small child . I agree with your
last sentence except for vaccines . Only because all vaccines are not
created equal , and some of these they're pushing now IMO cause more
harm than good .
Snag
----------------------
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html
Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
used to be your delightful companion before.
That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
density of presence of domestic cats.
I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
do have a lot of dogs and cats.
They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
wouldn't wake up.
On 12/17/2022 1:11 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tnkshc$3mp0k$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/17/2022 8:11 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Richard Smith"Â wrote in message news:ly4jtul3c9.fsf@void.com...
I love to see them, but as ever it could be shown that life is hard,
seeing their travails really brings it home.
-------------------------
Subsistence was hard for humans until quite recently, my father was
a barefoot Appalachian farm boy whose parents didn't have
electricity or running water until he installed them in the 1970's.
I've carried a kettle of hot water out to thaw and prime the water
pump on a freezing morning. My mother told me how she hated having
to pick the worst looking potatoes out of the barrel to eat, so the
supply would last until the next crop. Now people have forgotten
what the advances gave us and oppose them, for instance vaccines,
electricity, fertilizer.
  My wife remembers living without indoor plumbing and electricity .
She lived in southwestern Kentucky as a small child . I agree with
your last sentence except for vaccines . Only because all vaccines
are not created equal , and some of these they're pushing now IMO
cause more harm than good .
Snag
----------------------
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html
hit a paywall and I ain't payin'
Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
used to be your delightful companion before.
That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
density of presence of domestic cats.
I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
do have a lot of dogs and cats.
They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
wouldn't wake up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tnl683$3nhii$1@dont-email.me...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html
hit a paywall and I ain't payin'
----------------------
RFK strongly opposes vaccines. I don't know enough about medicine to
form a valid scientific opinion, I defer to a relative who was a senior researcher at CDC.
The politics of vaccine distrust are less one-sided than the media will admit: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/what-do-lefty-anti-vaxxers-do-now/620092/
On 12/17/2022 4:59 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:tnl683$3nhii$1@dont-email.me...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/26/us/robert-kennedy-covid-vaccine.html
hit a paywall and I ain't payin'
----------------------
RFK strongly opposes vaccines. I don't know enough about medicine to
form a valid scientific opinion, I defer to a relative who was a
senior researcher at CDC.
The politics of vaccine distrust are less one-sided than the media
will admit:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/what-do-lefty-anti-vaxxers-do-now/620092/
 As far as the covid vaccine , I've seen too much evidence of people
dying from stuff that was almost nonexistent in the recent past . Other vaccines , well I've seen evidence of problems such as autism that were
a lot less prevalent before many of them were in common usage . Not any "scientific evidence" , just empirical evidence of a possible causal link .
Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
used to be your delightful companion before.
That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
density of presence of domestic cats.
I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
do have a lot of dogs and cats.
They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
wouldn't wake up.
On 12/17/2022 1:38 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
used to be your delightful companion before.
That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
density of presence of domestic cats.
I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
do have a lot of dogs and cats.
They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
wouldn't wake up.
I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
hearsay to me. I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
predator due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger predators. Â That it was this not naturally checked population that had nearly eradicated song birds in the UK.
"Bob La Londe"Â wrote in message news:tnna8l$164d$1@gioia.aioe.org...
I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
hearsay to me. I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant predator
due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger predators.
 That it was this not naturally checked population that had nearly eradicated song birds in the UK.
--------------------
I was curious. http://www.catbehaviourist.com/blog/study-certified-cat-behaviourist-anita-kelsey/
On 18/12/2022 15:05, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 12/17/2022 1:38 PM, Richard Smith wrote:I think this varies with location, I'm not aware of a feral cat
Bob - you asked about cats re. bird population.
As far as I know the problem is domestic cats.
You have a cat - you will not have birds in your garden, where they
used to be your delightful companion before.
That is compounded here because of the density of population, so
density of presence of domestic cats.
I worked in Turkey, where they do not (?) have domestic pets but do
do have a lot of dogs and cats.
They consider that the cities would be / would have been awash with
rats and vermin without the dogs and cats.
To this day they provide food for the dogs and cats. There is a
health system for them. Dogs which have been "looked at" are ringed.
The cats are used to humans and will leave their kittens with human
hosts - eg. they will leave them in a box in an office workplace.
Someone showed me he could pick up a sleeping kitten's paw and it
wouldn't wake up.
I could be mistaken of course, and since I don't live there its all
hearsay to me. I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
predator due to the eradication historically of most if not all larger
predators. Â That it was this not naturally checked population that had
nearly eradicated song birds in the UK.
population here in the south west of the UK but a friend lives near Huntingdon and there are quite a lot of feral cats around there which is apparently largely attributed to US service personnel in the area
abandoning their cats when they go home. Near me many years ago animal protestors broke into a local mink farm and let them free and that did decimate the local bird and small animal population for a while.
... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
predator ...
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
predator ...
No as I know of.
The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
in Scotland, apparently.
David - I am far down the West Country now. Anywhere near?
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
predator ...
No as I know of.
The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
in Scotland, apparently.
"Bob La Londe"Â wrote in message news:tnnvo0$1ti0$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/18/2022 1:40 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
predator ...
No as I know of.
The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
in Scotland, apparently.
Wow. I am very misinformed. I'd been lead to believe the oldest known direct ancestors of the modern domestic cat breeds were from Egypt.
That seems to make sense to me since a native African Wildcat looks a
lot like a domestic grey tabby.
Bob La Londe
--------------------------
Apparently it's hard to be sure, because modern wild populations have interbred with domestic cats. Egypt has the advantage of very ancient
records preserved on stone, while Scotland's written history doesn't go
back far at all, for instance we don't know what the Picts (Latin for Painted, with woad and tattoos) called themselves, or what happened to
them.
Pictish raiding caused the Britons to call on the Saxons of Germany for military aid after Rome declined, and the Saxons soon took over much of
the island. King Arthur may have opposed them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortigern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons
On 12/18/2022 5:32 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe"Â wrote in message news:tnnvo0$1ti0$1@dont-email.me...
On 12/18/2022 1:40 PM, Richard Smith wrote:
Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:
... I had been lead to believe that the UK had a feral or
semi feral domestic cat breed population that was the dominant
predator ...
No as I know of.
The wild ancestor of the domestic cat still exists in far-out wilds
in Scotland, apparently.
Wow. I am very misinformed. I'd been lead to believe the oldest known
direct ancestors of the modern domestic cat breeds were from Egypt.
That seems to make sense to me since a native African Wildcat looks a
lot like a domestic grey tabby.
Bob La Londe
--------------------------
Apparently it's hard to be sure, because modern wild populations have
interbred with domestic cats. Egypt has the advantage of very ancient
records preserved on stone, while Scotland's written history doesn't go
back far at all, for instance we don't know what the Picts (Latin for
Painted, with woad and tattoos) called themselves, or what happened to
them.
Pictish raiding caused the Britons to call on the Saxons of Germany for
military aid after Rome declined, and the Saxons soon took over much of
the island. King Arthur may have opposed them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortigern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons
I always liked the theory that Arthur was an expatriated Roman.
Probably utter hogwash, but amusing nonetheless.
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