• The Gash

    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 10:52:06 2023
    I've got my Dremel set up as a light duty toolpost grinder (had the
    setup for years) with a heavy duty cutoff wheel . I think I need a lot
    of practice in positioning the tool/workpiece - maybe an index wheel* -
    but I think this is going to work just fine . The smaller end mills are
    the most difficult ... guess which ones I fuck up the most often ?
    I've got a ring light magnifying glass down on the reloading bench
    that might just get relocated . I think my eyes are getting old faster
    than the rest of me .
    *Now I've got my mind churning ideas for a standalone indexing
    fixture for this , probably using another 5C collet setup . Using collet
    blocks will cut down on the amount of machining I'll need to do ... got
    a 4 and a 6 sided .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Apr 29 13:58:10 2023
    On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:52:06 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've got a ring light magnifying glass down on the reloading bench
    that might just get relocated . I think my eyes are getting old faster
    than the rest of me .

    In another hobby of mine guys were recommending a clip-on Macro Lens
    for your smartphone. An added advantage going that route is being
    able to record/save an image and then look at it in more detail later
    on.

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=macro+phone+lens

    Also have a couple magnifying visors I sometimes use while working
    on circuit boards and the likes. Problem is working distance with
    strong magnification which is very little. Have another lens setup that
    just clips to one side of my glasses. A lot of the time I just use a
    loupe to inspect, make some mods, inspect, make mods...

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=magnifying+visor

    I've always had crappy eyes and needed aids to help...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Sat Apr 29 13:51:56 2023
    On 4/29/2023 12:58 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:52:06 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've got a ring light magnifying glass down on the reloading bench
    that might just get relocated . I think my eyes are getting old faster
    than the rest of me .

    In another hobby of mine guys were recommending a clip-on Macro Lens
    for your smartphone. An added advantage going that route is being
    able to record/save an image and then look at it in more detail later
    on.

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=macro+phone+lens


    That might work if we used a cellphone a lot ... We have a nice smart
    phone , it resides in the door pocket of the car . Where we live there
    is no cell reception - or TV , or FM radio . Well , I do get about 3 FM stations . Even on the ride to town reception is spotty . The only times
    we turn the phone on is emergencies and when we go on a trip (farther
    than just to town ) .


    Also have a couple magnifying visors I sometimes use while working
    on circuit boards and the likes. Problem is working distance with
    strong magnification which is very little. Have another lens setup that
    just clips to one side of my glasses. A lot of the time I just use a
    loupe to inspect, make some mods, inspect, make mods...

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=magnifying+visor

    I've always had crappy eyes and needed aids to help...


    I've had glasses for nearsightedness since I was a teen . The problem
    here is as much lighting as it is magnification . I used to have a
    goose-neck lamp over the lathe , it broke and I never replaced it . I
    have a flashlight that would help - if I had 3 hands .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Sat Apr 29 11:53:12 2023
    On 4/29/2023 10:58 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:52:06 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've got a ring light magnifying glass down on the reloading bench
    that might just get relocated . I think my eyes are getting old faster
    than the rest of me .

    In another hobby of mine guys were recommending a clip-on Macro Lens
    for your smartphone. An added advantage going that route is being
    able to record/save an image and then look at it in more detail later
    on.

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=macro+phone+lens

    Also have a couple magnifying visors I sometimes use while working
    on circuit boards and the likes. Problem is working distance with
    strong magnification which is very little. Have another lens setup that
    just clips to one side of my glasses. A lot of the time I just use a
    loupe to inspect, make some mods, inspect, make mods...

    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=magnifying+visor

    I've always had crappy eyes and needed aids to help...


    Heck, just sharpening a drill bit I have a 3X magnifier lamp I swing
    over the bench grinder so I can really see what is happening. Have
    another one in my front office on that bench. I often use a small clamp
    on bench vise and a rotary hand piece there in conjunction with it to
    sharpen, grind, and cut stuff. More than once I've used an abrasive
    disc to shorten screws so I could get a finished job out the door. Its
    easy when I can clamp the screw in a vise and SEE it.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Apr 29 15:10:34 2023
    On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 13:51:56 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've had glasses for nearsightedness since I was a teen . The problem
    here is as much lighting as it is magnification . I used to have a
    goose-neck lamp over the lathe , it broke and I never replaced it . I
    have a flashlight that would help - if I had 3 hands .

    Really nearsighted, had glasses since third grade. Amazing how much
    that helped in school...

    I splurged on a Fenix E12 a few years ago. BEST flashlight I've ever
    had. Gold plated contacts, real on/off switch, defaults to low at power
    up and only one AA battery. Almost always wear a visor or cap and these
    can clip on the visor. The clip that comes with them is too tight for
    most visors but can be spread open a tad. Maybe they've fixed that
    issue nowadays...

    https://www.amazon.com/Fenix-Compact-Flashlight-LumenTac-Organizer/dp/B08HDL6NWF/

    I've bought some from Ebay sellers for ~$25 to give as gifts...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 15:14:08 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u2jef4$30hmm$1@dont-email.me...
    I've got my Dremel set up as a light duty toolpost grinder (had the
    setup for years) with a heavy duty cutoff wheel . I think I need a lot
    of practice in positioning the tool/workpiece - maybe an index wheel* -
    but I think this is going to work just fine . The smaller end mills are
    the most difficult ... guess which ones I fuck up the most often ?
    I've got a ring light magnifying glass down on the reloading bench
    that might just get relocated . I think my eyes are getting old faster
    than the rest of me .
    *Now I've got my mind churning ideas for a standalone indexing
    fixture for this , probably using another 5C collet setup . Using collet
    blocks will cut down on the amount of machining I'll need to do ... got
    a 4 and a 6 sided .
    Snag

    -----------------------

    I have a pair of the $50 import versions of this: https://www.aaabrasives.com/kalamazoo-5c-index-fixture
    At least that's what I paid in the stores where I found them. Googling for images shows only the Kalamazoo and Hardinge versions.

    I used a 1" rod in a collet to level the base of one on its side in the
    milling vise and machined the rough cast sides parallel so it can be clamped
    in the vise, level or on angle blocks. As-is it has 24 spring-loaded stops
    but it could be set and clamped by eye at any angular rotation.

    The other one is upright on an angle plate. The collet nut is a ring with spanner holes on the OD and doesn't need much clearance to tighten it. Both
    can take the 3, 4 or 6 jaw chucks on 5C mounts for my lathe.

    Another possibility is a spin index: https://www.amazon.com/TTC-5C-Spin-Index-Fixture/dp/B006UHFO62

    If you cut gears or splines there's this: https://www.precisionmatthews.com/shop/bs0dividinghead/
    My Clausing mill also uses B&S-7 collets. They almost interchange with Morse #2.
    https://www.amazon.com/HHIP-Brown-Sharpe-Collet-Various/dp/B01IATAYLC

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Apr 29 14:46:06 2023
    On 4/29/2023 2:14 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:u2jef4$30hmm$1@dont-email.me...
      I've got my Dremel set up as a light duty toolpost grinder (had the
    setup for years) with a heavy duty cutoff wheel . I think I need a lot
    of practice in positioning the tool/workpiece - maybe an index wheel* -
    but I think this is going to work just fine . The smaller end mills are
    the most difficult ... guess which ones I fuck up the most often ?
      I've got a ring light magnifying glass down on the reloading bench
    that might just get relocated . I think my eyes are getting old faster
    than the rest of me .
      *Now I've got my mind churning ideas for a standalone indexing
    fixture for this , probably using another 5C collet setup . Using collet blocks will cut down on the amount of machining I'll need to do ... got
    a 4 and a 6 sided .
    Snag

    -----------------------

    I have a pair of the $50 import versions of this: https://www.aaabrasives.com/kalamazoo-5c-index-fixture
    At least that's what I paid in the stores where I found them. Googling
    for images shows only the Kalamazoo and Hardinge versions.

    I used a 1" rod in a collet to level the base of one on its side in the milling vise and machined the rough cast sides parallel so it can be
    clamped in the vise, level or on angle blocks. As-is it has 24
    spring-loaded stops but it could be set and clamped by eye at any
    angular rotation.

    The other one is upright on an angle plate. The collet nut is a ring
    with spanner holes on the OD and doesn't need much clearance to tighten
    it. Both can take the 3, 4 or 6 jaw chucks on 5C mounts for my lathe.

    Another possibility is a spin index: https://www.amazon.com/TTC-5C-Spin-Index-Fixture/dp/B006UHFO62

    If you cut gears or splines there's this: https://www.precisionmatthews.com/shop/bs0dividinghead/
    My Clausing mill also uses B&S-7 collets. They almost interchange with
    Morse #2. https://www.amazon.com/HHIP-Brown-Sharpe-Collet-Various/dp/B01IATAYLC


    I'm thinking something a lot more simple than most of those .
    Probably something with a clamp ring for the Dremel on a pivoting arm ,
    and a flat surface to set the collet blocks on . It'll need a way to
    clamp and locate the blocks laterally .
    For now though the ring light/magnifier is coming from the loading
    bench to the shop . It's not like I'm going to be sharpening end mills
    every day ...
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Apr 29 13:32:20 2023
    On 4/29/2023 1:25 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:u2js5r$32t04$1@dont-email.me...

      I'm thinking something a lot more simple than most of those .
    Probably something with a clamp ring for the Dremel on a pivoting arm ,
    and a flat surface to set the collet blocks on . It'll need a way to
    clamp and locate the blocks laterally .
      For now though the ring light/magnifier is coming from the loading
    bench to the shop . It's not like I'm going to be sharpening end mills
    every day ...
    Snag

    ----------------------

    I don't have better answers because if I don't need 0.001" accuracy I
    just Dremel grind by hand, with a Magnivisor and my wrists supported on
    the bench vise or such. I made adapters to mount my Dremels on lathe
    tool posts which also hold them in the vise.

    Even a 4-1/2" angle grinder can make reasonably precise cuts on lathe
    bits etc held in the vise. That's how I shape internal threading bits
    from blanks. It's not much different from smoothing a MIG weld bead on a fender repair, or cleaning up a forged blade.


    Its actually pretty hard to beat an angle grinder for roughing lathe
    tools. I keep one with a hard cut blade in it all the time. Even if I
    need something a little more accurate it saves gobs of time to rough out
    the waste first.

    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 16:25:12 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u2js5r$32t04$1@dont-email.me...

    I'm thinking something a lot more simple than most of those .
    Probably something with a clamp ring for the Dremel on a pivoting arm ,
    and a flat surface to set the collet blocks on . It'll need a way to
    clamp and locate the blocks laterally .
    For now though the ring light/magnifier is coming from the loading
    bench to the shop . It's not like I'm going to be sharpening end mills
    every day ...
    Snag

    ----------------------

    I don't have better answers because if I don't need 0.001" accuracy I just Dremel grind by hand, with a Magnivisor and my wrists supported on the bench vise or such. I made adapters to mount my Dremels on lathe tool posts which also hold them in the vise.

    Even a 4-1/2" angle grinder can make reasonably precise cuts on lathe bits
    etc held in the vise. That's how I shape internal threading bits from
    blanks. It's not much different from smoothing a MIG weld bead on a fender repair, or cleaning up a forged blade.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 30 07:26:55 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u2js5r$32t04$1@dont-email.me...

    I'm thinking something a lot more simple than most of those .
    Probably something with a clamp ring for the Dremel on a pivoting arm ,
    and a flat surface to set the collet blocks on . It'll need a way to
    clamp and locate the blocks laterally .
    For now though the ring light/magnifier is coming from the loading
    bench to the shop . It's not like I'm going to be sharpening end mills
    every day ...
    Snag
    --------------------

    My simplest angle fixture is a Suburban (copy?) angle plate salvaged from a second-hand machining fixture with a work holding block bolted to it.
    Normally the block is a height and tilt adjustable dead center for my
    various indexers, or a 5C collet block could be strapped on. A cheaper
    slotted cast iron angle plate should work as long as it is tall enough.

    https://www.freertool.com/products/precision-ground-angle-plate-ap446s2-6-x-4-x-4-x-1

    Mine was stained and somewhat rusted from the coolant but scattered rust
    pits don't make it less precise as long as some original surface survives between them. It cleaned up nicely with fine steel wool and kerosene.

    The once thriving industrial second-hand market in New England is rapidly drying up as manufacturing closes. The ham radio (+ industrial surplus) flea market I attended this weekend was lightly attended compared to earlier
    years, though I found most of what I wanted.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Apr 30 08:56:40 2023
    On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 07:26:55 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    The once thriving industrial second-hand market in New England is rapidly >drying up as manufacturing closes. The ham radio (+ industrial surplus) flea >market I attended this weekend was lightly attended compared to earlier >years, though I found most of what I wanted.

    Was searching for some Ebay info and came across this yesterday in the
    Sellers Community. A lot of responses blamed the economy/inflation. Good
    time for buyers who still have money...

    ===
    Been on ebay for 18 yrs. top rated seller with 100% approval ratings.
    Over the course of that time, I've grown and added many new product
    lines & put thousands of dollars in new items online here this year
    alone.

    This year it seems is the year that ebay has died, for in spite of
    discounts, and sales, I am now lucky if I get 100 dollars in sales in a
    week! (used to be 3-5x that much) I have 1400+ current active
    listings on ebay and not a single sale in 2 days now? WTH is going on
    here? I do price searches for similar items. Our prices are
    competitive, nearly always lower than others. I share several product
    posts daily on facebook, instagram ect. (free advertising) Still
    nothing. Some say its the new algorithms, but how do we counter or
    fix that if this is the problem? (you'd THINK ebay would be more on
    top of this issue) I'm not going to be able to hang on here if things
    don't perk up. 😢 Open to suggestions.

    https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Where-are-the-customers-WHY-aren-t-we-getting-any-sales-lately/td-p/33713553/jump-to/first-unread-message
    ===
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    Grand Rapids MI

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