• My Next Day Off

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 10:25:45 2023
    Its been over 110F every single day for about 3 weeks now. I tried to
    work outside on an old boat a couple days, but even under a popup shade
    it was pretty miserable. My wife said it was 118F yesterday. Walking
    out to the mail box for my latest prize scored off eBay has been a real
    chore. Not worth it for the bills and junk mail.

    I don't know exactly what is going on in the back shop. For some reason
    its not as hot as I remember it in past years with similar outside temperatures. The office and little machine room are air conditioned,
    but the back shop where the bigger lathe mills are is not. Oh, its hot
    back there, but not as stifflingly miserable as I recall.

    Tomorrow is my day off this week, so I'm going to try and fit a new sole
    out of a sheet of aluminum into "Another Boat Project That May Never Get Finished" in the morning, and work on a machine in the shop in the
    afternoon.

    I have not yet decided which machine. You guys can vote on which one if
    you like. I may ignore you like a true politician, but you can vote anyway.

    1. I've got a 3 phase Taiwanese turret lathe I'd like to get running.
    Phase converter (VFD), dirt (stiff action), and some new cover panels.
    This one may be the easiest to get into running trim. Its also setting
    on dollies and its small enough I could roll it inside the little
    machine room where its cooler to work on... after I sweep a path through
    the chips.

    2. Hurco KMB1 with a catastrophic ball screw failure. Went from .001
    baklash to .030-.040 backlash in the middle of a job. This would
    probably be the most profitable to fix, and most expensive since I
    probably have to buy new screws for two axis. Maybe I'll get lucky and
    its only a bearing failure.

    3. CNC bridge mill/router build... this one will be the most work
    since I have barely started on it. Its also likely to be the most fun
    (in the end) since I plan to use it for mostly odd projects like license
    plate plaques (for states that only require one plate in the back)
    awards plaques, machined labels for stuff in the shop (looks cooler than
    it sounds), signs and other things that are not part of my regular
    product line.

    Alternatively I have started a 1911 build from a partially machined
    frame. The plan is NOT to build another 45ACP. The plan is to build a
    1911-22 using a German Sport Gun .22 slide assembly and magazine. I
    already tested the parts on a very good replica 1911A1 (preban Norinco)
    and it seems to work reliably with good .22 ammo. The frame is 7075
    aluminum so it should make a nice relatively light weight .22 plinker.
    I have been playing with the fit so far (no machining yet), and I think
    it can be fitted up and made functional without machining out the barrel
    seat. This would reduce the likelihood of some future heir trying to
    convert into a 45ACP, although some people do build 45s on this frame.
    I might work on that.



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    Bob La Londe
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    real machinist

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Wed Jul 26 10:59:41 2023
    On 7/26/2023 10:25 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Its been over 110F every single day for about 3 weeks now.  I tried to
    work outside on an old boat a couple days, but even under a popup shade
    it was pretty miserable.  My wife said it was 118F yesterday.  Walking
    out to the mail box for my latest prize scored off eBay has been a real chore.  Not worth it for the bills and junk mail.

    I don't know exactly what is going on in the back shop.  For some reason
    its not as hot as I remember it in past years with similar outside temperatures.  The office and little machine room are air conditioned,
    but the back shop where the bigger lathe mills are is not.  Oh, its hot
    back there, but not as stifflingly miserable as I recall.

    Tomorrow is my day off this week, so I'm going to try and fit a new sole
    out of a sheet of aluminum into "Another Boat Project That May Never Get Finished" in the morning, and work on a machine in the shop in the
    afternoon.

    I have not yet decided which machine.  You guys can vote on which one if
    you like.  I may ignore you like a true politician, but you can vote
    anyway.

    1.  I've got a 3 phase Taiwanese turret lathe I'd like to get running.
    Phase converter (VFD), dirt (stiff action), and some new cover panels.
    This one may be the easiest to get into running trim. Its also setting
    on dollies and its small enough I could roll it inside the little
    machine room where its cooler to work on... after I sweep a path through
    the chips.

    2.  Hurco KMB1 with a catastrophic ball screw failure.  Went from .001 baklash to .030-.040 backlash in the middle of a job.  This would
    probably be the most profitable to fix, and most expensive since I
    probably have to buy new screws for two axis. Maybe I'll get lucky and
    its only a bearing failure.

    3.  CNC bridge mill/router build...  this one will be the most work
    since I have barely started on it.  Its also likely to be the most fun
    (in the end) since I plan to use it for mostly odd projects like license plate plaques (for states that only require one plate in the back)
    awards plaques, machined labels for stuff in the shop (looks cooler than
    it sounds), signs and other things that are not part of my regular
    product line.

    Alternatively I have started a 1911 build from a partially machined
    frame.  The plan is NOT to build another 45ACP.  The plan is to build a 1911-22 using a German Sport Gun .22 slide assembly and magazine.  I
    already tested the parts on a very good replica 1911A1 (preban Norinco)
    and it seems to work reliably with good .22 ammo.  The frame is 7075 aluminum so it should make a nice relatively light weight .22 plinker. I
    have been playing with the fit so far (no machining yet), and I think it
    can be fitted up and made functional without machining out the barrel
    seat.  This would reduce the likelihood of some future heir trying to convert into a 45ACP, although some people do build 45s on this frame. I might work on that.




    I probably won't work on the switches after braking the dash on the 2007 Silverado. Those parts have not arrived yet.


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    Bob La Londe
    Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
    real machinist


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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Wed Jul 26 17:01:10 2023
    On 7/26/2023 12:59 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 7/26/2023 10:25 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    Its been over 110F every single day for about 3 weeks now.  I tried to
    work outside on an old boat a couple days, but even under a popup
    shade it was pretty miserable.  My wife said it was 118F yesterday.
    Walking out to the mail box for my latest prize scored off eBay has
    been a real chore.  Not worth it for the bills and junk mail.

    I don't know exactly what is going on in the back shop.  For some
    reason its not as hot as I remember it in past years with similar
    outside temperatures.  The office and little machine room are air
    conditioned, but the back shop where the bigger lathe mills are is
    not.  Oh, its hot back there, but not as stifflingly miserable as I
    recall.

    Tomorrow is my day off this week, so I'm going to try and fit a new
    sole out of a sheet of aluminum into "Another Boat Project That May
    Never Get Finished" in the morning, and work on a machine in the shop
    in the afternoon.

    I have not yet decided which machine.  You guys can vote on which one
    if you like.  I may ignore you like a true politician, but you can
    vote anyway.

    1.  I've got a 3 phase Taiwanese turret lathe I'd like to get running.
    Phase converter (VFD), dirt (stiff action), and some new cover panels.
    This one may be the easiest to get into running trim. Its also setting
    on dollies and its small enough I could roll it inside the little
    machine room where its cooler to work on... after I sweep a path
    through the chips.

    2.  Hurco KMB1 with a catastrophic ball screw failure.  Went from .001
    baklash to .030-.040 backlash in the middle of a job.  This would
    probably be the most profitable to fix, and most expensive since I
    probably have to buy new screws for two axis. Maybe I'll get lucky and
    its only a bearing failure.

    3.  CNC bridge mill/router build...  this one will be the most work
    since I have barely started on it.  Its also likely to be the most fun
    (in the end) since I plan to use it for mostly odd projects like
    license plate plaques (for states that only require one plate in the
    back) awards plaques, machined labels for stuff in the shop (looks
    cooler than it sounds), signs and other things that are not part of my
    regular product line.

    Alternatively I have started a 1911 build from a partially machined
    frame.  The plan is NOT to build another 45ACP.  The plan is to build
    a 1911-22 using a German Sport Gun .22 slide assembly and magazine.  I
    already tested the parts on a very good replica 1911A1 (preban
    Norinco) and it seems to work reliably with good .22 ammo.  The frame
    is 7075 aluminum so it should make a nice relatively light weight .22
    plinker. I have been playing with the fit so far (no machining yet),
    and I think it can be fitted up and made functional without machining
    out the barrel seat.  This would reduce the likelihood of some future
    heir trying to convert into a 45ACP, although some people do build 45s
    on this frame. I might work on that.




    I probably won't work on the switches after braking the dash on the 2007 Silverado.  Those parts have not arrived yet.



    I'll probably spend a little time in the morning figuring out if the
    new rear speakers in my truck are crap or if the sheet metal they mount
    to is vibrating and causing the buzzing noises I'm hearing .
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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 18:26:47 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u9rkup$1i3t0$1@dont-email.me...

    I have not yet decided which machine. You guys can vote on which one if
    you like. I may ignore you like a true politician, but you can vote anyway.

    ---------------------------

    I'd go with the Hurco if you can quickly find the problem and order the
    parts. When I was a project's manager as well as its builder I pushed as
    much as possible outside the critical path that way. Also I bought what I
    could and built only the parts that would require too much explanation to
    send out.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Jul 26 18:36:10 2023
    On 7/26/2023 3:26 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u9rkup$1i3t0$1@dont-email.me...

    I have not yet decided which machine.  You guys can vote on which one if
    you like.  I may ignore you like a true politician, but you can vote
    anyway.

    ---------------------------

    I'd go with the Hurco if you can quickly find the problem and order the parts. When I was a project's manager as well as its builder I pushed as
    much as possible outside the critical path that way. Also I bought what
    I could and built only the parts that would require too much explanation
    to send out.


    Not sure if I mentioned it here, but I bought the Tormach to do most of
    the prep work I used to do on the Hurco. The thing is the Tormach is
    also being used to do primary jobs now too.

    Then I fixed the electronics problem that caused me to buy the Tormach,
    and when the Hurco had its current mechanical failure I started doing
    heavy work on the new South Bend manual mill. I can actually square
    blanks to size about as fast by hand as I can on the Hurco. Well and
    the South Bend is more powerful.

    Quickly... That is unknown, and its not an easy machine to get the ball
    nuts and screws out of. I probably can't afford OEM replacements
    anyway. I figured to machine my own screws to fit if it needs new
    screws. I've had the Y out before, and when I got all the garbage out
    of the ball nut the backlash increased. Oops. LOL. I have an
    aftermarket screw/nut for it already, but I also want to replace the end bearings and change it to a direct drive instead of a belt drive. The
    biggest thing is its in the not air conditioned part of the shop, and
    its way to big to move into the small machine room.

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    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 06:44:20 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u9shma$1l2dk$1@dont-email.me...

    Quickly... That is unknown, and its not an easy machine to get the ball
    nuts and screws out of. I probably can't afford OEM replacements
    anyway. I figured to machine my own screws to fit if it needs new
    screws. I've had the Y out before, and when I got all the garbage out
    of the ball nut the backlash increased. Oops. LOL. I have an
    aftermarket screw/nut for it already, but I also want to replace the end bearings and change it to a direct drive instead of a belt drive. The
    biggest thing is its in the not air conditioned part of the shop, and
    its way to big to move into the small machine room.

    Bob La Londe

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    https://gtispindle.com/ball-screw-repair/

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 27 08:45:53 2023
    On 7/27/2023 3:44 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u9shma$1l2dk$1@dont-email.me... Quickly... That is unknown, and its not an easy machine to get the ball
    nuts and screws out of.  I probably can't afford OEM replacements
    anyway.  I figured to machine my own screws to fit if it needs new
    screws.  I've had the Y out before, and when I got all the garbage out
    of the ball nut the backlash increased.  Oops.  LOL.  I have an aftermarket screw/nut for it already, but I also want to replace the end bearings and change it to a direct drive instead of a belt drive.  The biggest thing is its in the not air conditioned part of the shop, and
    its way to big to move into the small machine room.

    Bob La Londe

    --------------------------

    https://gtispindle.com/ball-screw-repair/


    That is an option. My plans have changed for my day off. Mostly I make
    molds to order. This means I have a lead time of course. Occasionally
    I'll make an extra. Sometimes it more efficient to make multiples than
    to make just one. Sometimes I have some extra stock just the right
    size. Sometimes I just feel like it. Often I will offer those molds on
    eBay at a higher price for those people who will not wait for my normal
    lead times. It works. I make occasional sales that way, and it
    promotes name recognition in my market. Last night a customer contacted
    me to ask if I would ship right away because they were going out of town
    in a few days and didn't want porch pirates to have a shot at their
    package. Yeah, no problem. I printed a label, gathered up some
    shipping materials only to discover the mold is not on the shelf. I am
    in the shop this morning, so I can get their mold down before the
    carrier arrives to pick it up. Of course it uses a stainless steel
    insert rod and I am out of that size rod so I'll also be running down to
    the local metal yard to pick up a piece.

    So much for my day off.

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    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 12:41:15 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u9u3fh$1tkh9$1@dont-email.me...

    My plans have changed for my day off...

    ----------------------

    At the custom test equipment company "Oh, by the way.." was the code phrase
    for changes requested after the contract had been signed. Apparently it's common in the auto industry to keep changing new designs and we had to keep
    up. I learned not to do anything I couldn't undo.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 27 09:49:24 2023
    On 7/27/2023 9:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u9u3fh$1tkh9$1@dont-email.me...

    My plans have changed for my day off...

    ----------------------

    At the custom test equipment company "Oh, by the way.." was the code
    phrase for changes requested after the contract had been signed.
    Apparently it's common in the auto industry to keep changing new designs
    and we had to keep up. I learned not to do anything I couldn't undo.


    "Oh, by the way," is often a part of a negotiating tactic to get more
    work for free. I used to run into it all the time in contracting. What
    I would do when writing estimates is take notes as I went, list the work included, and write down the price all right in front of the customer.
    Then when they added on more things I put them below the price and
    billed them time and materials for the extras. When they would throw a
    temper tantrum I'd show them my notebook. "See, this is what we agreed
    to at this price. You saw me write it down. All this is extra stuff
    you asked for after agreeing with my price for 'this' work." After a
    while I wrote full contracts for everything. Even little T&M jobs.

    General contractors will use a different one, "We need you to help us
    out on this one, and we don't have it in the budget." They wouldn't
    even have an excuse for why they didn't budget for the extra free work
    they were asking for. I quit working for general contractors and my
    income increased dramatically.



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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Thu Jul 27 09:55:19 2023
    On 7/27/2023 9:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 7/27/2023 9:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:u9u3fh$1tkh9$1@dont-email.me...

    My plans have changed for my day off...

    ----------------------

    At the custom test equipment company "Oh, by the way.." was the code
    phrase for changes requested after the contract had been signed.
    Apparently it's common in the auto industry to keep changing new
    designs and we had to keep up. I learned not to do anything I couldn't
    undo.


    "Oh, by the way," is often a part of a negotiating tactic to get more
    work for free.  I used to run into it all the time in contracting.  What
    I would do when writing estimates is take notes as I went, list the work included, and write down the price all right in front of the customer.
    Then when they added on more things I put them below the price and
    billed them time and materials for the extras.  When they would throw a temper tantrum I'd show them my notebook.  "See, this is what we agreed
    to at this price.  You saw me write it down.  All this is extra stuff
    you asked for after agreeing with my price for 'this' work."  After a
    while I wrote full contracts for everything.  Even little T&M jobs.

    General contractors will use a different one, "We need you to help us
    out on this one, and we don't have it in the budget."  They wouldn't
    even have an excuse for why they didn't budget for the extra free work
    they were asking for.  I quit working for general contractors and my
    income increased dramatically.


    You know I think about this and wonder why I can't be like a lot of my
    vendors and just ignore it on my day off, and then tell the customer,
    "You didn't expect me to work on my day off did you," in a tone of
    derogatory disbelief like so many have done to me. Sometimes for weeks
    because they went on vacation and didn't tell anybody about my order/job.



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    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 27 12:57:36 2023
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:41:15 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u9u3fh$1tkh9$1@dont-email.me...

    My plans have changed for my day off...

    ----------------------

    At the custom test equipment company "Oh, by the way.." was the code phrase >for changes requested after the contract had been signed. Apparently it's >common in the auto industry to keep changing new designs and we had to keep >up. I learned not to do anything I couldn't undo.


    Mine was "while you are here". Used to repair two-way radios...
    Customer Acme would request a service call for vehicles 24 and 32
    not working. So I get dispatched to work on the two vehicles and maybe
    stop at a couple other customers in the area. Check with the dispatcher
    when I arrive and they say "Oh yeah and while you are here would you
    take a look at 12, 22 and maybe 36 if it's in the yard" AND while your
    working on these a driver comes up and asks if you're here to check 9,
    because it doesn't work right 🙄

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    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Thu Jul 27 10:28:31 2023
    On 7/27/2023 9:57 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:41:15 -0400
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u9u3fh$1tkh9$1@dont-email.me...

    My plans have changed for my day off...

    ----------------------

    At the custom test equipment company "Oh, by the way.." was the code phrase >> for changes requested after the contract had been signed. Apparently it's
    common in the auto industry to keep changing new designs and we had to keep >> up. I learned not to do anything I couldn't undo.


    Mine was "while you are here". Used to repair two-way radios...
    Customer Acme would request a service call for vehicles 24 and 32
    not working. So I get dispatched to work on the two vehicles and maybe
    stop at a couple other customers in the area. Check with the dispatcher
    when I arrive and they say "Oh yeah and while you are here would you
    take a look at 12, 22 and maybe 36 if it's in the yard" AND while your working on these a driver comes up and asks if you're here to check 9, because it doesn't work right 🙄


    I've been the business owner most of my career(s), so I didn't mind the
    extras if they paid for it. I quit working for those who would expect
    me to just throw in some extra work. One of the things I did a lot was
    change out alarm batteries. I would ask if there was anything else they
    need done, and tell them if it was just a battery swap I just charged
    for the battery, but if I have to look at a device or take a tool out of
    my pouch its a full service call plus the battery. That way, on site if
    they hit me with an, "oh by the way," they knew I was charging for it.
    It was honest, and they actually got a pretty good deal if all they
    really needed was a lead slap.

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    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Thu Jul 27 13:52:58 2023
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:28:31 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've been the business owner most of my career(s), so I didn't mind the >extras if they paid for it. I quit working for those who would expect
    me to just throw in some extra work. One of the things I did a lot was >change out alarm batteries. I would ask if there was anything else they
    need done, and tell them if it was just a battery swap I just charged
    for the battery, but if I have to look at a device or take a tool out of
    my pouch its a full service call plus the battery. That way, on site if
    they hit me with an, "oh by the way," they knew I was charging for it.
    It was honest, and they actually got a pretty good deal if all they
    really needed was a lead slap.

    Yeah, the difference of being the "owner" rather than the pissant (me)
    doing the work. It was a contract customer, so they paid a monthly fee
    for us to maintain their system. It just messed with your day. Spend
    too much unallocated time on their stuff and still have to visit the
    other customers you promised see in the area. If they would have been
    upfront with how many vehicles needed work you could have planned the
    day accordingly. Just got used to it. Planned on them being jerks...

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    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Leon Fisk on Thu Jul 27 11:36:08 2023
    On 7/27/2023 10:52 AM, Leon Fisk wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:28:31 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    <snip>
    I've been the business owner most of my career(s), so I didn't mind the
    extras if they paid for it. I quit working for those who would expect
    me to just throw in some extra work. One of the things I did a lot was
    change out alarm batteries. I would ask if there was anything else they
    need done, and tell them if it was just a battery swap I just charged
    for the battery, but if I have to look at a device or take a tool out of
    my pouch its a full service call plus the battery. That way, on site if
    they hit me with an, "oh by the way," they knew I was charging for it.
    It was honest, and they actually got a pretty good deal if all they
    really needed was a lead slap.

    Yeah, the difference of being the "owner" rather than the pissant (me)
    doing the work. It was a contract customer, so they paid a monthly fee
    for us to maintain their system. It just messed with your day. Spend
    too much unallocated time on their stuff and still have to visit the
    other customers you promised see in the area. If they would have been
    upfront with how many vehicles needed work you could have planned the
    day accordingly. Just got used to it. Planned on them being jerks...


    Yeah, some customers would take advantage of service contracts, or in
    some cases be wreckless and careless because damage didn't cost them
    anything. When a tire shop chops through an armored cable with a heavy
    bead breaker its time to fire that customer. A few times I walked in to
    talk to see a manager and explain that I don't cover damage caused by negligence and abuse. One tried to tell me they would get somebody else
    then. I handed them a piece of paper, and said, "Here you can write
    your prior written notice of cancellation on this. Let me know when you
    have a new company lined up and I'll reset your service codes to the
    factory default." They were a customer for another ten years after
    that. Sometimes I found I just had to set reasonable and fair
    boundaries with customers.

    I had one large family for whom I worked on several businesses and
    homes. I found things went easier if I priced every job just a little
    high, gave just a little, and then said ,"I have to feed my family too."
    They didn't like it if I didn't negotiate a little, but the instant I mentioned family they signed. I probably worked on 20 sites for them
    over the years. I don't really like doing business like that, but
    something I had read clued me in that it was a cultural thing with some
    people. Its not just that they are not cheating your family or that you
    give a little and you are helping theirs. They are reminded their
    business is important to my family as well.




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    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Thu Jul 27 15:31:33 2023
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:36:08 -0700
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:

    <snip>
    Yeah, some customers would take advantage of service contracts, or in
    some cases be wreckless and careless because damage didn't cost them >anything. When a tire shop chops through an armored cable with a heavy
    bead breaker its time to fire that customer. A few times I walked in to >talk to see a manager and explain that I don't cover damage caused by >negligence and abuse. One tried to tell me they would get somebody else >then.

    Exactly👍 I consider that good business practice. It's foolish to consistently lose money or your employees to "bad" customers. I'm sure
    if I had worked for you we would have tangled often but in a
    productive, respectful way😉

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    Grand Rapids MI

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