• How long would it take you to 3D print this ABS plastic part?

    From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 24 14:19:23 2024
    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Part-1.jpg

    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/20240724_135900.jpg


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    The first one took 2 days.  The second one took 10 minutes.  The third
    one too 45 seconds, okay maybe 60 including cleanup.

    This mold was not actually designed for ABS injection.  I had to use a
    cheater bar on my injection press to get them to fill, then I had to add
    extra clamping to keep them from flashing.  This mold was designed for
    gravity a much much lower viscosity fluid.  The blue streaks are left
    over polypropylene, ABS takes higher injection pressure and like I said
    I had to use a cheater bar to get enough pressure to fill with my hobby
    level injection press.   The tapered pins pop right out with a light tap
    from my brass hammer.

    If I had designed it for plastic injection it would have 10-15 clamping
    screws in the mold instead of the one to hold it close for gravity
    casting.  Probably 15.  It's better to have them and not need them than
    to need them and not have them.  If I was serious about it I'd probably
    hold the mold closed with either a pneumatic or a hydraulic vise.

    This is actually a reject mold.  I decided to do it differently to make
    it easier for the end user.  It's still just intended for gravity casting.


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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Wed Jul 24 14:28:38 2024
    On 7/24/2024 2:19 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Part-1.jpg

    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/20240724_135900.jpg


    https://www.yumabassman.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/20240724_134300.jpg


    The first one took 2 days.  The second one took 10 minutes.  The third
    one too 45 seconds, okay maybe 60 including cleanup.

    This mold was not actually designed for ABS injection.  I had to use a cheater bar on my injection press to get them to fill, then I had to add extra clamping to keep them from flashing.  This mold was designed for gravity a much much lower viscosity fluid.  The blue streaks are left
    over polypropylene, ABS takes higher injection pressure and like I said
    I had to use a cheater bar to get enough pressure to fill with my hobby
    level injection press.   The tapered pins pop right out with a light tap from my brass hammer.

    If I had designed it for plastic injection it would have 10-15 clamping screws in the mold instead of the one to hold it close for gravity
    casting.  Probably 15.  It's better to have them and not need them than
    to need them and not have them.  If I was serious about it I'd probably
    hold the mold closed with either a pneumatic or a hydraulic vise.

    This is actually a reject mold.  I decided to do it differently to make
    it easier for the end user.  It's still just intended for gravity casting.



    If I am honest with myself after the injection press is up to
    temperature, and the mold is preheated it's probably about 2-3 minutes
    per part net to hand inject these.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 25 13:16:09 2024
    On 7/25/2024 7:12 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:v7rrm6$1tefe$2@dont-email.me...

    This mold was not actually designed for ABS injection.  I had to use a
    cheater bar on my injection press to get them to fill, then I had to
    add extra clamping to keep them from flashing.

    Do you know or have an estimate of the temperature and pressure to mold
    ABS?


    "There are various considerations when melting and injecting ABS plastic
    into a mold. For instance, the melt temperature varies between 170 and
    320 °C based on the ABS and mold temperature. The injection molding
    pressure also varies from 700 to 21800 psi."

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.crescentind.com/blog/abs-injection-molding-benefits-and-process%3fhs_amp=true

    I find that temperature hard to believe. Most references give a high
    temp of 440F to 480F. There are a lot of factors that can affect
    required pressure including temperature, mold design, and the shape and
    volume of the net part.




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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 25 14:52:18 2024
    On 7/25/2024 2:36 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:v7ubq9$2eb0o$1@dont-email.me...

    On 7/25/2024 7:12 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    Do you know or have an estimate of the temperature and pressure to
    mold ABS?


    "There are various considerations when melting and injecting ABS plastic
    into a mold. For instance, the melt temperature varies between 170 and
    320 °C based on the ABS and mold temperature. The injection molding
    pressure also varies from 700 to 21800 psi."

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.crescentind.com/blog/abs-injection-molding-benefits-and-process%3fhs_amp=true

    I find that temperature hard to believe.  Most references give a high
    temp of 440F to 480F.  There are a lot of factors that can affect
    required pressure including temperature, mold design, and the shape and volume of the net part.
    Bob La Londe
    -----------------------------------

    Thanks. If I design something I have to plan for maximum values, which I
    can always turn down. The 4500# 20' log on the sawmill and hoist
    intended for 2000# and 12' is a constant reminder of the problems of increasing capacity.



    In this case I was mostly just playing. I have some real parts I'd like
    to inject with ABS, but I don't think I have enough machine for it. I
    have considered I might set the whole machine in one of the presses, and
    push directly on the piston rod. 20 tons ought to do it doncha think.


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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Thu Jul 25 18:58:22 2024
    On 7/25/2024 6:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 7/25/2024 3:14 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:v7uhei$2f4on$1@dont-email.me...

    In this case I was mostly just playing.  I have some real parts I'd like
    to inject with ABS, but I don't think I have enough machine for it.  I
    have considered I might set the whole machine in one of the presses, and
    push directly on the piston rod.  20 tons ought to do it doncha think.
    Bob La Londe

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    According to John Taylor 20 tons is the chamber pressure of a .577
    elephant rifle which can solve any problem it's applied to.
    (Cordite's pressure increases in African heat.)
    However that solution is said to kill at one end and maim at the other.



    Ah, one of those older lower pressure rounds.  Lots of modern cartridges
    run around 50,000-55,000 PSI.



    With that much surface area on the base of the bullet you don't need
    a lot of pressure .
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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Jul 25 16:41:30 2024
    On 7/25/2024 3:14 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:v7uhei$2f4on$1@dont-email.me...

    In this case I was mostly just playing.  I have some real parts I'd like
    to inject with ABS, but I don't think I have enough machine for it.  I
    have considered I might set the whole machine in one of the presses, and
    push directly on the piston rod.  20 tons ought to do it doncha think.
    Bob La Londe

    -------------------------

    According to John Taylor 20 tons is the chamber pressure of a .577
    elephant rifle which can solve any problem it's applied to.
    (Cordite's pressure increases in African heat.)
    However that solution is said to kill at one end and maim at the other.



    Ah, one of those older lower pressure rounds. Lots of modern cartridges
    run around 50,000-55,000 PSI.


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  • From Gerry@21:1/5 to muratlanne@gmail.com on Thu Jul 25 23:42:48 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:14:38 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:v7uhei$2f4on$1@dont-email.me...

    In this case I was mostly just playing. I have some real parts I'd like
    to inject with ABS, but I don't think I have enough machine for it. I
    have considered I might set the whole machine in one of the presses, and
    push directly on the piston rod. 20 tons ought to do it doncha think.
    Bob La Londe

    -------------------------

    According to John Taylor 20 tons is the chamber pressure of a .577 elephant >rifle which can solve any problem it's applied to.
    (Cordite's pressure increases in African heat.)
    However that solution is said to kill at one end and maim at the other.
    You gotta make the first shot count, 'cause you're to far away for a
    second try!

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Jul 26 10:04:01 2024
    On 7/25/2024 4:58 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 7/25/2024 6:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 7/25/2024 3:14 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:v7uhei$2f4on$1@dont-email.me...

    In this case I was mostly just playing.  I have some real parts I'd like >>> to inject with ABS, but I don't think I have enough machine for it.  I
    have considered I might set the whole machine in one of the presses, and >>> push directly on the piston rod.  20 tons ought to do it doncha think.
    Bob La Londe

    -------------------------

    According to John Taylor 20 tons is the chamber pressure of a .577
    elephant rifle which can solve any problem it's applied to.
    (Cordite's pressure increases in African heat.)
    However that solution is said to kill at one end and maim at the other.



    Ah, one of those older lower pressure rounds.  Lots of modern
    cartridges run around 50,000-55,000 PSI.



      With that much surface area on the base of the bullet you don't need
    a lot of pressure .

    Oh, there is no question that those older big bores carried a lot of
    energy. A Sharps 50 (and other rifles) killed a lot of Buffalo.

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