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    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 27 10:16:36 2023
    I want to replace two entry lock sets on my shop to match the interior
    doors, but the steel doors have a much shorter backset from the jamb
    than the "normal" lockset.

    What do I look for? Where do I look?

    P.S. One of the two entry locks is worn out in more ways than one.


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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat May 27 14:20:06 2023
    On Sat, 27 May 2023 10:16:36 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    I want to replace two entry lock sets on my shop to match the interior
    doors, but the steel doors have a much shorter backset from the jamb
    than the "normal" lockset.

    What do I look for? Where do I look?

    P.S. One of the two entry locks is worn out in more ways than one.

    That's like telling me you have a Chevy and you think it needs another
    motor but the tranny needs to match... ;-)

    Another hobby of mine is Locksport. If your doors have something named
    on them you can probably rebuild whats there. Schlage, Corbin, Sargent, Kwikset??? Deadbolt, Mortise, Knob, Lever...

    The Schuham Builders Catalog in a link here may give you some info to
    peruse and figure things out:

    https://schuham.com/documents

    If your interior doors are Schlage SC1 Keyed or Kwikset KW1 you might be
    able to use their Smartkey products which you can rekey yourself using
    the existing interior keys. Not the best locks but easy to rekey and
    not so expensive...

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    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Sat May 27 12:08:23 2023
    On 5/27/2023 11:20 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Sat, 27 May 2023 10:16:36 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    I want to replace two entry lock sets on my shop to match the interior
    doors, but the steel doors have a much shorter backset from the jamb
    than the "normal" lockset.

    What do I look for? Where do I look?

    P.S. One of the two entry locks is worn out in more ways than one.

    That's like telling me you have a Chevy and you think it needs another
    motor but the tranny needs to match... ;-)

    No actually its not. I don't care what trany it is exactly for this
    query. I already have the engine. I need a tranny to match, and I need
    to know exactly how to shop for the tranny and if I am calling it by the
    right name and nomenclature to look for it. I'm not looking for
    somebody to provide the SKU at O'Reilly Autoparts for the exact
    transmission.

    I tortured your simile with a metaphor. Like that!


    Another hobby of mine is Locksport. If your doors have something named
    on them you can probably rebuild whats there. Schlage, Corbin, Sargent, Kwikset??? Deadbolt, Mortise, Knob, Lever...

    I know exactly what lockset is installed in all the interior doors, and
    I want to install that exact same lockset in the exterior doors. What
    the locksets are in the exterior doors are is irrelevant as they will be
    thrown away. If necessary for the sake of this conversation consider
    them not only already thrown away, but run under an extra heavy highway
    roller four or five times first. Again nothing about them is relevant.
    Only the backset of the opening to the edge of the door is relevant,
    and knowing how to find the bolt that is the right length for the entry locksets that will replace them.


    The Schuham Builders Catalog in a link here may give you some info to
    peruse and figure things out:

    https://schuham.com/documents

    That is a good possible lead. Thank you.


    If your interior doors are Schlage SC1 Keyed or Kwikset KW1 you might be able to use their Smartkey products which you can rekey yourself using
    the existing interior keys. Not the best locks but easy to rekey and
    not so expensive...

    I have the locksets and lock cylinders. I just need shorter "bolts" for
    them.

    I actually spent a year or two in the electronic security business (as
    the license holder), but I never provided locksmith services except as
    minor supplemental work. Usually only in relation to access control
    which may or may not also exist on this premise in conjunction with
    alarm and video which also may or may not exist.

    I feel silly asking really. I know its called a bolt, but most basic
    searches bring up deadbolts. Sigh! I no longer have the wholesale
    sources I used to have where I would be asking a vendor who knows
    exactly what I am looking for. Its been a few years.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 27 12:13:03 2023
    On 5/27/2023 12:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

    P.S. On an unrelated topic. Right now I am using a 3D model to create
    2D geometry to use 2.5D and 3D methods to create a 3D-ish part.


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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat May 27 15:45:41 2023
    On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:13:03 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    On 5/27/2023 12:08 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

    P.S. On an unrelated topic. Right now I am using a 3D model to create
    2D geometry to use 2.5D and 3D methods to create a 3D-ish part.



    https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=door+latch+replacement

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 27 16:37:38 2023
    On Sat, 27 May 2023 10:16:36 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    I want to replace two entry lock sets on my shop to match the interior
    doors, but the steel doors have a much shorter backset from the jamb
    than the "normal" lockset.

    What do I look for? Where do I look?

    P.S. One of the two entry locks is worn out in more ways than one.


    A photo or two would serve to focus people's efforts.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 27 18:08:11 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4tdtl$g24u$3@dont-email.me...

    I want to replace two entry lock sets on my shop to match the interior
    doors, but the steel doors have a much shorter backset from the jamb
    than the "normal" lockset.

    ----------------------

    Sorry, I can't help with this one. The distance from the door edge to the eyeballed center of the handle is 2-1/2" for my original interior doors, my replacement residential steel entry doors, and my basement garage's
    industrial fire door. Google shows other sizes.

    The industrial door was free, a reject because the glass is very slightly larger than the Massachusetts requirement.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat May 27 21:03:34 2023
    On 5/27/2023 5:08 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u4tdtl$g24u$3@dont-email.me...

    I want to replace two entry lock sets on my shop to match the interior
    doors, but the steel doors have a much shorter backset from the jamb
    than the "normal" lockset.

    ----------------------

    Sorry, I can't help with this one. The distance from the door edge to
    the eyeballed center of the handle is 2-1/2" for my original interior
    doors, my replacement residential steel entry doors, and my basement
    garage's industrial fire door. Google shows other sizes.

    The industrial door was free, a reject because the glass is very
    slightly larger than the Massachusetts requirement.


    I've seen both 2 3/4" backset and 2 3/8" , but never 2 1/2 ... I've
    also seen locksets that have a bolt that can be adjusted to either
    "standard" backset .
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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 27 21:45:56 2023
    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:u4tv0d$ia08$1@dont-email.me...

    Sorry, I can't help with this one. The distance from the door edge to the eyeballed center of the handle is 2-1/2" for my original interior doors, my replacement residential steel entry doors, and my basement garage's
    industrial fire door. Google shows other sizes.

    -------------------

    My neighbor, a retired carpenter, told me that 2-1/2" was the standard for
    the commercial buildings he worked on.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun May 28 07:05:00 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u4ucpl$nhvp$1@dont-email.me...

    On 5/27/2023 5:08 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    The distance from the door edge to the eyeballed center of the handle is 2-1/2" for my original interior doors, my replacement residential steel
    entry doors, and my basement garage's industrial fire door. Google shows other sizes.

    I've seen both 2 3/4" backset and 2 3/8" , but never 2 1/2 ... I've
    also seen locksets that have a bolt that can be adjusted to either
    "standard" backset .
    Snag

    -----------------

    Google brought up sites that agree with you, so I looked further and asked
    my very experienced neighbor. Searching for 2-1/2" backset brought up many results, as did 2" and 1-1/2".

    He told me about a development he worked on where they installed heavy fire doors in walls with metal studs. He was called back several times to
    readjust the doors until he convinced then to install stiffer wood stud
    frames. When I replaced the cheap original exterior doors here I reframed
    them with planed-to-fit oak from my sawmill. I'm still looking for trim
    screws with heads not much larger than panel nails.

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