• Re: Take a _______ And Go ________ Some ________!

    From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Mon Jun 12 08:58:09 2023
    On 6/12/2023 8:21 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds, but
    I can only sing the same song so many times.  Lets hear what you did today.  (The last week or to is fine.)


    Well , so far today I've pulled weeds in the garden , loaded the
    dishwasher , put a load of towels in the washing machine , and walked
    the dog ~3/4 of a mile . In the last few days I've moved a bunch of food/furniture/stuff to get at the last corner of the kitchen area to
    get sheetrock . Added 7 duplex outlets on 2 circuits , added a new
    window (opening was originally going to be a door , she objected) and
    installed and mudded/taped the sheetrock .
    I've also done a little shop work , I'm fabricating 2 pairs of clamp
    bands 12 1/2 inches in diameter for a guy . These are 1.250 wide by
    .0625 304 stainless with 1.125 square X 1.375 long cold rolled blocks
    for the screw . This guy makes banjos , these are for clamping his stock
    around the form to make the bodies . Basically a large "hose clamp" .
    The draw bolts are O1 drill rod .500 diameter , with a thrust bearing
    under the bolt head to minimize friction .
    Also made it to my annual VA physical , took the opportunity while in Mountain Home to pick up some smokeless powder (WW 748) and another
    thousand LR primers .
    The wife is out of town until late this week , she's on an Alaska
    cruise with our daughter and her family . I'd never get this much done
    if she was home ...

    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 12 06:21:47 2023
    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds, but
    I can only sing the same song so many times. Lets hear what you did
    today. (The last week or to is fine.)


    --
    Bob La Londe
    Professional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
    real machinist

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 12 12:31:55 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u6765e$34emj$1@dont-email.me...

    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds, but
    I can only sing the same song so many times. Lets hear what you did
    today. (The last week or to is fine.)

    ------------------------
    I haven't machined anything since an extension hose adapter for the HF
    battery fuel pump, plus one for my neighbor. The ID of the outlet is
    nominally 1/2" but a custom oversize holds better. Otherwise I've been splitting firewood.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Mon Jun 12 16:25:37 2023
    On 6/12/2023 11:31 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u6765e$34emj$1@dont-email.me...

    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds, but
    I can only sing the same song so many times.  Lets hear what you did today.  (The last week or to is fine.)

    ------------------------
    I haven't machined anything since an extension hose adapter for the HF battery fuel pump, plus one for my neighbor. The ID of the outlet is nominally 1/2" but a custom oversize holds better. Otherwise I've been splitting firewood.



    Thank (deity of your choice) for standing dead trees . I am woefully
    behind on gettin' in the firewood for next winter . Seems like lately
    everybody and her brother has a "little project" for me - in addition to
    my own projects . I can burn green wood but it's almost not worth the
    effort . Got a few standing dead and some
    down-but-not-touching-the-ground trees spotted out for first round of harvesting .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 13 08:50:16 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u682ge$37ujc$1@dont-email.me...

    Thank (deity of your choice) for standing dead trees . I am woefully
    behind on gettin' in the firewood for next winter . Seems like lately
    everybody and her brother has a "little project" for me - in addition to
    my own projects . I can burn green wood but it's almost not worth the
    effort . Got a few standing dead and some
    down-but-not-touching-the-ground trees spotted out for first round of harvesting .
    Snag

    ------------------------

    HD and Lowes used to sell corrugated galvanized roofing at a decent price so
    I built pole sheds covered with it and could get a little ahead on the firewood, to dry it well enough for my fussy but efficient Jotul-clone
    stove. The design that worked best for drying was a floor of two 40" x 48" pallets that would hold 3 rows cut 16" long. A 2' roof overhang allows the
    shed to be left open all summer without rain wetting the wood. The stacks
    are short enough that shrinkage and settling from drying doesn't allow them
    to bow out dangerously when piled as high as I can reach. The end walls that the stacks rest against are pallets not strong enough for flooring, loosely tied to the uprights so both can settle independently from wood and snow weight. I wired the lower ends of the tree-trunk columns together to prevent spreading, since they just rest on flat rocks.

    The roofing is held down by scrap tied across it so it has no screw holes
    and can be reused elsewhere. This is a good use for the cheap warped cull lumber at HD. Damage from falling branches can usually be repaired by
    reshaping the corrugations with a soft faced hammer over 1-1/2" or 2" pipe.

    Since we have severe snowy winters I arranged the roofing lengthwise with
    extra 2' panels for the summer overhang, and retract then for winter to
    reduce the snow load. Crosswise works too, snow hasn't bent a 1' unsupported overhang. I'm describing the simplest of several versions I tried. HF camo tarps cover the sides and blend in well with the surrounding young pines.
    The tarps are hung to slightly clear the ground so snow won't pull on and
    tear them, and last around 10 years as long as rug scraps cover sharp edges.

    I began with logs for the roof beams, "planed" fairly straight and flat on
    top with the chainsaw. Friends soon took pity on me for the effort and gave
    me access to construction debris which made roof framing easier, and reduced their disposal cost. The logs worked well, though, as corrugated roofing
    easily twists to fit non-parallel beams.

    I found that I could make close-fitting mortices in the columns by propping
    the beam in place and screwing scrap wood blocks against it above and below. With the beam removed the blocks guide a hand saw to cut a notch that the
    beam fits snugly, since the saw kerfs are within the beam height.

    The town agrees that the sheds have no value and doesn't tax them.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 13 10:04:46 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u682ge$37ujc$1@dont-email.me...

    Thank (deity of your choice) for standing dead trees . I am woefully
    behind on gettin' in the firewood for next winter . Seems like lately
    everybody and her brother has a "little project" for me - in addition to
    my own projects . I can burn green wood but it's almost not worth the
    effort . Got a few standing dead and some
    down-but-not-touching-the-ground trees spotted out for first round of harvesting .
    Snag

    ----------------------

    I couldn't identify recently deceased trees in winter because all were leafless, or in summer because leaves on surrounding trees obscured which branches lacked them. I had to mark the dead ones in spring when the new
    leaves were small or in fall when only a few leaves were left. After a few years the dead red oaks would lose their bark to woodpeckers and become
    easily recognized so there was a window of perhaps 5-10 years before they rotted at the base and fell. Those tended to be dry enough to burn
    immediately, except at the bottom end.

    After cutting everything accessible from the trails by truck and winch I assembled a go-anywhere logging rig from a worn out and rebuilt Sears garden tractor with ag tires and serious towing capacity and a single snowmobile trailer of the same narrow width that let me drive the rig close enough to
    any dead tree. Pulling the half ton trailer had ripped apart a riding mower, the similar-looking garden tractor has a strong ladder frame and a low range for plowing. It's the tractor for which I built the hydraulic bucket loader attachment to clear snow, and I used it to lift fallen trees to cut a path through them without dulling the saw on rocks.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Jun 13 15:32:29 2023
    On 6/13/2023 9:04 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:u682ge$37ujc$1@dont-email.me...

      Thank (deity of your choice) for standing dead trees . I am woefully behind on gettin' in the firewood for next winter . Seems like lately everybody and her brother has a "little project" for me - in addition to
    my own projects . I can burn green wood but it's almost not worth the
    effort . Got a few standing dead and some
    down-but-not-touching-the-ground trees spotted out for first round of harvesting .
    Snag

    ----------------------

    I couldn't identify recently deceased trees in winter because all were leafless, or in summer because leaves on surrounding trees obscured
    which branches lacked them. I had to mark the dead ones in spring when
    the new leaves were small or in fall when only a few leaves were left.
    After a few years the dead red oaks would lose their bark to woodpeckers
    and become easily recognized so there was a window of perhaps 5-10 years before they rotted at the base and fell. Those tended to be dry enough
    to burn immediately, except at the bottom end.

    After cutting everything accessible from the trails by truck and winch I assembled a go-anywhere logging rig from a worn out and rebuilt Sears
    garden tractor with ag tires and serious towing capacity and a single snowmobile trailer of the same narrow width that let me drive the rig
    close enough to any dead tree. Pulling the half ton trailer had ripped
    apart a riding mower, the similar-looking garden tractor has a strong
    ladder frame and a low range for plowing. It's the tractor for which I
    built the hydraulic bucket loader attachment to clear snow, and I used
    it to lift fallen trees to cut a path through them without dulling the
    saw on rocks.


    I'm using my 1982 JD model 317 yard tractor and a yard trailer . I
    want to build a longer trailer that will put more weight on the
    tractor's rear wheels , but there's a trade-off between long enough and
    being able to navigate between the trees . My problem is not a lack of
    power , it's that I can't get it to the ground . I've got 80 lbs over
    each rear wheel and chains on and I still spin the too much .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Jun 13 15:20:35 2023
    On 6/13/2023 7:50 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:u682ge$37ujc$1@dont-email.me...

      Thank (deity of your choice) for standing dead trees . I am woefully behind on gettin' in the firewood for next winter . Seems like lately everybody and her brother has a "little project" for me - in addition to
    my own projects . I can burn green wood but it's almost not worth the
    effort . Got a few standing dead and some
    down-but-not-touching-the-ground trees spotted out for first round of harvesting .
    Snag

    ------------------------

    HD and Lowes used to sell corrugated galvanized roofing at a decent
    price so I built pole sheds covered with it and could get a little ahead
    on the firewood, to dry it well enough for my fussy but efficient
    Jotul-clone stove. The design that worked best for drying was a floor of
    two 40" x 48" pallets that would hold 3 rows cut 16" long. A 2' roof
    overhang allows the shed to be left open all summer without rain wetting
    the wood. The stacks are short enough that shrinkage and settling from
    drying doesn't allow them to bow out dangerously when piled as high as I
    can reach. The end walls that the stacks rest against are pallets not
    strong enough for flooring, loosely tied to the uprights so both can
    settle independently from wood and snow weight. I wired the lower ends
    of the tree-trunk columns together to prevent spreading, since they just
    rest on flat rocks.


    snipped construction details

    The town agrees that the sheds have no value and doesn't tax them.


    I've got I think 16 pieces of 5 rib steel roofing 8 feet long
    awaiting my attention to be turned into a shelter for the fire wood ...
    I might even get to it this winter ! I'm lucky enough to have a neighbor
    that has a small band saw mill , if I need some logs sliced he's eager
    to help . He and his wife think they don't get enough chances to help me
    ... these are some of the best neighbors I've ever had .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Jun 13 17:48:03 2023
    On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 15:32:29 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    but there's a trade-off between long enough and
    being able to navigate between the trees

    Maybe add rear-wheel steer and a lever so you can control
    it from your seat :)

    It was kinda wimpy... but I remember somebody making a 4-Wheel wagon
    that had coordinated steering on it. Wouldn't help your traction
    problem...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 13 21:45:43 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u6ajor$3n2at$1@dont-email.me...

    I'm using my 1982 JD model 317 yard tractor and a yard trailer . I
    want to build a longer trailer that will put more weight on the
    tractor's rear wheels , but there's a trade-off between long enough and
    being able to navigate between the trees . My problem is not a lack of
    power , it's that I can't get it to the ground . I've got 80 lbs over
    each rear wheel and chains on and I still spin the too much .
    --
    Snag

    ---------------------------

    That's similar to mine. I needed chevron lugged ag tires plus chains plus
    all the wood in the front half of the trailer to have the traction to climb muddy hills with a load, but then it had so much that when a trailer wheel caught on a root the front end came up vertical, throwing me out of position
    to find and press the clutch. Luckily it tipped over sideways instead of crushing me against the trailer. Now when the steering gets light I have a
    hand on the key.

    I had relocated the hitch ball higher to match the trailer and further back
    to turn tighter, which gave the load more leverage to tilt the tractor up,
    but also a stop when the tongue grounded.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 13 22:33:00 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u6aj2h$3mvo6$1@dont-email.me...

    snipped construction details
    I've got I think 16 pieces of 5 rib steel roofing 8 feet long
    awaiting my attention to be turned into a shelter for the fire wood ...
    I might even get to it this winter ! I'm lucky enough to have a neighbor
    that has a small band saw mill , if I need some logs sliced he's eager
    to help . He and his wife think they don't get enough chances to help me
    ... these are some of the best neighbors I've ever had .
    Snag

    ---------------------

    I mentioned only the problems and solutions, not all the structural details since you probably don't have to build strong enough for a 50# PSF winter
    snow & ice load or to hang up heavy equipment. The frames are similar to farmers' open sided pole sheds.

    How does the neighbor handle the heavy logs? I built the overhead gantry
    hoists for that because I don't own a Kubota to move them and it's been a
    good answer for both handling logs and assembling the saw. I can rotate the logs and cants without damage by suspending them in a rope sling (or two)
    run through a snatch block, and adjust the centers of both ends to the same height with most of the log's weight supported. I set the saw up beside whichever storage shed they will go into with the 16' long gantry positioned
    to pick up logs off a trailer, place them on the saw, then move the cut
    beams into the shed.

    My thread from a few years ago about pressing ball bearings into wheels was
    for a gantry track mount for the 1300# HF electric hoist.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Jun 13 23:54:14 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u6ao6k$3m04j$1@dont-email.me...

    On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 15:32:29 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    but there's a trade-off between long enough and
    being able to navigate between the trees

    Maybe add rear-wheel steer and a lever so you can control
    it from your seat :)

    It was kinda wimpy... but I remember somebody making a 4-Wheel wagon
    that had coordinated steering on it. Wouldn't help your traction
    problem...
    Leon Fisk

    -----------------------

    A helpful addition to my tractor is a wood block height extension on the clutch/brake pedal that lets me depress it while twisted around to look backwards. Replacing the molded seat with a flatter and less restrictive folding boat seat helps too.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Jun 13 23:28:08 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u6ao6k$3m04j$1@dont-email.me...

    On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 15:32:29 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    but there's a trade-off between long enough and
    being able to navigate between the trees

    Maybe add rear-wheel steer and a lever so you can control
    it from your seat :)

    It was kinda wimpy... but I remember somebody making a 4-Wheel wagon
    that had coordinated steering on it. Wouldn't help your traction
    problem...
    Leon Fisk

    -----------------------

    The usual problem I encountered was a wheel getting caught against a stump
    root or rock when I couldn't drive straight ahead due to obstacles. This is rough hilly land that had never been cleared of glacially deposited rocks
    for farming, though someone had gathered the smaller ones. I could lever the rear end sideways with the Peavey and firewood for the fulcrum or lift and shift it with the folding tripod and chain hoist I carried.

    The hoist and tripod solved many other problems too. For instance someone
    took to blocking trails by rolling boulders into them. I piled the boulders
    in a pyramid beside the trail and he apparently decided to stop messing with the man who could lift them.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Jun 13 23:03:08 2023
    On 6/13/2023 9:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:u6aj2h$3mvo6$1@dont-email.me...

     snipped construction details
      I've got I think 16 pieces of 5 rib steel roofing 8 feet long
    awaiting my attention to be turned into a shelter for the fire wood ...
    I might even get to it this winter ! I'm lucky enough to have a neighbor
    that has a small band saw mill , if I need some logs sliced he's eager
    to help . He and his wife think they don't get enough chances to help me
    ... these are some of the best neighbors I've ever had .
    Snag

    ---------------------

    I mentioned only the problems and solutions, not all the structural
    details since you probably don't have to build strong enough for a 50#
    PSF winter snow & ice load or to hang up heavy equipment. The frames are similar to farmers' open sided pole sheds.

    How does the neighbor handle the heavy logs?

    With his front loader ... He ran up on a screamin' good deal on a medium/small diesel tractor at an estate sale . And you're right , our
    winter conditions here are much less extreme than yours .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Jun 14 10:58:48 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u6be5q$3tp6s$1@dont-email.me...

    On 6/13/2023 9:33 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    How does the neighbor handle the heavy logs?

    With his front loader ... He ran up on a screamin' good deal on a medium/small diesel tractor at an estate sale . ...
    Snag

    ------------------------------

    I keep watching for one, perhaps with price-reducing problems I can solve, having built my own bucket loader and log splitter from worn components. Besides engines and transmissions what expensive non-DIY problems should I avoid?

    https://www.baileyhydraulics.com/

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Jun 14 11:16:14 2023
    On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 10:58:48 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    I keep watching for one, perhaps with price-reducing problems I can solve, >having built my own bucket loader and log splitter from worn components. >Besides engines and transmissions what expensive non-DIY problems should I >avoid?

    Unobtanium or parts that are really difficult to fabricate. Internet
    sources are a huge help nowadays in figuring this stuff out...

    Neighbor found a deal on a Shenniu 254 that need some parts and work. I
    dug up a manual for it on the net. Quirky little tractor...

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Shenniu+254

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Fri Jun 16 18:22:40 2023
    On 6/12/2023 6:21 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds, but
    I can only sing the same song so many times.  Lets hear what you did today.  (The last week or to is fine.)



    Take a TIG WELDER and go MURDALIZE some ALUMINUM!

    Okaaaaayyyy! I have been making a frame to hold in an insert to reduce
    the size of a GIANT pet door. The frame is made out of aluminum T-bar
    and fits perfectly. Its decent a looking frame (inside and outside)
    that fits the opening, sandwiches the insert, and matches the thickness
    of the door. Okay, I know how to measure, mill, and drill, and I let
    one of the CNCs cut the miters for me.

    I was thinking if I could weld the frames together in rectangles it
    would make final assembly much easier. The last time I TIG welded
    aluminum I made a moisture trap for the air dryer on my shop air system
    and it went just fine. Doesn't look like a pro did it, but it holds air
    (and water).

    Fortunately this time I decided to practice on some scraps. I couldn't
    get anything resembling a weld to save my life. I'll be finishing the
    job with security screws and painters caulk with the frame stuck in the
    opening one piece at a time. Fudge. Thank goodness the pieces are well
    fit up. LOL.

    I could have done a better job of welding with my MIG setup. The argon
    bottle was empty on it, and by then I just didn't feel like wrestling
    the bottle off the back of the TIG to swap them around.


    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat Jun 17 06:48:47 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u6j1t0$vqhs$1@dont-email.me...

    On 6/12/2023 6:21 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds, but I
    can only sing the same song so many times. Lets hear what you did today. (The last week or to is fine.)



    Take a TIG WELDER and go MURDALIZE some ALUMINUM!

    Okaaaaayyyy! I have been making a frame to hold in an insert to reduce
    the size of a GIANT pet door. The frame is made out of aluminum T-bar
    and fits perfectly. Its decent a looking frame (inside and outside)
    that fits the opening, sandwiches the insert, and matches the thickness
    of the door. Okay, I know how to measure, mill, and drill, and I let
    one of the CNCs cut the miters for me.

    I was thinking if I could weld the frames together in rectangles it
    would make final assembly much easier. The last time I TIG welded
    aluminum I made a moisture trap for the air dryer on my shop air system
    and it went just fine. Doesn't look like a pro did it, but it holds air
    (and water).

    Fortunately this time I decided to practice on some scraps. I couldn't
    get anything resembling a weld to save my life. I'll be finishing the
    job with security screws and painters caulk with the frame stuck in the
    opening one piece at a time. Fudge. Thank goodness the pieces are well
    fit up. LOL.

    I could have done a better job of welding with my MIG setup. The argon
    bottle was empty on it, and by then I just didn't feel like wrestling
    the bottle off the back of the TIG to swap them around.

    Bob La Londe

    -------------------------

    I sympathize, I couldn't manage a good TIG weld on aluminum in night school.

    Maybe you could insert a smaller door in the large one?

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jun 17 08:54:39 2023
    On 6/17/2023 3:48 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u6j1t0$vqhs$1@dont-email.me...

    On 6/12/2023 6:21 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds,
    but I can only sing the same song so many times.  Lets hear what you
    did today. (The last week or to is fine.)



    Take a TIG WELDER and go MURDALIZE some ALUMINUM!

    Okaaaaayyyy!  I have been making a frame to hold in an insert to reduce
    the size of a GIANT pet door.  The frame is made out of aluminum T-bar
    and fits perfectly.  Its decent a looking frame (inside and outside)
    that fits the opening, sandwiches the insert, and matches the thickness
    of the door.  Okay, I know how to measure, mill, and drill, and I let
    one of the CNCs cut the miters for me.

    I was thinking if I could weld the frames together in rectangles it
    would make final assembly much easier.  The last time I TIG welded
    aluminum I made a moisture trap for the air dryer on my shop air system
    and it went just fine.  Doesn't look like a pro did it, but it holds air (and water).

    Fortunately this time I decided to practice on some scraps.  I couldn't
    get anything resembling a weld to save my life.  I'll be finishing the
    job with security screws and painters caulk with the frame stuck in the opening one piece at a time.  Fudge.  Thank goodness the pieces are well fit up.  LOL.

    I could have done a better job of welding with my MIG setup.  The argon bottle was empty on it, and by then I just didn't feel like wrestling
    the bottle off the back of the TIG to swap them around.

    Bob La Londe

    -------------------------

    I sympathize, I couldn't manage a good TIG weld on aluminum in night
    school.

    Maybe you could insert a smaller door in the large one?



    The frustrating part is when I did the water trap container I did one
    end with filler and the other end without, and both ends worked. I
    thought at the time that, "Its not pretty, but this isn't so bad." This
    time I couldn't even really establish a puddle, and its not junk mystery
    T-Bar. I bought it from McMaster. Maybe I should go back and see if I
    ordered an odd alloy by mistake or something, but most common extrusions
    are 6061.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat Jun 17 11:31:27 2023
    On 6/17/2023 8:54 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 6/17/2023 3:48 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u6j1t0$vqhs$1@dont-email.me...

    On 6/12/2023 6:21 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I'm headed out to the shop to make a small production run of molds,
    but I can only sing the same song so many times.  Lets hear what you
    did today. (The last week or to is fine.)



    Take a TIG WELDER and go MURDALIZE some ALUMINUM!

    Okaaaaayyyy!  I have been making a frame to hold in an insert to reduce
    the size of a GIANT pet door.  The frame is made out of aluminum T-bar
    and fits perfectly.  Its decent a looking frame (inside and outside)
    that fits the opening, sandwiches the insert, and matches the thickness
    of the door.  Okay, I know how to measure, mill, and drill, and I let
    one of the CNCs cut the miters for me.

    I was thinking if I could weld the frames together in rectangles it
    would make final assembly much easier.  The last time I TIG welded
    aluminum I made a moisture trap for the air dryer on my shop air system
    and it went just fine.  Doesn't look like a pro did it, but it holds air
    (and water).

    Fortunately this time I decided to practice on some scraps.  I couldn't
    get anything resembling a weld to save my life.  I'll be finishing the
    job with security screws and painters caulk with the frame stuck in the
    opening one piece at a time.  Fudge.  Thank goodness the pieces are well >> fit up.  LOL.

    I could have done a better job of welding with my MIG setup.  The argon
    bottle was empty on it, and by then I just didn't feel like wrestling
    the bottle off the back of the TIG to swap them around.

    Bob La Londe

    -------------------------

    I sympathize, I couldn't manage a good TIG weld on aluminum in night
    school.

    Maybe you could insert a smaller door in the large one?



    The frustrating part is when I did the water trap container I did one
    end with filler and the other end without, and both ends worked.  I
    thought at the time that, "Its not pretty, but this isn't so bad."  This time I couldn't even really establish a puddle, and its not junk mystery T-Bar.  I bought it from McMaster.  Maybe I should go back and see if I ordered an odd alloy by mistake or something, but most common extrusions
    are 6061.



    Nope. McMaster claims its 6061 T-bar. It looks just like all the bar
    stock in the shop leaning up against the wall. I guess I just got lucky
    last time.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 19:09:02 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u6ku5v$1aqqb$1@dont-email.me...

    Nope. McMaster claims its 6061 T-bar. It looks just like all the bar
    stock in the shop leaning up against the wall. I guess I just got lucky
    last time.

    Bob La Londe

    ------------------

    I recently turned a part from 1" 6061 rod that chattered for the first tenth
    or so on the outside, then cut nicely as usual further in. I honed the bit
    and was taking 0.025" cuts to minimize the chatter until it suddenly
    smoothed out, on both ends. It's a cutoff from an auction so I don't know
    the source. Perhaps there could be an extruding or heat treating issue, but
    one shouldn't affect welding.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jun 17 16:31:46 2023
    On 6/17/2023 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u6ku5v$1aqqb$1@dont-email.me...

    Nope.  McMaster claims its 6061 T-bar.  It looks just like all the bar stock in the shop leaning up against the wall.  I guess I just got lucky last time.

    Bob La Londe

    ------------------

    I recently turned a part from 1" 6061 rod that chattered for the first
    tenth or so on the outside, then cut nicely as usual further in. I honed
    the bit and was taking 0.025" cuts to minimize the chatter until it
    suddenly smoothed out, on both ends. It's a cutoff from an auction so I
    don't know the source. Perhaps there could be an extruding or heat
    treating issue, but one shouldn't affect welding.


    I think all aluminum forms an aluminum oxide skin that is substantially
    hard (and melts at a higher temperature) than the base metal. Usually I
    see no issue with machining. I flatten a lot of stock with a 0.100 cut
    on the mill, but on the lathe I hog as heavy as I can until I get close
    to diameter.

    I did chip my cup and tried a slightly smaller cup. Maybe I just wasn't getting good gas coverage. I was indoors with the doors closed so
    shielding gas wasn't blowing away.

    Maybe I'll run over to Linde (formerly Praxair) on Monday and try a
    larger cup. I'd really like to try a clear cup so I can better see the
    arc cone, but I doubt they have one.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat Jun 17 16:37:25 2023
    On 6/17/2023 4:31 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 6/17/2023 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u6ku5v$1aqqb$1@dont-email.me...

    Nope.  McMaster claims its 6061 T-bar.  It looks just like all the bar
    stock in the shop leaning up against the wall.  I guess I just got lucky
    last time.

    Bob La Londe

    ------------------

    I recently turned a part from 1" 6061 rod that chattered for the first
    tenth or so on the outside, then cut nicely as usual further in. I
    honed the bit and was taking 0.025" cuts to minimize the chatter until
    it suddenly smoothed out, on both ends. It's a cutoff from an auction
    so I don't know the source. Perhaps there could be an extruding or
    heat treating issue, but one shouldn't affect welding.


    Corrections:


    I think all aluminum forms an aluminum oxide skin that is substantially
    hard

    harder

    (and melts at a higher temperature) than the base metal.  Usually I
    see no issue with machining.  I flatten a lot of stock with a 0.100

    0.010

    cut
    on the mill, but on the lathe I hog as heavy as I can until I get close
    to diameter.

    I did chip my cup and tried a slightly smaller cup.  Maybe I just wasn't getting good gas coverage.  I was indoors with the doors closed so
    shielding gas wasn't blowing away.

    Maybe I'll run over to Linde (formerly Praxair) on Monday and try a
    larger cup.  I'd really like to try a clear cup so I can better see the
    arc cone, but I doubt they have one.


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    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat Jun 17 20:21:03 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u6lg3m$1d00n$2@dont-email.me...

    On 6/17/2023 4:31 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 6/17/2023 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:


    I recently turned a part from 1" 6061 rod that chattered for the first
    tenth or so on the outside, then cut nicely as usual further in. I honed
    the bit and was taking 0.025" cuts to minimize the chatter until it
    suddenly smoothed out, on both ends. It's a cutoff from an auction so I
    don't know the source. Perhaps there could be an extruding or heat
    treating issue, but one shouldn't affect welding.


    Corrections:

    harder

    0.010

    cut

    ------------------
    I take a skim cut on unknown stock to mark length for roughing, remove scale and oxide and check centering, roundness, hardness and the bit's condition,
    and set the infeed dial to the measured diameter. This was more like deep
    case hardening or the skin on cast iron. My other 6061 stock cuts uniformly
    all the way in.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Sat Jun 17 22:38:45 2023
    On 6/17/2023 6:31 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 6/17/2023 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u6ku5v$1aqqb$1@dont-email.me...

    Nope.  McMaster claims its 6061 T-bar.  It looks just like all the bar
    stock in the shop leaning up against the wall.  I guess I just got lucky
    last time.

    Bob La Londe

    ------------------

    I recently turned a part from 1" 6061 rod that chattered for the first
    tenth or so on the outside, then cut nicely as usual further in. I
    honed the bit and was taking 0.025" cuts to minimize the chatter until
    it suddenly smoothed out, on both ends. It's a cutoff from an auction
    so I don't know the source. Perhaps there could be an extruding or
    heat treating issue, but one shouldn't affect welding.


    I think all aluminum forms an aluminum oxide skin that is substantially
    hard (and melts at a higher temperature) than the base metal.  Usually I
    see no issue with machining.  I flatten a lot of stock with a 0.100 cut
    on the mill, but on the lathe I hog as heavy as I can until I get close
    to diameter.

    I did chip my cup and tried a slightly smaller cup.  Maybe I just wasn't getting good gas coverage.  I was indoors with the doors closed so
    shielding gas wasn't blowing away.

    Maybe I'll run over to Linde (formerly Praxair) on Monday and try a
    larger cup.  I'd really like to try a clear cup so I can better see the
    arc cone, but I doubt they have one.


    Have you tried a "gas lens" (I think that's what they call it) for
    aluminum ? Heped me when i was figuring it out . Check out weldingtipsandtricks.com . Jody is full of good advice and sells a
    selection of TIG and other welding tooling . I love my TIG finger ...
    --
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    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 18 06:44:31 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:u6lu82$1iiop$1@dont-email.me...

    Have you tried a "gas lens" (I think that's what they call it) for
    aluminum ? Heped me when i was figuring it out . Check out weldingtipsandtricks.com . Jody is full of good advice and sells a
    selection of TIG and other welding tooling . I love my TIG finger ...
    Snag
    -------------------
    Re: Tig aluminum
    A gas lens helped me, but not enough to stop melt-through. I think I gained something by piling up a stalagmite so I could more easily see to control
    the puddle.

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