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3. TELL ME HOW, Buddy Holly & The Crickets (1958)
15. HUSH YOUR MOUTH, Huey “Piano” Smith & The Clowns (1958)
25. WHERE OR WHEN, Dion & The Belmonts (1960)
27. SHE SAY (Oom Dooby Doom), The Diamonds (1959)
41. FANNIE MAE, Buster Brown (1960)
Even with all of your crossover shit, the Huey Smith was not out yet in 1958. Where did you get that 1958 date from on "Hush Your Mouth?"
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:41:18 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Even with all of your crossover shit, the Huey Smith was not out yet in 1958. Where did you get that 1958 date from on "Hush Your Mouth?"
Memory lapse. I have more of them as I age.
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:41:18 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Even with all of your crossover shit, the Huey Smith was not out yet in 1958. Where did you get that 1958 date from on "Hush Your Mouth?"
Memory lapse. I have more of them as I age.Tell me about it.
Hey, Dennis left the group, you should be happy. And he left over the Trump bashing by a few of us.
Hey, Dennis left the group, you should be happy. And he left over the Trump bashing by a few of us.
Hey, Dennis left the group, you should be happy. And he left over the Trump bashing by a few of us.
Well I for one am not happy about Dennis leaving. This is a MUSIC group and peoples political views should not matter. Yes I know that statement makes me a hypocrite I suppose since I've aired political views here
myself too. But whether in USA or UK we all of us here live in supposedly democratic tolerant societies that allow all shades of opinion---and as well as on music,on politics too
On Monday, 28 August 2023 at 05:43:34 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:41:18 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Tell me about it.
Even with all of your crossover shit, the Huey Smith was not out yet in >>>> 1958. Where did you get that 1958 date from on "Hush Your Mouth?"
Memory lapse. I have more of them as I age.
Hey, Dennis left the group, you should be happy. And he left over the Trump >> bashing by a few of us.
Well I for one am not happy about Dennis leaving. This is a MUSIC group and peoples political views should not matter. Yes I know that statement makes me a hypocrite I suppose since I've aired political views here myself too. But whether in USA or UK we all of us here live in supposedly democratic tolerant societies that allow all shades of opinion---and as well as on music,on politics too
On Monday, 28 August 2023 at 05:43:34 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:all of us here live in supposedly democratic tolerant societies that allow all shades of opinion---and as well as on music,on politics too
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:53:35?PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:41:18?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Tell me about it.
Even with all of your crossover shit, the Huey Smith was not out yet in 1958. Where did you get that 1958 date from on "Hush Your Mouth?"
Memory lapse. I have more of them as I age.
Hey, Dennis left the group, you should be happy. And he left over the Trump bashing by a few of us.
Well I for one am not happy about Dennis leaving. This is a MUSIC group and peoples political views should not matter. Yes I know that statement makes me a hypocrite I suppose since I've aired political views here myself too. But whether in USA or UK we
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Hey, Dennis left the group, you should be happy. And he left over the Trump bashing by a few of us.Seriously? I didn't think he was that much of a pussy.
Oh, well. Oz had flying monkeys; MAGA has crying honkies.
On Aug 28, 2023 at 12:32:42 AM CDT, "Roger Ford" <mari...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Well I for one am not happy about Dennis leaving. This is a MUSIC group and
peoples political views should not matter.
Amen
Nobody forced Dennis to leave the group. Like all MAGAs, he talked a good game but was a thin-skinned coward when push came to shove. I say fuck him.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 1:32:44 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
Well I for one am not happy about Dennis leaving. This is a MUSIC group and peoples political views should not matter. Yes I know that statement makes me a hypocrite I suppose since I've aired political views hereNobody forced Dennis to leave the group. Like all MAGAs, he talked a good game but was a thin-skinned coward when push came to shove. I say fuck him.
myself too. But whether in USA or UK we all of us here live in supposedly democratic tolerant societies that allow all shades of opinion---and as well as on music,on politics too
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:14?AM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
Nobody forced Dennis to leave the group. Like all MAGAs, he talked a good game but was a thin-skinned coward when push came to shove. I say fuck him.
Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.
On Monday, 28 August 2023 at 05:43:34 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:we all of us here live in supposedly democratic tolerant societies that allow all shades of opinion---and as well as on music,on politics too
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:53:35 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:41:18 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Tell me about it.
Even with all of your crossover shit, the Huey Smith was not out yet in 1958. Where did you get that 1958 date from on "Hush Your Mouth?"
Memory lapse. I have more of them as I age.
Hey, Dennis left the group, you should be happy. And he left over the Trump bashing by a few of us.
Well I for one am not happy about Dennis leaving. This is a MUSIC group and peoples political views should not matter. Yes I know that statement makes me a hypocrite I suppose since I've aired political views here myself too. But whether in USA or UK
This week's ROOTS ROCK RADIO is archive until September 10th at http://wrtc.streamrewind.com/bookmarks/listen/388953/rock-roots-rock-radio
Here's the playlist:
1. DUMPLIN’S, Doc Bagby (1957)
2. ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN, Chuck Berry (1956)
3. TELL ME HOW, Buddy Holly & The Crickets (1958)
4. ‘CAUSE YOU’RE MINE, The G-Clefs (1956)
5. LONG GONE DADDY, Pat Cupp & The Flying Saucers (1956)
6. PRISCILLA, Eddie Cooley & The Dimples (1956)
7. VOODOO VOODOO, LaVern Baker (1961 — Recorded 1958)
8. LONG TALL SALLY, Little Richard (1956)
9. WHO DO YOU LOVE, Bo Diddley (1956)
10. QUARTER TO THREE, Gary “U.S.” Bonds (1961)
11. IN THE STILL OF THE NITE (I’ll Remember), The Five Satins (1956)
12. MOON OF SILVER, Lillian Leach & The Mellows (1957)
13. NO GREATER LOVE, The Romancers (1961)
14. WHERE YOU AT, Lloyd Price (1953)
15. HUSH YOUR MOUTH, Huey “Piano” Smith & The Clowns (1958)
16. JEANIE, JEANIE, JEANIE, Eddie Cochran (1958)
17. STAY, Maurice Williams & The Zodiacs (1960)
18. OKIE’S IN THE POKIE, Jimmy Patton (1960)
19. YELLOW COAT, Screamin’ Jay Hawkins (1958)
20. I ONLY WANT YOU, The Passions (1960)
21. TROUBLE IN PARADISE, The Crests (1960)
22. YEP, Duane Eddy (1959)
23. A KISS FROM YOUR LIPS, The Flamingos (1956)
24. SO YOUNG, The Students (1958)
25. WHERE OR WHEN, Dion & The Belmonts (1960)
26. MR. LEE, The Bobbettes (1957)
27. SHE SAY (Oom Dooby Doom), The Diamonds (1959)
28. LITTLE SISTER, Elvis Presley (1961)
29. HOLD ME, HUG ME, ROCK ME, Gene Vincent & The Blue Caps (1957)
30. PINK PEDAL PUSHERS, Carl Perkins (1958)
31. A LOVER’S QUESTION, Clyde McPhatter (1958-59)
32. TEARDROPS FROM MY EYES, Ruth Brown (1950)
33. LOVIN’ MACHINE, Wynonie Harris (1952)
34. GREEN EYES, The Ravens (1955)
35. HERE IS WHY I LOVE YOU, The Spaniels (1958)
36. SOLDIER BOY, The Shirelles (1962)
37. DEVIL OR ANGEL, The Clovers (1956)
38. MISERLOU, Dick Dale & The Del-Tones (1962)
39. BIG BLON’ BABY, Jerry Lee Lewis (1959)
40. HONEY BOP, Wanda Jackson (1958)
41. FANNIE MAE, Buster Brown (1960)
42. HAVING A PARTY, Sam Cooke (1962)
43. UNCHAINED MELODY, Vito & The Salutations (1963)
44. POISON IVY, The Coasters (1959)
45. PALISADES PARK, Freddy Cannon (1962)
46. I WANT TO WALK YOU HOME, Fats Domino (1959)
47. NIGHT TRAIN, Jimmy Forrest (1952)
Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:14 AM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
Nobody forced Dennis to leave the group. Like all MAGAs, he talked a good game but was a thin-skinned coward when push came to shove. I say fuck him.Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.
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1. DUMPLIN’S, Doc Bagby (1957)
On Monday, 28 August 2023 at 15:57:43 UTC+1, Bill B wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 2:41:14 AM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:All day been wondering what a "MAGA" is
Nobody forced Dennis to leave the group. Like all MAGAs, he talked a good game but was a thin-skinned coward when push came to shove. I say fuck him.Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.
OK so without looking it up online let me take a not-so-educated guess
"Make America............"
How I'm doing so far?
OK so without looking it up online let me take a not-so-educated guess
"Make America............"
How I'm doing so far?
Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.
1. DUMPLIN’S, Doc Bagby (1957)
This, along with Wake Up Little Susie, was the very record I ever
bought. I wasn't that crazy about it, but my bother insisted, and you
know how persuasive older brothers can be.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:57:43 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.I get so-o-o tired of telling this to conservatives, especially since they never listen. But here we go again:
Liberals are accepting of people who have no control over their differences. We are under NO obligation to be nice to people who, through conscious effort, are hate-filled, bigoted assholes.
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:57:43 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.I get so-o-o tired of telling this to conservatives, especially since they never listen. But here we go again:
Liberals are accepting of people who have no control over their differences. We are under NO obligation to be nice to people who, through conscious effort, are hate-filled, bigoted assholes.
On Monday, 28 August 2023 at 23:16:37 UTC+1, Dean F. wrote:
On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 10:57:43 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Saying ALL MAGAs are cowards is intolerant and bigoted in its own way.I get so-o-o tired of telling this to conservatives, especially since they never listen. But here we go again:
Liberals are accepting of people who have no control over their differences. We are under NO obligation to be nice to people who, through conscious effort, are hate-filled, bigoted assholes.
I assume the above applies to left-winged hate-filled bigoted assholes as well as right-wing ones?
We have both kinds over here so I presume the same is true in the US of A
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.How so?
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.How so?
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.----------
On 8/29/2023 6:36 PM, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.----------
All the hate crimes I hear/read about have been committed by right-wing extremists. Obviously leftists have committed some acts of terrorism,
but these have been motivated by political ideology, not hatred of an
ethnic or religious group. And of course the people who shoot up gay nightclubs are always right-wingers or religious fanatics.
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 02:35:56 UTC+1, DianeE wrote:
On 8/29/2023 6:36 PM, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
from every angle (always portraying us as the villain of the various pieces of course) and who also passionately hate the USA and all it stands for big time----and also institutions like the State of Israel (and sometimes by extension the Jewish people)Then the situation there and the situation here must be vastly different in that we are blessed with both kinds of extremist--the right wing ones attacking (often physically)Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.----------
All the hate crimes I hear/read about have been committed by right-wing extremists. Obviously leftists have committed some acts of terrorism,
but these have been motivated by political ideology, not hatred of an ethnic or religious group. And of course the people who shoot up gay nightclubs are always right-wingers or religious fanatics.
mostly ethnic groups as you say (including the enormous influx of illegal immigrants daily arriving here by small boats from France) but also a good number of left wing ones who delight in attacking virtually the whole of British history and heritage
It's not just one sided you see----but fortunately most people here and most people of my acquaintance are either acceptably mildly right wing or mildly left wing or somewhere in the middle
Just like the folk inhabiting this tiny newsgroup
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.How so?
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.Can you give me an example of an American left winger who is a clear bigot?
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 02:35:56 UTC+1, DianeE wrote:from every angle (always portraying us as the villain of the various pieces of course) and who also passionately hate the USA and all it stands for big time----and also institutions like the State of Israel (and sometimes by extension the Jewish people)
On 8/29/2023 6:36 PM, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:----------
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.
All the hate crimes I hear/read about have been committed by right-wing
extremists. Obviously leftists have committed some acts of terrorism,
but these have been motivated by political ideology, not hatred of an
ethnic or religious group. And of course the people who shoot up gay
nightclubs are always right-wingers or religious fanatics.
Then the situation there and the situation here must be vastly different in that we are blessed with both kinds of extremist--the right wing ones attacking (often physically)
mostly ethnic groups as you say (including the enormous influx of illegal immigrants daily arriving here by small boats from France) but also a good number of left wing ones who delight in attacking virtually the whole of British history and heritage
On 8/30/2023 1:22 AM, Roger Ford wrote:------------
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 02:35:56 UTC+1, DianeE wrote:-------------
On 8/29/2023 6:36 PM, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:----------
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all
bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans.
Do you have a different experience?
Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.
All the hate crimes I hear/read about have been committed by right-wing
extremists. Obviously leftists have committed some acts of terrorism,
but these have been motivated by political ideology, not hatred of an
ethnic or religious group. And of course the people who shoot up gay
nightclubs are always right-wingers or religious fanatics.
Then the situation there and the situation here must be vastly
different in that we are blessed with both kinds of extremist--the
right wing ones attacking (often physically)
mostly ethnic groups as you say (including the enormous influx of
illegal immigrants daily arriving here by small boats from France) but
also a good number of left wing ones who delight in attacking
virtually the whole of British history and heritage from every angle
(always portraying us as the villain of the various pieces of course)
and who also passionately hate the USA and all it stands for big
time----and also institutions like the State of Israel (and sometimes
by extension the Jewish people)
We certainly have left-wingers here, and many of them express hatred of Israel that veers into anti-Semitism, but they are not the ones
*committing hate crimes*. That was my point.
On 8/30/2023 6:04 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Can you give me an example of an American left winger who is a clear bigot?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Al Sharpton-----------
Opportunist, con artist, probably a crook...but I don't see him as a
bigot. Unless you can see deeper inside him than I can.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:-----------
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Can you give me an example of an American left winger who is a clear bigot?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Al Sharpton
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
On 8/30/2023 6:04 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >>>>>Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers. >> Can you give me an example of an American left winger who is a clear bigot?
How so?Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
You think he likes white people? You're drawing a nonexistent line. The same "line" will eliminate most perceived bigots.Al Sharpton-----------
Opportunist, con artist, probably a crook...but I don't see him as a bigot. Unless you can see deeper inside him than I can.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.How so?
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Al SharptonWho you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers.Can you give me an example of an American left winger who is a clear bigot?
Definition of racist
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Do you think that Sharpton thinks that blacks are superior, because I don't think that at all. He just doesn't think that blacks are inferior the way that white supremacists do.
Do you think that there's any such thing as a black supremacist?
You think he likes white people?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:18:52 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Definition of racist
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Do you think that Sharpton thinks that blacks are superior, because I don't think that at all. He just doesn't think that blacks are inferior the way that white supremacists do.
Do you think that there's any such thing as a black supremacist?You're redefining bigot, which was your original challenge, to racist. Definition of bigot:
a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
That would make you a bigot per your own description:
There's lots of white people that I don't like, including all Trump supporters.
Okay, if you think that makes me a bigot, I'm okay with that. If I dislike all KKK members, does that also make me a bigot?
Bill, you're not one of these kooks who say that "reverse racism" is a bigger problem than racism, are you?
Definition of racist
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Do you think that Sharpton thinks that blacks are superior, because I don't think that at all. He just doesn't think that blacks are inferior the way that white supremacists do.
Do you think that there's any such thing as a black supremacist?
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:58:02 AM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:----------------
On 8/30/2023 6:04 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:39:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:-----------
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:24:24 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 6:00:13 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:Who you have encountered is much different than ALL the left wingers. >>>> Can you give me an example of an American left winger who is a clear bigot?
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:28:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:How so?
Over here not all right wingers are bigots and racists, but all bigots and racists are right wingers.
Not even remotely accurate.
All of the overt bigots I have ever encountered were Republicans. Do you have a different experience?
Al Sharpton
Opportunist, con artist, probably a crook...but I don't see him as a
bigot. Unless you can see deeper inside him than I can.
You think he likes white people? You're drawing a nonexistent line. The same "line" will eliminate most perceived bigots.
The economic and political power of the working class in Britain has
declined greatly - perhaps they would welcome a 'Donald trump' ?
On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 22:44:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
From what I am reading in this article.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/britain-becoming-more-liberal-open-society-but-we-are-ever-more-divided-too
It seems that the UK is becoming more and more liberal in recent years where now half the populations sees immigration as a good thing:
The middle-middle, upper-middle class, and retired comfortable upper-working-class boomers like Roger are not threatened by
immigration - so they can afford to vote 'liberal'.
On 8/30/2023 10:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
Definition of racist
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
Do you think that Sharpton thinks that blacks are superior, because I don't think that at all. He just doesn't think that blacks are inferior the way that white supremacists do.
Do you think that there's any such thing as a black supremacist?
-----------
Of course there is. These heavily armed "sovereign citizen" guys who
pop up in the news from time to time are Black supremacists. (And
they'll kill you if you spell it with a small b.)
From what I am reading in this article.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/britain-becoming-more-liberal-open-society-but-we-are-ever-more-divided-too
It seems that the UK is becoming more and more liberal in recent years where now half the populations sees immigration as a good thing:
The far left destroys property; the far right commits murder. I don't condone either action, but I know which one I find less objectionable.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:38:55 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
The far left destroys property; the far right commits murder. I don't condone either action, but I know which one I find less objectionable.
It depends on who is being murdered. :-)
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 12:15:45 PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 22:44:47 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
From what I am reading in this article.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/britain-becoming-more-liberal-open-society-but-we-are-ever-more-divided-too
It seems that the UK is becoming more and more liberal in recent years where now half the populations sees immigration as a good thing:
The middle-middle, upper-middle class, and retired comfortable upper-working-class boomers like Roger are not threatened byI think Roger was pretty much anti-immigration which is one reason why he voted for Brexit.
immigration - so they can afford to vote 'liberal'.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 2:06:47 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 1:38:55 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
The far left destroys property; the far right commits murder. I don't condone either action, but I know which one I find less objectionable.
It depends on who is being murdered. :-)So who has the far right murdered that you were okay with?
From what I am reading in this article.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/britain-becoming-more-liberal-open-society-but-we-are-ever-more-divided-too
It seems that the UK is becoming more and more liberal in recent years where now half the populations sees immigration as a good thing:
Here are some passages:
The immediate takeaway from the survey is that Britain is a nation that has become more liberal, more supportive of immigration and minorities and more inclusive in its understanding of national identity.
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 06:44:49 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
From what I am reading in this article.First of all "The Guardian" is the UK's most left wing daily paper and so follows the usual anti-Brexit and "all immigration is wonderful " mantra beloved of the British left.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/britain-becoming-more-liberal-open-society-but-we-are-ever-more-divided-too
It seems that the UK is becoming more and more liberal in recent years where now half the populations sees immigration as a good thing:
Here are some passages:
The immediate takeaway from the survey is that Britain is a nation that has become more liberal, more supportive of immigration and minorities and more inclusive in its understanding of national identity.
I'd say from personal experience that the the majority of people here whilst OK with legal immigration are definitely against the huge volume of ILLEGAL immigration which our Government seems powerless
to control
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:31:42 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford <mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 06:44:49 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
From what I am reading in this article.First of all "The Guardian" is the UK's most left wing daily paper and so follows the usual anti-Brexit and "all immigration is wonderful " mantra beloved of the British left.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/britain-becoming-more-liberal-open-society-but-we-are-ever-more-divided-too
It seems that the UK is becoming more and more liberal in recent years where now half the populations sees immigration as a good thing:
Here are some passages:
The immediate takeaway from the survey is that Britain is a nation that has become more liberal, more supportive of immigration and minorities and more inclusive in its understanding of national identity.
I'd say from personal experience that the the majority of people here whilst OK with legal immigration are definitely against the huge volume of ILLEGAL immigration which our Government seems powerless
to control
"The Pew Research Center estimates that more than 7.5 million
undocumented immigrants are in the U.S. labor force. Assuming their unemployment rate is roughly equal to the 3.7 percent national
average, that means more than 7 million jobs are held by undocumented workers. That can’t help but depress wages and opportunities for native-born American." -- The Washington Post
Illegal immigration that results in the native population from getting
jobs is a result of shyster employers hiring illegals with the hopes
that they can keep them at very low wages for working longer hours.
Which is the fundemental problem with Capitalism: lust for money. In
places in the U.S. they are even put kids to work which is illegal as
all get out as well.
What Roger is against is ILLEGAL immigration and the British Government's feeble response to an ever growing
number of Channel immigrants who appear to get 4 star hotel treatment (paid by the UK tax payer) when they get
here (and no, I am NOT making this up)
I think I would be OK with Trump, be it from left or right. When he got elected, I predicted he would be impeached or assassinated.
It all boils down to this:tried to overthrow our democracy and led an assault on the Capitol; the Dennises of America still think Donald Trump is a great man, and want him to be president again.
After four years of dysfunction; after all the loathsome, juvenile rhetoric; after two impeachments; after 91 felony charges; after numerous allegations of sexual assault; after he repeatedly made lewd comments about his own daughter; and after he
Illegal Channel imigrants appear to get 4 star hotel treatment (paid by the UK tax payer) when they get here.
You'd think they would hate {Trump} as much as they hate any yankee.
Maybe Bill is right, that they are far more anti-black than anti-yankee.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:09:10?PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
The question remains, why does Trump's diehard base 'love' him.
... Supporting Trump is entirely an emotional decision. His supporters
are not those who weight their options carefully and look at all the
issues to make their most logical choice. They are just unsophisticated dopes.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 15:21:07 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
You'd think they would hate {Trump} as much as they hate any yankee.Why do we see some enthusiastic Blacks, some holding placards, at
Maybe Bill is right, that they are far more anti-black than anti-yankee.
Trump rallies? I could be wrong, but I don't get the impression 'they'
hate Blacks - but then I don't hang out with those guys :-)
It could well be that Trump (and his supporters?) is anti-Mexican and anti-Muslim, but not anti-Black?.
ChatGPT:
"... however, Trump has also been praised by some African American
leaders for his efforts to improve criminal justice reform and funding
for historically Black colleges and universities ... Overall, it is difficult to make a definitive statement about how Trump's presidency
has affected race relations in America."
The question remains, why does Trump's diehard base 'love' him.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 18:21:46 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 9:09:10?PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
The question remains, why does Trump's diehard base 'love' him.
... Supporting Trump is entirely an emotional decision. His supporters
are not those who weight their options carefully and look at all the issues to make their most logical choice. They are just unsophisticated dopes.
OMG, does that include witty wordsmith, born 1953, Dennis?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 15:21:07 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <SavoyBG@aol.com>-----------
wrote:
You'd think they would hate {Trump} as much as they hate any yankee.
Maybe Bill is right, that they are far more anti-black than anti-yankee.
Why do we see some enthusiastic Blacks, some holding placards, at
Trump rallies? I could be wrong, but I don't get the impression 'they'
hate Blacks - but then I don't hang out with those guys :-)
It could well be that Trump (and his supporters?) is anti-Mexican and anti-Muslim, but not anti-Black?.
ChatGPT:
"... however, Trump has also been praised by some African American
leaders for his efforts to improve criminal justice reform and funding
for historically Black colleges and universities ... Overall, it is
difficult to make a definitive statement about how Trump's presidency
has affected race relations in America."
The question remains, why does Trump's diehard base 'love' him.
On 8/30/2023 4:37 PM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:31:42 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford-----------
<mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 06:44:49 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
From what I am reading in this article.First of all "The Guardian" is the UK's most left wing daily paper and so follows the usual anti-Brexit and "all immigration is wonderful " mantra beloved of the British left.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/25/britain-becoming-more-liberal-open-society-but-we-are-ever-more-divided-too
It seems that the UK is becoming more and more liberal in recent years where now half the populations sees immigration as a good thing:
Here are some passages:
The immediate takeaway from the survey is that Britain is a nation that has become more liberal, more supportive of immigration and minorities and more inclusive in its understanding of national identity.
I'd say from personal experience that the the majority of people here whilst OK with legal immigration are definitely against the huge volume of ILLEGAL immigration which our Government seems powerless
to control
"The Pew Research Center estimates that more than 7.5 million
undocumented immigrants are in the U.S. labor force. Assuming their
unemployment rate is roughly equal to the 3.7 percent national
average, that means more than 7 million jobs are held by undocumented
workers. That cant help but depress wages and opportunities for
native-born American." -- The Washington Post
Illegal immigration that results in the native population from getting
jobs is a result of shyster employers hiring illegals with the hopes
that they can keep them at very low wages for working longer hours.
Which is the fundemental problem with Capitalism: lust for money. In
places in the U.S. they are even put kids to work which is illegal as
all get out as well.
But in most cases the recent immigrants are doing jobs the "native >population" doesn't want to do--picking fruit, working in
slaughterhouses, driving yellow cabs in NYC...
That's true in many cases but the article I quoted from pointed out a situation in Mississippi that was an example of illegals getting jobs
over the local Black looking for work. This is apparently going on
with major food processors.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:47:50 PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:tried to overthrow our democracy and led an assault on the Capitol; the Dennises of America still think Donald Trump is a great man, and want him to be president again.
It all boils down to this:
After four years of dysfunction; after all the loathsome, juvenile rhetoric; after two impeachments; after 91 felony charges; after numerous allegations of sexual assault; after he repeatedly made lewd comments about his own daughter; and after he
That's what started this whole thing and led to Dennis leaving, me wondering how in the fuck that these Southern rubes continue to follow a New York City con man like Trump. You'd think they would hate him as much as they hate any yankee. Maybe Bill isright, that they are far more anti-black than anti-yankee.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 3:40:40 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:let them all in, we need people.
What Roger is against is ILLEGAL immigration and the British Government's feeble response to an ever growing
number of Channel immigrants who appear to get 4 star hotel treatment (paid by the UK tax payer) when they get
here (and no, I am NOT making this up)
I should have specified that you were against so called "illegal" immigration. That's the same thing that our right wingers are against, illegal immigration. They all say that are fine with legal immigration. Diane and me, and millions of others say,
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 11:38:49 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:say, let them all in, we need people.
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 23:16:38 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 3:40:40 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
What Roger is against is ILLEGAL immigration and the British Government's feeble response to an ever growing
number of Channel immigrants who appear to get 4 star hotel treatment (paid by the UK tax payer) when they get
here (and no, I am NOT making this up)
I should have specified that you were against so called "illegal" immigration. That's the same thing that our right wingers are against, illegal immigration. They all say that are fine with legal immigration. Diane and me, and millions of others
USA and there is also the added problem of the NHS (the National Health Service) that the USA doesn't have. The "free" medical service here which is already over stretched and made worse by these people who have never paid a penny into the UK tax systemThis is all very well for the USA but the UK is a MUCH smaller country. The USA is roughly FORTY times bigger in area than UK but the population is only five times larger so illegal immigrants here make much more difference here than they do in the
I don't know what the job situation is there, but here we have like 10 million jobs that need employees and Americans will not take those jobs. I se the unemployment rate there is 4.2%. Ours is a little lower now, but 4.2% would be considered a verygood number. I also see that there are 1.02 million unfilled jobs available in the UK. So adjusted for population there not as many as here, but there is still a very significant number of unfilled jobs there.
So your solution would be, they can't come here because the citizens of the UK were here first, so let them go back where they came from, or go somewhere else and be somebody else's problem. It doesn't matter where, as long as it's not here.
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 23:16:38 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:let them all in, we need people.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 3:40:40 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
What Roger is against is ILLEGAL immigration and the British Government's feeble response to an ever growing
number of Channel immigrants who appear to get 4 star hotel treatment (paid by the UK tax payer) when they get
here (and no, I am NOT making this up)
I should have specified that you were against so called "illegal" immigration. That's the same thing that our right wingers are against, illegal immigration. They all say that are fine with legal immigration. Diane and me, and millions of others say,
This is all very well for the USA but the UK is a MUCH smaller country. The USA is roughly FORTY times bigger in area than UK but the population is only five times larger so illegal immigrants here make much more difference here than they do in the USAand there is also the added problem of the NHS (the National Health Service) that the USA doesn't have. The "free" medical service here which is already over stretched and made worse by these people who have never paid a penny into the UK tax system in
My solution would be to do what Australia did in the same situation---turn the little boats back to whence they came. In this case back to France .They should apply for UK immigration or asylum status there and get this whole business on a proper legalfooting.
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:10:19 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:legal footing.
My solution would be to do what Australia did in the same situation---turn the little boats back to whence they came. In this case back to France .They should apply for UK immigration or asylum status there and get this whole business on a proper
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:10:19 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:legal footing.
My solution would be to do what Australia did in the same situation---turn the little boats back to whence they came. In this case back to France .They should apply for UK immigration or asylum status there and get this whole business on a proper
So here in the US we should send all of these people back to their original countries and let them be at the mercy of the gangs and cartels. It's not our problem, right?happens to them, happens to them, it's not the UK's problem, right? Luck of the draw, they were born in the wrong place.
If France will let them stay, then it will be their problem rather than the UK's problem, right. If France and other countries also take your stance, then they would eventually all have to go back to their original war torn countries, and whatever
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it in the first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 23:21:09 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:tried to overthrow our democracy and led an assault on the Capitol; the Dennises of America still think Donald Trump is a great man, and want him to be president again.
On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 5:47:50?PM UTC-4, Dean F. wrote:
It all boils down to this:
After four years of dysfunction; after all the loathsome, juvenile rhetoric; after two impeachments; after 91 felony charges; after numerous allegations of sexual assault; after he repeatedly made lewd comments about his own daughter; and after he
is right, that they are far more anti-black than anti-yankee.That's what started this whole thing and led to Dennis leaving, me wondering how in the fuck that these Southern rubes continue to follow a New York City con man like Trump. You'd think they would hate him as much as they hate any yankee. Maybe Bill
I don't think it's as simple as that
I spent a LOT of time down South and in some of the supposed "worst places" in Mississippi,Alabama etc on many trips over there and NEVER ONCE had any problem of this kind. Maybe the British accent
helped? :)
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 18:09:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, Oke She Moke She Pop wrote:
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it in the
I get it, you want it to be some other country's problem. You don't have to take anyone because you happen to be located in a spot that they can't go directly to from their original country. How convenient.Instead of translating my message to fit your narrative I'd appreciate if you'd quote what I actually said.
The current convention is that asylum seekers should apply for it in the first safe country they come to.
If they specifically wish to come to the UK then they should apply for asylum or refugee status via the British Embassy in whichever country they are in
I have nothing against asylum seekers or refugees coming here.
I have everything against asylum seekers or refugees coming here ILLEGALLY
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, Oke She Moke She Pop wrote:first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it in the
I get it, you want it to be some other country's problem. You don't have to take anyone because you happen to be located in a spot that they can't go directly to from their original country. How convenient.
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:58:52 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 18:09:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, Oke She Moke She Pop wrote:
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it in the
even do get approved.I get it, you want it to be some other country's problem. You don't have to take anyone because you happen to be located in a spot that they can't go directly to from their original country. How convenient.Instead of translating my message to fit your narrative I'd appreciate if you'd quote what I actually said.
The current convention is that asylum seekers should apply for it in the first safe country they come to.
If they specifically wish to come to the UK then they should apply for asylum or refugee status via the British Embassy in whichever country they are in
I have nothing against asylum seekers or refugees coming here.
I have everything against asylum seekers or refugees coming here ILLEGALLYYes, YOU'VE SAID THAT ALREADY.
The problem is that for most of them if they do it the way you want, they and/or their kids are liable to be dead or forced into gangs or living in abject total poverty, disease and danger by the time that your country tells them they can come, if they
If it was you and your family would you...
A - Apply legally and wait and hope you can stay alive in the long meantime?
OR
B - Just get the fuck out of the place where you are in danger and worry about legalities later?
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 21:05:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:the first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:58:52 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 18:09:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, Oke She Moke She Pop wrote:
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it in
they even do get approved.I get it, you want it to be some other country's problem. You don't have to take anyone because you happen to be located in a spot that they can't go directly to from their original country. How convenient.Instead of translating my message to fit your narrative I'd appreciate if you'd quote what I actually said.
The current convention is that asylum seekers should apply for it in the first safe country they come to.
If they specifically wish to come to the UK then they should apply for asylum or refugee status via the British Embassy in whichever country they are in
I have nothing against asylum seekers or refugees coming here.
I have everything against asylum seekers or refugees coming here ILLEGALLYYes, YOU'VE SAID THAT ALREADY.
The problem is that for most of them if they do it the way you want, they and/or their kids are liable to be dead or forced into gangs or living in abject total poverty, disease and danger by the time that your country tells them they can come, if
If it was you and your family would you...
A - Apply legally and wait and hope you can stay alive in the long meantime?
OR
B - Just get the fuck out of the place where you are in danger and worry about legalities later?
If we applied that argument then a huge percentage of the whole world would be coming here.
I sympathize with the point you raise but sadly we live in the real world.
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:55:49 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:the first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 21:05:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:58:52 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 18:09:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, Oke She Moke She Pop wrote:
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it in
they even do get approved.I get it, you want it to be some other country's problem. You don't have to take anyone because you happen to be located in a spot that they can't go directly to from their original country. How convenient.Instead of translating my message to fit your narrative I'd appreciate if you'd quote what I actually said.
The current convention is that asylum seekers should apply for it in the first safe country they come to.
If they specifically wish to come to the UK then they should apply for asylum or refugee status via the British Embassy in whichever country they are in
I have nothing against asylum seekers or refugees coming here.
I have everything against asylum seekers or refugees coming here ILLEGALLYYes, YOU'VE SAID THAT ALREADY.
The problem is that for most of them if they do it the way you want, they and/or their kids are liable to be dead or forced into gangs or living in abject total poverty, disease and danger by the time that your country tells them they can come, if
If it was you and your family would you...
A - Apply legally and wait and hope you can stay alive in the long meantime?
OR
B - Just get the fuck out of the place where you are in danger and worry about legalities later?
If we applied that argument then a huge percentage of the whole world would be coming here.I think the ones who are coming there would much rather come here, but if you're on continental Europe it's much more difficult and expensive to get to the USA than to the UK.
I sympathize with the point you raise but sadly we live in the real world.
But you don't sympathise enough to let them come there, right?
So you haven't answered yet, if you were in the situation that these refugees are in, would you choose A or B?
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:03:46 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:in the first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 22:13:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:55:49 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 21:05:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:58:52 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 18:09:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, Oke She Moke She Pop wrote:
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it
if they even do get approved.I get it, you want it to be some other country's problem. You don't have to take anyone because you happen to be located in a spot that they can't go directly to from their original country. How convenient.Instead of translating my message to fit your narrative I'd appreciate if you'd quote what I actually said.
The current convention is that asylum seekers should apply for it in the first safe country they come to.
If they specifically wish to come to the UK then they should apply for asylum or refugee status via the British Embassy in whichever country they are in
I have nothing against asylum seekers or refugees coming here.
I have everything against asylum seekers or refugees coming here ILLEGALLYYes, YOU'VE SAID THAT ALREADY.
The problem is that for most of them if they do it the way you want, they and/or their kids are liable to be dead or forced into gangs or living in abject total poverty, disease and danger by the time that your country tells them they can come,
each---for the privilege of getting here in totally unsafe flimsy "boats" with a very high risk of capsizing and drowning en route as an added bonus.If it was you and your family would you...
A - Apply legally and wait and hope you can stay alive in the long meantime?
OR
B - Just get the fuck out of the place where you are in danger and worry about legalities later?
I'd go along wit that but crossing the 3,000 odd miles of the Atlantic in a glorified rubber dingy is a slightly more formidable task than crossing the 20+ miles of the ChannelIf we applied that argument then a huge percentage of the whole world would be coming here.I think the ones who are coming there would much rather come here, but if you're on continental Europe it's much more difficult and expensive to get to the USA than to the UK.
I sympathize with the point you raise but sadly we live in the real world.
But you don't sympathise enough to let them come there, right?
But the ones coming here illegally in these small boats are ECONOMIC migrants---you do realize don't you that criminal gangs in France provide this "transport" for them to cross the Channel and charge these folk a fortune----often thousands of pounds
So after they somehow survive that trip and get to your shores, you want to send them back because it's possible you may have to pay a couple hundred more quid in taxes if they get to stay
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 22:13:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:in the first "safe" country they arrive in. Last time I looked France was certainly safe but they probably came thru other just as safe countries first in their quest to get to the UK
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 4:55:49 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 21:05:51 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:58:52 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Thursday, 31 August 2023 at 18:09:27 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:32:46 PM UTC-4, Oke She Moke She Pop wrote:
I'm not saying what the USA should do with illegals I'm saying what the UK ought to do. From here it's only 20+ miles to send them whence they came. Anyway there's some international convention that says asylum seekers should apply for it
if they even do get approved.I get it, you want it to be some other country's problem. You don't have to take anyone because you happen to be located in a spot that they can't go directly to from their original country. How convenient.Instead of translating my message to fit your narrative I'd appreciate if you'd quote what I actually said.
The current convention is that asylum seekers should apply for it in the first safe country they come to.
If they specifically wish to come to the UK then they should apply for asylum or refugee status via the British Embassy in whichever country they are in
I have nothing against asylum seekers or refugees coming here.
I have everything against asylum seekers or refugees coming here ILLEGALLYYes, YOU'VE SAID THAT ALREADY.
The problem is that for most of them if they do it the way you want, they and/or their kids are liable to be dead or forced into gangs or living in abject total poverty, disease and danger by the time that your country tells them they can come,
each---for the privilege of getting here in totally unsafe flimsy "boats" with a very high risk of capsizing and drowning en route as an added bonus.If it was you and your family would you...
A - Apply legally and wait and hope you can stay alive in the long meantime?
OR
B - Just get the fuck out of the place where you are in danger and worry about legalities later?
I'd go along wit that but crossing the 3,000 odd miles of the Atlantic in a glorified rubber dingy is a slightly more formidable task than crossing the 20+ miles of the ChannelIf we applied that argument then a huge percentage of the whole world would be coming here.I think the ones who are coming there would much rather come here, but if you're on continental Europe it's much more difficult and expensive to get to the USA than to the UK.
I sympathize with the point you raise but sadly we live in the real world.
But you don't sympathise enough to let them come there, right?
But the ones coming here illegally in these small boats are ECONOMIC migrants---you do realize don't you that criminal gangs in France provide this "transport" for them to cross the Channel and charge these folk a fortune----often thousands of pounds
So you haven't answered yet, if you were in the situation that these refugees are in, would you choose A or B?
Sadly I'd have to choose C---in the situation you describe I presumably wouldn't have the money in the first place to pay the boat gangsters to get here
So after they somehow survive that trip and get to your shores, you want to send them back because it's possible you may have to pay a couple hundred more quid in taxes if they get to staySigh!
One more time......
They should be sent back whence they came since they are illegal economic migrants who have paid big money to criminal gangs in France to get here.
Doesn't change their circumstances of living in abject total poverty, disease and danger.
On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
Doesn't change their circumstances of living in abject total poverty, disease and danger.
Roger is claiming that the people paying gangs to cross the channel
from France are *economic* migrants, meaning they are *not* living in "abject total poverty, disease and danger".
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 1:46:53?PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:United Nations uses the term migrant worker.
On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
Doesn't change their circumstances of living in abject total poverty, disease and danger.
Roger is claiming that the people paying gangs to cross the channel
from France are *economic* migrants, meaning they are *not* living in
"abject total poverty, disease and danger".
DEFINITION:
An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient. The
Roger really has no idea what percentage of the migrants are economic migrants, but even if 100% of them are, I have no problem with them leaving where they are to get to a better place to be.
On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 12:18:25 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>United Nations uses the term migrant worker.
wrote:
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 1:46:53?PM UTC-4, RWC wrote:
On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
Doesn't change their circumstances of living in abject total poverty, disease and danger.
Roger is claiming that the people paying gangs to cross the channel
from France are *economic* migrants, meaning they are *not* living in
"abject total poverty, disease and danger".
DEFINITION:
An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient. The
Roger really has no idea what percentage of the migrants are economic migrants, but even if 100% of them are, I have no problem with them leaving where they are to get to a better place to be.Bruce, in 2021 it was estimated that up to 900 million people would
like to leave their country for a "better place". So, just to confirm,
you would have no problem in, say, 300+ million coming to the US?
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 2:55:21 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
ABOUT ILLEGAL?So after they somehow survive that trip and get to your shores, you want to send them back because it's possible you may have to pay a couple hundred more quid in taxes if they get to staySigh!
One more time......
They should be sent back whence they came since they are illegal economic migrants who have paid big money to criminal gangs in France to get here.One more time.....
Doesn't change their circumstances of living in abject total poverty, disease and danger if they stay where they are and don't try to get to the UK, or some other safe country. When you're faced with that kind of dangerous situation, WHO GIVES A FUCK
How can they be living in "abject total poverty" if they all have the enormous sums of money needed to pay the French gang masters who sell the seats on the "boats" to cross the Channel?
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:26:14 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
How can they be living in "abject total poverty" if they all have the enormous sums of money needed to pay the French gang masters who sell the seats on the "boats" to cross the Channel?You don't know any specifics on this.
I don't see why it's worth that much to a migrant with money to get out of France and to come to the UK. According to you the fee could be in the thousands. What reason would someone leaving Lebanon have to spend thousands to get out of France and getto the UK?
How about the millions who left Ukraine? They did not do that for economic reasons, they were fleeing from a war where Russia was killing loads of civilians and destroying loads of homes and stuff.
On Friday, 1 September 2023 at 22:36:40 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:get to the UK?
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:26:14 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
I know what I read in newspapers and see on TV all the time. The sums of money paid have been reported in countless media here. You should read itHow can they be living in "abject total poverty" if they all have the enormous sums of money needed to pay the French gang masters who sell the seats on the "boats" to cross the Channel?You don't know any specifics on this.
I don't see why it's worth that much to a migrant with money to get out of France and to come to the UK. According to you the fee could be in the thousands. What reason would someone leaving Lebanon have to spend thousands to get out of France and
I haven't heard of any of these people coming from Lebanon. A lot seem to come from Albania which is itself regarded as a safe country so anyone from there will have a hard job getting legal asylum here
How about the millions who left Ukraine? They did not do that for economic reasons, they were fleeing from a war where Russia was killing loads of civilians and destroying loads of homes and stuff.Lots of Ukrainians have already come here as bona fide refugees and continue to come here quite legally under pre-arranged refugee schemes
And having disposed of those arguments I'm now off to well deserved beddy-byes :)
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 6:25:13 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:get to the UK?
On Friday, 1 September 2023 at 22:36:40 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:26:14 PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
I know what I read in newspapers and see on TV all the time. The sums of money paid have been reported in countless media here. You should read itHow can they be living in "abject total poverty" if they all have the enormous sums of money needed to pay the French gang masters who sell the seats on the "boats" to cross the Channel?You don't know any specifics on this.
I don't see why it's worth that much to a migrant with money to get out of France and to come to the UK. According to you the fee could be in the thousands. What reason would someone leaving Lebanon have to spend thousands to get out of France and
I haven't heard of any of these people coming from Lebanon. A lot seem to come from Albania which is itself regarded as a safe country so anyone from there will have a hard job getting legal asylum here
How about the millions who left Ukraine? They did not do that for economic reasons, they were fleeing from a war where Russia was killing loads of civilians and destroying loads of homes and stuff.Lots of Ukrainians have already come here as bona fide refugees and continue to come here quite legally under pre-arranged refugee schemes
And having disposed of those arguments I'm now off to well deserved beddy-byes :)
You Brits are just gonna have to ante up and take care of these migrants. Just think of it as what your country owes the world for the centuries where you went around the world and invaded and conquered other lands and called them "British Colonies."
On Saturday, 2 September 2023 at 01:37:37 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:get to the UK?
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 6:25:13?PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
On Friday, 1 September 2023 at 22:36:40 UTC+1, Bruce wrote:
On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:26:14?PM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:I know what I read in newspapers and see on TV all the time. The sums of money paid have been reported in countless media here. You should read it
You don't know any specifics on this.How can they be living in "abject total poverty" if they all have the enormous sums of money needed to pay the French gang masters who sell the seats on the "boats" to cross the Channel?
I don't see why it's worth that much to a migrant with money to get out of France and to come to the UK. According to you the fee could be in the thousands. What reason would someone leaving Lebanon have to spend thousands to get out of France and
I haven't heard of any of these people coming from Lebanon. A lot seem to come from Albania which is itself regarded as a safe country so anyone from there will have a hard job getting legal asylum here
How about the millions who left Ukraine? They did not do that for economic reasons, they were fleeing from a war where Russia was killing loads of civilians and destroying loads of homes and stuff.Lots of Ukrainians have already come here as bona fide refugees and continue to come here quite legally under pre-arranged refugee schemes
And having disposed of those arguments I'm now off to well deserved beddy-byes :)
You Brits are just gonna have to ante up and take care of these migrants. Just think of it as what your country owes the world for the centuries where you went around the world and invaded and conquered other lands and called them "British Colonies."
I was wondering how long it would take for this kind of stuff to rear its ugly head.
Pretty well EVERY country on Earth has these kind of skeletons in their cupboards.
We can go back a little further still and add other countries to the list of these kind of activities.
So Italy owes us here in the UK ultra-big time for a start for the Roman Invasion way back
And then there's the French (Norman) invasion of Britain in 1066. How much must they owe us for that?
And of course pretty well all the European countries took active part in the project that became the most successful colonial experiment in history - the USA of course
Gee,but I wonder what became of those hordes of native born Red Indians who lived in that vast land for centuries beforehand?
I imagine their descendants must be owed a truly colossal amount by now
Gee,but I wonder what became of those hordes of native born Red Indians who lived in that vast land for centuries beforehand?
I imagine their descendants must be owed a truly colossal amount by now
On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 00:15:39 -0700 (PDT), Roger Ford ><mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Gee,but I wonder what became of those hordes of native born Red Indians who lived in that vast land for centuries beforehand?
I imagine their descendants must be owed a truly colossal amount by now
Actually, quite a number or Americans do think so.
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