"Bob La Londe"Â wrote in message news:vv8qd8$2e9h9$1@dont-email.me...
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and
the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs
it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one
end and carrying it into place was definitely out. ------------------------------
Sorry, can't help, that's twice the weight I can lift and move by myself
with home made equipment.
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A buddy of mine hauls containers from the coast and sells them locally.
He picked up 3 for a customer and after he got back with the third one
they decided they only wanted two right now. He offered it to me
delivered for a couple hundred bucks less than the before delivery and
tax price of the local yard full of ex border wall containers. I didn't take advantage of my buddy. I know what he pays for them.
The concrete slab behind my shop is where I want it, but it was
completely full of scrap, so I had him drop it next to the slab on some timbers (old guard rail posts) that would leave it sitting above the slab.
I spent all day yesterday and most of the day today moving steel, old machinery, and trash. It even inspired me to put several large pieces
in the dumpster that I had been keeping just in case. An old utility trailer body, an old DeWalt industrial radial arm saw the last of the
steel bins full of stuff that came with the steel work bench John Apple
gave me.
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and
the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs
it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one
end and carrying it into place was definitely out.
I ran a chain through the foot on the container, ran another chain
around the safety bollard (concrete filled six inch well casing) by my
rear overhead door and stuck a come-a-long in between the two chains.
Doubled up of course. With the chains and cable anchoring one end I can bump the other end with the tractor buck and it moves several inches.
With the tractor up against the container at that end, the tires spun
down into the dirt, the bucket dug in, and the parking brake on I can
move the end with the chains an inch or two at a stroke with the come-a-long. It feels like the more of the weight that is on the
concrete the easier it gets. By that I mean it feels the same, but my
arms are getting weaker and I can still move it so...
I've got it about half way in the slab right now. Had to take a break
and get some water. Well that's enough screwing around. Back to work.
On 5/4/2025 5:40 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:Which proves my father right in that "neighbour are wat you make
A buddy of mine hauls containers from the coast and sells them locally.
He picked up 3 for a customer and after he got back with the third one
they decided they only wanted two right now. He offered it to me
delivered for a couple hundred bucks less than the before delivery and
tax price of the local yard full of ex border wall containers. I didn't
take advantage of my buddy. I know what he pays for them.
The concrete slab behind my shop is where I want it, but it was
completely full of scrap, so I had him drop it next to the slab on some
timbers (old guard rail posts) that would leave it sitting above the slab. >>
I spent all day yesterday and most of the day today moving steel, old
machinery, and trash. It even inspired me to put several large pieces
in the dumpster that I had been keeping just in case. An old utility
trailer body, an old DeWalt industrial radial arm saw the last of the
steel bins full of stuff that came with the steel work bench John Apple
gave me.
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and
the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs
it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one
end and carrying it into place was definitely out.
I ran a chain through the foot on the container, ran another chain
around the safety bollard (concrete filled six inch well casing) by my
rear overhead door and stuck a come-a-long in between the two chains.
Doubled up of course. With the chains and cable anchoring one end I can
bump the other end with the tractor buck and it moves several inches.
With the tractor up against the container at that end, the tires spun
down into the dirt, the bucket dug in, and the parking brake on I can
move the end with the chains an inch or two at a stroke with the
come-a-long. It feels like the more of the weight that is on the
concrete the easier it gets. By that I mean it feels the same, but my
arms are getting weaker and I can still move it so...
I've got it about half way in the slab right now. Had to take a break
and get some water. Well that's enough screwing around. Back to work.
I - and 4 of the best neighbors that ever walked this earth - spent
the last 2 days putting 1X10 rough cut pine board siding on my house .
It looks fuckinawesome .
One of these neighbors runs a home repair/construction business . I
told him I wanted to hire him to do this job , next thing I know he's
telling me he's organizing the neighbors to come help , for free . It
seem charging only for parts when I fix stuff they broke has earned me
some karma . Balance is everything . Having a machine shop can shift the >point of balance ...
Couple kids jumped a berm on the alfalfa field to my south in their jeep
and high centered one day. They asked me for some help. I fired up
the tractor, and brought some shovels. I told them I'd only pull them
out if they agreed to reshape the berm before they left. After they
were gone I called a pro farmer buddy of mine to find out who owned the field, and called him to let him know what happened and that he might
want to take a look before the next time he irrigated. Don't even
remember his name.
One of these neighbors runs a home repair/construction business . I
told him I wanted to hire him to do this job , next thing I know he's
telling me he's organizing the neighbors to come help , for free . It
seem charging only for parts when I fix stuff they broke has earned me
some karma . Balance is everything . Having a machine shop can shift the
point of balance ...
Which proves my father right in that "neighbour are wat you make
them!"
On 5/5/2025 12:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Couple kids jumped a berm on the alfalfa field to my south in their
jeep and high centered one day. They asked me for some help. I
fired up the tractor, and brought some shovels. I told them I'd only
pull them out if they agreed to reshape the berm before they left.
After they were gone I called a pro farmer buddy of mine to find out
who owned the field, and called him to let him know what happened and
that he might want to take a look before the next time he irrigated.
Don't even remember his name.
I made them agree to fix the berm with shovels because I was hoping to convince them to do their drinking at home or camp out in the desert
like me and my buddies did when we were younger. If you camp out you go
don't go home until you've slept, because the next time you might wind
up in the canal instead of a field. I doubt I had any impact, but I tried.
A buddy of mine hauls containers from the coast and sells them locally.
He picked up 3 for a customer and after he got back with the third one
they decided they only wanted two right now. He offered it to me
delivered for a couple hundred bucks less than the before delivery and
tax price of the local yard full of ex border wall containers. I didn't take advantage of my buddy. I know what he pays for them.
The concrete slab behind my shop is where I want it, but it was
completely full of scrap, so I had him drop it next to the slab on some timbers (old guard rail posts) that would leave it sitting above the slab.
I spent all day yesterday and most of the day today moving steel, old machinery, and trash. It even inspired me to put several large pieces
in the dumpster that I had been keeping just in case. An old utility trailer body, an old DeWalt industrial radial arm saw the last of the
steel bins full of stuff that came with the steel work bench John Apple
gave me.
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and
the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs
it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one
end and carrying it into place was definitely out.
I ran a chain through the foot on the container, ran another chain
around the safety bollard (concrete filled six inch well casing) by my
rear overhead door and stuck a come-a-long in between the two chains.
Doubled up of course. With the chains and cable anchoring one end I can bump the other end with the tractor buck and it moves several inches.
With the tractor up against the container at that end, the tires spun
down into the dirt, the bucket dug in, and the parking brake on I can
move the end with the chains an inch or two at a stroke with the come-a- long. It feels like the more of the weight that is on the concrete the easier it gets. By that I mean it feels the same, but my arms are
getting weaker and I can still move it so...
I've got it about half way in the slab right now. Had to take a break
and get some water. Well that's enough screwing around. Back to work.
On 5/4/2025 3:40 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
A buddy of mine hauls containers from the coast and sells them locally.
He picked up 3 for a customer and after he got back with the third one
they decided they only wanted two right now. He offered it to me
delivered for a couple hundred bucks less than the before delivery and
tax price of the local yard full of ex border wall containers. I didn't
take advantage of my buddy. I know what he pays for them.
The concrete slab behind my shop is where I want it, but it was
completely full of scrap, so I had him drop it next to the slab on some
timbers (old guard rail posts) that would leave it sitting above the slab. >>
I spent all day yesterday and most of the day today moving steel, old
machinery, and trash. It even inspired me to put several large pieces
in the dumpster that I had been keeping just in case. An old utility
trailer body, an old DeWalt industrial radial arm saw the last of the
steel bins full of stuff that came with the steel work bench John Apple
gave me.
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and
the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs
it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one
end and carrying it into place was definitely out.
I ran a chain through the foot on the container, ran another chain
around the safety bollard (concrete filled six inch well casing) by my
rear overhead door and stuck a come-a-long in between the two chains.
Doubled up of course. With the chains and cable anchoring one end I can
bump the other end with the tractor buck and it moves several inches.
With the tractor up against the container at that end, the tires spun
down into the dirt, the bucket dug in, and the parking brake on I can
move the end with the chains an inch or two at a stroke with the come-a-
long. It feels like the more of the weight that is on the concrete the
easier it gets. By that I mean it feels the same, but my arms are
getting weaker and I can still move it so...
I've got it about half way in the slab right now. Had to take a break
and get some water. Well that's enough screwing around. Back to work.
I think I've settled on the ninety by twenty-four by ninety heavy duty >shelves from Home Depot. With a height of ninety inches, that leaves me
a little less than two feet on the top shelf to the ceiling. They aren't >cheap. I was thinking five sets of shelves down each side. That's a fair >amount of money. I was wrong.
The shelves are capable of linking together, and they come with five
shelves per set. I don't really need a bottom shelf, and I was thinking
for the first 2 sets by the door I would leave out half the shelving so
I could roll in a table saw, bandsaw, miter saw on a stand, et cetera.
That's all stuff I don't use all that often, and when I do I prefer to
use it outdoors. That means with 3 shelving sets I can easily have 5
spans. I'm not even worried about stability loss from not using a bottom >shelf. Linking them together adds some of that back, and if I still feel
it needs more they come with tabs welded on the uprights for anchoring
to a floor. I'm not crazy about drilling holes in the floor of the
container, but if I have to make that compromise to get other things to
come together, I will. It will leave a little 3 feet at 1 end or the
other of wall space, with shelves, but I can always get a small yellow >shelving unit or build one if I need more shelves.
On Wed, 7 May 2025 13:15:35 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:40 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
A buddy of mine hauls containers from the coast and sells them locally.
He picked up 3 for a customer and after he got back with the third one
they decided they only wanted two right now. He offered it to me
delivered for a couple hundred bucks less than the before delivery and
tax price of the local yard full of ex border wall containers. I didn't >>> take advantage of my buddy. I know what he pays for them.
The concrete slab behind my shop is where I want it, but it was
completely full of scrap, so I had him drop it next to the slab on some
timbers (old guard rail posts) that would leave it sitting above the slab. >>>
I spent all day yesterday and most of the day today moving steel, old
machinery, and trash. It even inspired me to put several large pieces
in the dumpster that I had been keeping just in case. An old utility
trailer body, an old DeWalt industrial radial arm saw the last of the
steel bins full of stuff that came with the steel work bench John Apple
gave me.
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and
the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs >>> it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one
end and carrying it into place was definitely out.
I ran a chain through the foot on the container, ran another chain
around the safety bollard (concrete filled six inch well casing) by my
rear overhead door and stuck a come-a-long in between the two chains.
Doubled up of course. With the chains and cable anchoring one end I can >>> bump the other end with the tractor buck and it moves several inches.
With the tractor up against the container at that end, the tires spun
down into the dirt, the bucket dug in, and the parking brake on I can
move the end with the chains an inch or two at a stroke with the come-a- >>> long. It feels like the more of the weight that is on the concrete the >>> easier it gets. By that I mean it feels the same, but my arms are
getting weaker and I can still move it so...
I've got it about half way in the slab right now. Had to take a break
and get some water. Well that's enough screwing around. Back to work. >>>
I think I've settled on the ninety by twenty-four by ninety heavy duty
shelves from Home Depot. With a height of ninety inches, that leaves me
a little less than two feet on the top shelf to the ceiling. They aren't
cheap. I was thinking five sets of shelves down each side. That's a fair
amount of money. I was wrong.
The shelves are capable of linking together, and they come with five
shelves per set. I don't really need a bottom shelf, and I was thinking
for the first 2 sets by the door I would leave out half the shelving so
I could roll in a table saw, bandsaw, miter saw on a stand, et cetera.
That's all stuff I don't use all that often, and when I do I prefer to
use it outdoors. That means with 3 shelving sets I can easily have 5
spans. I'm not even worried about stability loss from not using a bottom
shelf. Linking them together adds some of that back, and if I still feel
it needs more they come with tabs welded on the uprights for anchoring
to a floor. I'm not crazy about drilling holes in the floor of the
container, but if I have to make that compromise to get other things to
come together, I will. It will leave a little 3 feet at 1 end or the
other of wall space, with shelves, but I can always get a small yellow
shelving unit or build one if I need more shelves.
Many years ago I was also looking for adjustable wire-shelf shelving,
and found that buying directly from industrial sources was far
cheaper, and yielded far better shelving.
Joe
"Bob La Londe"Â wrote in message news:vvllee$2vttp$2@dont-email.me...
I have built some very heavy duty shelving many times from 2x
construction lumber and plywood, but being joined with framing nails and
ring nails means its not easily reconfigurable. At one time I was
making so much of it I had two framing nailers so I could swap from
framing to sheeting without reloading my gun.
----------------------------
I've been using Torx head structural screws from the big box stores to
build heavy shed shelving and attach 2x4 diagonal bracing to my timber
framed firewood sheds for two decades, and they've held the weight of a
NH snow load and me climbing the shelves, as their framing is full
height 2x3s with an open attic space above for skis etc. The screws
drive like drywall screws, and being hardened hold like lag screws, and
they remove easily for modifications. Their ceramic coating protects
them from rusting pretty well.
The shelves are 2' deep to use plywood efficiently and because I can't
reach much further. That shed is 8' wide outside like a High Cube, and
the interior space between racks is narrow enough to climb using the
uprights and shelf edges, an arm and leg on each side. A temporary
plywood table bridging the racks supports whatever I'm storing or
retrieving, high enough to reach the attic. The floor aisle width is
less because I can store stacked paint cans, long handled garden tools
and boxed equipment on the sides.
The shelf racks stop short of the door to leave space for tall objects,
an 8' and shorter stepladders and the gantry hoist track channels plus spares. Their uprights are attached to the rafter ties at the top. This
is a very nice, light weight and stable stepladder: https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Werner-8-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladder-12-ft- Reach-Height-with-250-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-I-Duty-Rating-368/100659876?
My idea for the roof has worked well. The roofing is corrugated steel on
the sunny side and clear corrugated polycarbonate for interior light on
the north. Every third 2' wide section is a removable hatch that rests
on cleats, so I can stand up through the openings and reach to the
center of each pair of panels to drive their screws, or remove and
replace damaged ones. The hatches slide under and catch on the ridge cap
and latch with screen door hooks at the lower end.
jsw
On 5/9/2025 8:48 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 13:15:35 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:40 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
A buddy of mine hauls containers from the coast and sells them locally. >>>> He picked up 3 for a customer and after he got back with the third one >>>> they decided they only wanted two right now. He offered it to me
delivered for a couple hundred bucks less than the before delivery and >>>> tax price of the local yard full of ex border wall containers. I didn't >>>> take advantage of my buddy. I know what he pays for them.
The concrete slab behind my shop is where I want it, but it was
completely full of scrap, so I had him drop it next to the slab on some >>>> timbers (old guard rail posts) that would leave it sitting above the slab. >>>>
I spent all day yesterday and most of the day today moving steel, old
machinery, and trash. It even inspired me to put several large pieces >>>> in the dumpster that I had been keeping just in case. An old utility
trailer body, an old DeWalt industrial radial arm saw the last of the
steel bins full of stuff that came with the steel work bench John Apple >>>> gave me.
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and >>>> the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs >>>> it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one >>>> end and carrying it into place was definitely out.
I ran a chain through the foot on the container, ran another chain
around the safety bollard (concrete filled six inch well casing) by my >>>> rear overhead door and stuck a come-a-long in between the two chains.
Doubled up of course. With the chains and cable anchoring one end I can >>>> bump the other end with the tractor buck and it moves several inches.
With the tractor up against the container at that end, the tires spun
down into the dirt, the bucket dug in, and the parking brake on I can
move the end with the chains an inch or two at a stroke with the come-a- >>>> long. It feels like the more of the weight that is on the concrete the >>>> easier it gets. By that I mean it feels the same, but my arms are
getting weaker and I can still move it so...
I've got it about half way in the slab right now. Had to take a break >>>> and get some water. Well that's enough screwing around. Back to work. >>>>
I think I've settled on the ninety by twenty-four by ninety heavy duty
shelves from Home Depot. With a height of ninety inches, that leaves me
a little less than two feet on the top shelf to the ceiling. They aren't >>> cheap. I was thinking five sets of shelves down each side. That's a fair >>> amount of money. I was wrong.
The shelves are capable of linking together, and they come with five
shelves per set. I don't really need a bottom shelf, and I was thinking
for the first 2 sets by the door I would leave out half the shelving so
I could roll in a table saw, bandsaw, miter saw on a stand, et cetera.
That's all stuff I don't use all that often, and when I do I prefer to
use it outdoors. That means with 3 shelving sets I can easily have 5
spans. I'm not even worried about stability loss from not using a bottom >>> shelf. Linking them together adds some of that back, and if I still feel >>> it needs more they come with tabs welded on the uprights for anchoring
to a floor. I'm not crazy about drilling holes in the floor of the
container, but if I have to make that compromise to get other things to
come together, I will. It will leave a little 3 feet at 1 end or the
other of wall space, with shelves, but I can always get a small yellow
shelving unit or build one if I need more shelves.
Many years ago I was also looking for adjustable wire-shelf shelving,
and found that buying directly from industrial sources was far
cheaper, and yielded far better shelving.
Joe
Can you make some suggestions on where to look? I did quite a bit of >searching online including "industrial suppliers" and everything was
more expensive except a similar set from CostCo with one fewer set of
shelf hardware in each box.
I can find actual industrial pallet racking from a number of sources,
but this intermediate heavy duty shelving not so much. One of my goals
here is to be able (for atleast the first several years anyway) to walk
from front to back unobstructed. With pallet racking that would only be >possible if I split into two much smaller men.
I have built some very heavy duty shelving many times from 2x
construction lumber and plywood, but being joined with framing nails and
ring nails means its not easily reconfigurable. At one time I was
making so much of it I had two framing nailers so I could swap from
framing to sheeting without reloading my gun.
FYI: The old Harbor Freight framing nailer will work for about 1000
framing nails before it blows a head gasket. Then, it seems nothing you
do will keep it sealed up. Rigid and Porter cable... no problems so far.
I think for now I'll just have to settle for shelving down one side.
Well, at least until another big customer pays me for a big job.
--2X lumber uprights with holes every 6 inches for dowels, pipes, or
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
On 5/9/2025 8:48 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2025 13:15:35 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 5/4/2025 3:40 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
A buddy of mine hauls containers from the coast and sells them locally. >>>> He picked up 3 for a customer and after he got back with the third one >>>> they decided they only wanted two right now. He offered it to me
delivered for a couple hundred bucks less than the before delivery and >>>> tax price of the local yard full of ex border wall containers. I didn't >>>> take advantage of my buddy. I know what he pays for them.
The concrete slab behind my shop is where I want it, but it was
completely full of scrap, so I had him drop it next to the slab on some >>>> timbers (old guard rail posts) that would leave it sitting above the slab. >>>>
I spent all day yesterday and most of the day today moving steel, old
machinery, and trash. It even inspired me to put several large pieces >>>> in the dumpster that I had been keeping just in case. An old utility
trailer body, an old DeWalt industrial radial arm saw the last of the
steel bins full of stuff that came with the steel work bench John Apple >>>> gave me.
I thought I might be able to push the container onto the slab with my
little tractor, but that just wasn't working. I'd push one end in and >>>> the other would swing out. I kind of expected that. At about 8500 lbs >>>> it far exceeds the 750 rated load of the tractor bucket, so lifting one >>>> end and carrying it into place was definitely out.
I ran a chain through the foot on the container, ran another chain
around the safety bollard (concrete filled six inch well casing) by my >>>> rear overhead door and stuck a come-a-long in between the two chains.
Doubled up of course. With the chains and cable anchoring one end I can >>>> bump the other end with the tractor buck and it moves several inches.
With the tractor up against the container at that end, the tires spun
down into the dirt, the bucket dug in, and the parking brake on I can
move the end with the chains an inch or two at a stroke with the come-a- >>>> long. It feels like the more of the weight that is on the concrete the >>>> easier it gets. By that I mean it feels the same, but my arms are
getting weaker and I can still move it so...
I've got it about half way in the slab right now. Had to take a break >>>> and get some water. Well that's enough screwing around. Back to work. >>>>
I think I've settled on the ninety by twenty-four by ninety heavy duty
shelves from Home Depot. With a height of ninety inches, that leaves me
a little less than two feet on the top shelf to the ceiling. They aren't >>> cheap. I was thinking five sets of shelves down each side. That's a fair >>> amount of money. I was wrong.
The shelves are capable of linking together, and they come with five
shelves per set. I don't really need a bottom shelf, and I was thinking
for the first 2 sets by the door I would leave out half the shelving so
I could roll in a table saw, bandsaw, miter saw on a stand, et cetera.
That's all stuff I don't use all that often, and when I do I prefer to
use it outdoors. That means with 3 shelving sets I can easily have 5
spans. I'm not even worried about stability loss from not using a bottom >>> shelf. Linking them together adds some of that back, and if I still feel >>> it needs more they come with tabs welded on the uprights for anchoring
to a floor. I'm not crazy about drilling holes in the floor of the
container, but if I have to make that compromise to get other things to
come together, I will. It will leave a little 3 feet at 1 end or the
other of wall space, with shelves, but I can always get a small yellow
shelving unit or build one if I need more shelves.
Many years ago I was also looking for adjustable wire-shelf shelving,
and found that buying directly from industrial sources was far
cheaper, and yielded far better shelving.
Joe
Can you make some suggestions on where to look? I did quite a bit of >searching online including "industrial suppliers" and everything was
more expensive except a similar set from CostCo with one fewer set of
shelf hardware in each box.
I can find actual industrial pallet racking from a number of sources,
but this intermediate heavy duty shelving not so much. One of my goals
here is to be able (for atleast the first several years anyway) to walk
from front to back unobstructed. With pallet racking that would only be >possible if I split into two much smaller men.
I have built some very heavy duty shelving many times from 2x
construction lumber and plywood, but being joined with framing nails and
ring nails means its not easily reconfigurable. At one time I was
making so much of it I had two framing nailers so I could swap from
framing to sheeting without reloading my gun.
FYI: The old Harbor Freight framing nailer will work for about 1000
framing nails before it blows a head gasket. Then, it seems nothing you
do will keep it sealed up. Rigid and Porter cable... no problems so far.
I think for now I'll just have to settle for shelving down one side.
Well, at least until another big customer pays me for a big job.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
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