Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would count.
I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?
I have about 450 tens, so it's a big project. Here the acts with more than 5.
CHUCK BERRY
1. Roll Over Beethoven
2. School Day
3. Sweet Little Sixteen
4. Around And Around
5. Rock And Roll Music
6. Johnny B. Goode
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 10:25:47 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
I have about 450 tens, so it's a big project. Here the acts with more than 5.Thanks for the response.
The biggest thing that stands out to me is the inclusion of Around and Around and the exclusion of Maybellene.
CHUCK BERRY
1. Roll Over Beethoven
2. School Day
3. Sweet Little Sixteen
4. Around And Around
5. Rock And Roll Music
6. Johnny B. Goode
I have about 450 tens, so it's a big project. Here the acts with more than 5.
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of this group.---------
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would count.
I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?
On 10/2/2023 6:18 AM, Bill B wrote:
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would count. I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?---------
I don't routinely rank them either, although you will see me say "That's
a 10 for me" from time to time. I don't keep a record of it. Probably
(I say, probably) the artists with the most 10s for me would be the ones
on Bruce's list, subtracting Elvis, Buddy Holly, B.B. King, the Beatles,
and the Rolling Stones, and adding Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, and
Elmore James.
I have about 450 tens, so it's a big project. Here the acts with more than 5.
THE BEATLES
1. Can't Buy Me Love
2. I Feel Fine
3. Revolution
4. It Won't Be Long
5. A Hard Day's Night
6. Come Together
7. Ticket To Ride
8. She Loves You
9. Eight Days A Week
10. Penny Lane
11. Nowhere Man
12. All My Loving
13. Hello Goodbye
FATS DOMINO
1. I'm In Love Again
2. Blue Monday
3. Where Did You Stay
4. You Done Me Wrong
5. Please Don't Leave Me
6. Let The Four Winds Blow
7. The Fat Man
8. Ain't It A Shame
9. Whole Lotta Loving
10. My Girl Josephine
11. I Hear You Knocking
ELVIS PRESLEY
1. Good Rockin' Tonight
2. I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone
3. I Don't Care if The Sun Don't Shine
4. Blue Moon of Kentucky
5. All Shook Up
6. You're A Heartbreaker
7. Hound Dog
8. Got A Lot O' Livin' To Do
9. Jailhouse Rock
10. Too Much
11. One Sided Love Affair
12. Money Honey (Live)
13. Baby Let's Play House
CHUCK BERRY
1. Roll Over Beethoven
2. School Day
3. Sweet Little Sixteen
4. Around And Around
5. Rock And Roll Music
6. Johnny B. Goode
THE CLOVERS
1. If You Love Me (Let Me Know)
2. Don't You Know I Love You
3. Nip Sip
4. One Mint Julep
5. Blue Velvet
6. Cocksucker's Ball
THE DRIFTERS
1. Money Honey
2. What'cha Gonna Do
3. No Sweet Lovin'
4. Steamboat
5. Drip Drop
6. Your Promise To Be Mine
BUDDY HOLLY AND THE CRICKETS
1. Modern Don Juan
2. That'll Be The Day
3. Rock Around With Ollie Vee (LP version)
4. You've Got Love
5. Maybe Baby
6. Oh Boy!
7. Tell Me How
B.B. KING
1. Dark Is The Night (part 1)
2. Please Love Me
3. Waitin' On You
4. Shut Your Mouth
5. Beautician Blues
6. Three O'Clock Blues
SMILEY LEWIS
1. Gumbo Blues
2. Someday You'll Want Me
3. Big Mamou
4. Bee's Boogie
5. Play Girl
6. Real Gone Lover
7. I Hear You Knocking
LITTLE RICHARD
1. Long Tall Sally
2. Tutti-Frutti
3. Slippin' And Slidin'
4. Good Golly, Miss Molly
5. Rip It Up
6. Keep A-Knockin'
7. Ain't Nothin' Happenin'
8. I'm In Love Again
9. I Brought It All On Myself
10. Ready Teddy
11. True Fine Mama
12. Miss Ann
13. Send Me Some Lovin'
CARL PERKINS
1. Matchbox
2. All Mama's Children
3. Gone, Gone, Gone
4. Dixie Fried
5. Blue Suede Shoes
6. Boppin' The Blues
7. Jive After Five
THE ROBINS
1. Wrap It Up
2. One Kiss
3. Smokey Joe's Cafe
4. How Would You Know
5. Riot In Cell Block # 9
6. If Teardrops Were Kisses
7. Get It Off Your Mind
JOE TURNER
1. Shake, Rattle And Roll
2. Midnight Cannonball
3. Honey Hush
4. Flip, Flop And Fly
5. Well All Right
6. Morning, Noon And Night
7. TV Mama
HANK WILLIAMS
1. Moanin' The Blues
2. Honky Tonk Blues
3. Lovesick Blues
4. Why Don't You Love Me
5. Hey, Good Lookin'
6. Jambalaya (On The Bayou)
7. Long Gone Lonesome Blues
8. Move It On Over
9. I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry
JOHNNY BURNETTE TRIO
1. Honey Hush
2. The Train Kept A-Rollin'
3. All By Myself
4. Tear It Up
5. Lonesome Train
6. Drinkin' Wine Spodee-O-Dee
7. Sweet Love On My Mind
8. Your Baby Blue Eyes
On 10/2/2023 7:25 AM, Bruce wrote:
I have about 450 tens, so it's a big project. Here the acts with moreHere are my Elvian 10ishes.
than 5.
THE BEATLES
1. Can't Buy Me Love
2. I Feel Fine
3. Revolution
4. It Won't Be Long
5. A Hard Day's Night
6. Come Together
7. Ticket To Ride
8. She Loves You
9. Eight Days A Week
10. Penny Lane
11. Nowhere Man
12. All My Loving
13. Hello Goodbye
FATS DOMINO
1. I'm In Love Again
2. Blue Monday
3. Where Did You Stay
4. You Done Me Wrong
5. Please Don't Leave Me
6. Let The Four Winds Blow
7. The Fat Man
8. Ain't It A Shame
9. Whole Lotta Loving
10. My Girl Josephine
11. I Hear You Knocking
ELVIS PRESLEY
1. Good Rockin' Tonight
2. I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone
3. I Don't Care if The Sun Don't Shine
4. Blue Moon of Kentucky
5. All Shook Up
6. You're A Heartbreaker
7. Hound Dog
8. Got A Lot O' Livin' To Do
9. Jailhouse Rock
10. Too Much
11. One Sided Love Affair
12. Money Honey (Live)
13. Baby Let's Play House
CHUCK BERRY
1. Roll Over Beethoven
2. School Day
3. Sweet Little Sixteen
4. Around And Around
5. Rock And Roll Music
6. Johnny B. Goode
THE CLOVERS
1. If You Love Me (Let Me Know)
2. Don't You Know I Love You
3. Nip Sip
4. One Mint Julep
5. Blue Velvet
6. Cocksucker's Ball
THE DRIFTERS
1. Money Honey
2. What'cha Gonna Do
3. No Sweet Lovin'
4. Steamboat
5. Drip Drop
6. Your Promise To Be Mine
BUDDY HOLLY AND THE CRICKETS
1. Modern Don Juan
2. That'll Be The Day
3. Rock Around With Ollie Vee (LP version)
4. You've Got Love
5. Maybe Baby
6. Oh Boy!
7. Tell Me How
B.B. KING
1. Dark Is The Night (part 1)
2. Please Love Me
3. Waitin' On You
4. Shut Your Mouth
5. Beautician Blues
6. Three O'Clock Blues
SMILEY LEWIS
1. Gumbo Blues
2. Someday You'll Want Me
3. Big Mamou
4. Bee's Boogie
5. Play Girl
6. Real Gone Lover
7. I Hear You Knocking
LITTLE RICHARD
1. Long Tall Sally
2. Tutti-Frutti
3. Slippin' And Slidin'
4. Good Golly, Miss Molly
5. Rip It Up
6. Keep A-Knockin'
7. Ain't Nothin' Happenin'
8. I'm In Love Again
9. I Brought It All On Myself
10. Ready Teddy
11. True Fine Mama
12. Miss Ann
13. Send Me Some Lovin'
CARL PERKINS
1. Matchbox
2. All Mama's Children
3. Gone, Gone, Gone
4. Dixie Fried
5. Blue Suede Shoes
6. Boppin' The Blues
7. Jive After Five
THE ROBINS
1. Wrap It Up
2. One Kiss
3. Smokey Joe's Cafe
4. How Would You Know
5. Riot In Cell Block # 9
6. If Teardrops Were Kisses
7. Get It Off Your Mind
JOE TURNER
1. Shake, Rattle And Roll
2. Midnight Cannonball
3. Honey Hush
4. Flip, Flop And Fly
5. Well All Right
6. Morning, Noon And Night
7. TV Mama
HANK WILLIAMS
1. Moanin' The Blues
2. Honky Tonk Blues
3. Lovesick Blues
4. Why Don't You Love Me
5. Hey, Good Lookin'
6. Jambalaya (On The Bayou)
7. Long Gone Lonesome Blues
8. Move It On Over
9. I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry
JOHNNY BURNETTE TRIO
1. Honey Hush
2. The Train Kept A-Rollin'
3. All By Myself
4. Tear It Up
5. Lonesome Train
6. Drinkin' Wine Spodee-O-Dee
7. Sweet Love On My Mind
8. Your Baby Blue Eyes
Blue Moon of Kentucky
Good Rockin' Tonight
Tryin' To Get To You
I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone
That's All Right
Baby Let's Play House
My Baby Left Me
Jailhouse Rock
So Glad You're Mine
Mystery Train
Don't Be Cruel
Hound Dog
Blue Moon
Heartbreak Hotel
Santa Claus Is Back In Town
When My Blue Moon Turns To Gold Again
I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine
Got A Lot O' Livin' To Do!
I Was The One
Just Because
You're A Heartbreaker
One-Sided Love Affair
Anyway You Want Me
Shake, Rattle & Roll - Flip, Flop & Fly ( Live Dorsey Bros 1956)
Money Honey
Paralyzed
Here are my Elvian 10ishes.
Blue Moon of Kentucky
Good Rockin' Tonight
Tryin' To Get To You
I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone
That's All Right
Baby Let's Play House
My Baby Left Me
Jailhouse Rock
So Glad You're Mine
Mystery Train
Don't Be Cruel
Hound Dog
Blue Moon
Heartbreak Hotel
Santa Claus Is Back In Town
When My Blue Moon Turns To Gold Again
I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine
Got A Lot O' Livin' To Do!
I Was The One
Just Because
You're A Heartbreaker
One-Sided Love Affair
Anyway You Want Me
Shake, Rattle & Roll - Flip, Flop & Fly ( Live Dorsey Bros 1956)
Money Honey
Paralyzed
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would count.
I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?
CHUCK BERRY (13)
Maybellene
Roll Over Beethoven
You Can’t Catch Me
Too Much Monkey Business
Brown Eyed Handsome Man
Rock And Roll Music
School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes The Bell)
Johnny B. Goode
Sweet Little Sixteen
Reelin And Rocking
Memphis Tennessee
Let It Rock
Promised Land
On Monday, 2 October 2023 at 11:18:23 UTC+1, Bill B wrote:
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would count. I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?No.I haven't forgotten this
Been a little busy but working on it this pm. It'll be here later on
LITTLE RICHARD (11)
Tutti-Frutti
Long Tall Sally
Rip It Up
Ready Teddy
Slippin’ And Slidin’
Lucille
Keep A-Knockin'
Send Me Some Lovin'
Jenny,Jenny
Good Golly Miss Molly
True Fine Mama
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:27:24 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
CHUCK BERRY (13)Thanks for the eagerly awaited reply. Your Chuck Berry list is a vast improvement over Bruce's, but neither of your lists contains my all-time favorite:
Maybellene
Roll Over Beethoven
You Can’t Catch Me
Too Much Monkey Business
Brown Eyed Handsome Man
Rock And Roll Music
School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes The Bell)
Johnny B. Goode
Sweet Little Sixteen
Reelin And Rocking
Memphis Tennessee
Let It Rock
Promised Land
You Never Can Tell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55_9o8LoWiw&ab_channel=ChuckBerry-Topic
And I would never give the derivative Promised Land a ten, seeing how the music is the same as Wabash Cannonball.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:27:24 AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
CHUCK BERRY (13)Thanks for the eagerly awaited reply. Your Chuck Berry list is a vast improvement over Bruce's, but neither of your lists contains my all-time favorite:
Maybellene
Roll Over Beethoven
You Can’t Catch Me
Too Much Monkey Business
Brown Eyed Handsome Man
Rock And Roll Music
School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes The Bell)
Johnny B. Goode
Sweet Little Sixteen
Reelin And Rocking
Memphis Tennessee
Let It Rock
Promised Land
You Never Can Tell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55_9o8LoWiw&ab_channel=ChuckBerry-Topic
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:27:24?AM UTC-4, Roger Ford wrote:
CHUCK BERRY (13)
Maybellene
Roll Over Beethoven
You Cant Catch Me
Too Much Monkey Business
Brown Eyed Handsome Man
Rock And Roll Music
School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes The Bell)
Johnny B. Goode
Sweet Little Sixteen
Reelin And Rocking
Memphis Tennessee
Let It Rock
Promised Land
Thanks for the eagerly awaited reply. Your Chuck Berry list is a vast improvement over Bruce's, but neither of your lists contains my all-time favorite:
You Never Can Tell >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55_9o8LoWiw&ab_channel=ChuckBerry-Topic
And I would never give the derivative Promised Land a ten, seeing how the music is the same as Wabash Cannonball.
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would count.
I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
On 10/2/2023 6:18 AM, Bill B wrote:
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would count. I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?---------
I don't routinely rank them either, although you will see me say "That's
a 10 for me" from time to time. I don't keep a record of it. Probably
(I say, probably) the artists with the most 10s for me would be the ones
on Bruce's list, subtracting Elvis, Buddy Holly, B.B. King, the Beatles,
and the Rolling Stones, and adding Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, and
Elmore James.
If you could count Clyde McPhatter across different groups he led, he'd definitely be on my list.
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 6:43:03 PM UTC-4, Steve Mc wrote:
Here are my Elvian 10ishes.
Blue Moon of Kentucky
Good Rockin' Tonight
Tryin' To Get To You
I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone
That's All Right
Baby Let's Play House
My Baby Left Me
Jailhouse Rock
So Glad You're Mine
Mystery Train
Don't Be Cruel
Hound Dog
Blue Moon
Heartbreak Hotel
Santa Claus Is Back In Town
When My Blue Moon Turns To Gold Again
I Don't Care If The Sun Don't Shine
Got A Lot O' Livin' To Do!
I Was The One
Just Because
You're A Heartbreaker
One-Sided Love Affair
Anyway You Want Me
Shake, Rattle & Roll - Flip, Flop & Fly ( Live Dorsey Bros 1956)
Money Honey
Paralyzed
No Such A Night? :-)
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:04:53 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <>
And I would never give the derivative Promised Land a ten, seeing how the music is the same as Wabash Cannonball.How about "Sweet Little Sixteen"? It's "Midnight Special."
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 12:28:40 PM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 08:04:53 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <>
I don't hear it, but I don't have the trained musical ear you have.And I would never give the derivative Promised Land a ten, seeing how the music is the same as Wabash Cannonball.How about "Sweet Little Sixteen"? It's "Midnight Special."
I said this once before, but Chuck's Promised Land was listed in Wikipedia's list of versions of Wabash Cannonball, the only song listed with a different title. It's note for note as far as my untrained ears hear.
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
Only difference is sections are reversed.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
On 10/2/2023 6:18 AM, Bill B wrote:-----------
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to---------
wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of
this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would
count.
I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the only
thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?
I don't routinely rank them either, although you will see me say "That's
a 10 for me" from time to time. I don't keep a record of it. Probably
(I say, probably) the artists with the most 10s for me would be the ones
on Bruce's list, subtracting Elvis, Buddy Holly, B.B. King, the Beatles,
and the Rolling Stones, and adding Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, and
Elmore James.
If you could count Clyde McPhatter across different groups he led, he'd definitely be on my list.
On 10/2/2023 2:22 PM, DianeE wrote:---------------
On 10/2/2023 6:18 AM, Bill B wrote:-----------
Seeing many individual tens in Steve's series of posts leads me to---------
wonder which artist had the most recordings ranked ten by members of
this group.
Any decade, including all those after our normal time period, would
count.
I ask that each poster start his or her own thread to prevent the
only thread from becoming a mish mosh which can't be followed.
I don't rank recordings, so I won't be posting any. Anyone?
I don't routinely rank them either, although you will see me say
"That's a 10 for me" from time to time. I don't keep a record of it.
Probably (I say, probably) the artists with the most 10s for me would
be the ones on Bruce's list, subtracting Elvis, Buddy Holly, B.B.
King, the Beatles, and the Rolling Stones, and adding Muddy Waters,
Howlin' Wolf, and Elmore James.
If you could count Clyde McPhatter across different groups he led,
he'd definitely be on my list.
Bo Diddley and Muddy Waters are my favorite artists, but I don't base
that on how many 10s they made. Most of Bo Diddley's work doesn't rise
to that level for me. BUT I've never heard a song by him that I
couldn't stand.
Muddy made that horrible album "Electric Mud" in the 60s, and he had one record I dislike intensely in the 50s, namely "Tiger In Your Tank."
Otherwise I like or love everything he recorded.
Wilson Pickett made 3 or 4 records that I think are 10s but he also made
a lot of records that I have no use for. Therefore not a favorite
artist for me. I could probably say the same about Jackie Wilson.
Where does John Derek fit in?
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 10:42:44 PM UTC-4, Bob Roman wrote:was misremembering the song, as both songs have 'Red' in the titles. I disagree — I think it’s fairly clear that 'Maybellene' is inspired both by 'Ida Red's structure and patter-lyric verse and by 'Oh Red's chorus melody."
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:06:14 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.Historian Andrew Hickey makes this claim:
"'Ida Red' wasn’t the only influence on 'Maybellene' though. There was another song called 'Oh Red', a hokum song by the Harlem Hamfats. Larry Birnbaum, in 'Before Elvis', suggests that this was the only influence on 'Maybellene', and that Berry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdHOPtuZoXw
Hickey goes on:
"And it wasn’t just Bob Wills’ version of 'Ida Red' that inspired Berry. There’s a blues version, by Bumble Bee Slim, which has a guitar break that isn’t a million miles away from what Berry was doing."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1-3XqOQYDgI hear more of a similarity in this guy and Chuck's vocals than the guitar break. Sounds like the way Chuck sings "Havana Moon" and a few of his other offbeat things.
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 5:06:14 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:misremembering the song, as both songs have 'Red' in the titles. I disagree — I think it’s fairly clear that 'Maybellene' is inspired both by 'Ida Red's structure and patter-lyric verse and by 'Oh Red's chorus melody."
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.Historian Andrew Hickey makes this claim:
"'Ida Red' wasn’t the only influence on 'Maybellene' though. There was another song called 'Oh Red', a hokum song by the Harlem Hamfats. Larry Birnbaum, in 'Before Elvis', suggests that this was the only influence on 'Maybellene', and that Berry was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdHOPtuZoXw
Hickey goes on:
"And it wasn’t just Bob Wills’ version of 'Ida Red' that inspired Berry. There’s a blues version, by Bumble Bee Slim, which has a guitar break that isn’t a million miles away from what Berry was doing."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1-3XqOQYDg
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:22:35?PM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
Only difference is sections are reversed.
In other words, "Maybellene" starts with chorus, and then the verse, while "Ida Red" has the verse first, followed by the chorus?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 16:35:18 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:22:35?PM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
Only difference is sections are reversed.
In other words, "Maybellene" starts with chorus, and then the verse, while "Ida Red" has the verse first, followed by the chorus?
Yes,
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:13:17?AM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 16:35:18 -0700 (PDT), Bruce <Sav...@aol.com>
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 6:22:35?PM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:Yes,
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
Only difference is sections are reversed.
In other words, "Maybellene" starts with chorus, and then the verse, while "Ida Red" has the verse first, followed by the chorus?
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:----------
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.
On 10/4/2023 11:07 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.----------
I don't understand why "X" can't be a 10 if it sounds like "Y."
A lot of Joe Turner records share lyrics and melodies with other Joe
Turner records ("Well all right now, well all reet now..." for example). What if you fall in love with a record not knowing it's a remake of an earlier record? Then when you find out there was an earlier record you automatically fall out of love?
One of my favorite Little Richard records, a definite 10, is "Slippin'
And Slidin'." When I found out it was based on "I'm Wise" by Eddie Bo,
it remained a 10 for me--the Eddie Bo record is good but nowhere near a
10.
So I don't get the principle here.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
On 10/4/2023 11:07 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
If it "sounds like," it can. If it's a blatant copy, it can't.All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.----------
I don't understand why "X" can't be a 10 if it sounds like "Y."
A lot of Joe Turner records share lyrics and melodies with other Joe Turner records ("Well all right now, well all reet now..." for example).
If it rubs me the wrong way because it's repetitive versus prior recordings or shows laziness, like Joe Turner records, it spoils my enjoyment.
On 10/4/2023 11:07 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.----------
I don't understand why "X" can't be a 10 if it sounds like "Y."
A lot of Joe Turner records share lyrics and melodies with other Joe
Turner records ("Well all right now, well all reet now..." for example).
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:Feathers record?
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
On 10/4/2023 11:07 AM, Bill B wrote:If it "sounds like," it can. If it's a blatant copy, it can't.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:----------
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.
I don't understand why "X" can't be a 10 if it sounds like "Y."
A lot of Joe Turner records share lyrics and melodies with other Joe
Turner records ("Well all right now, well all reet now..." for example).
If it rubs me the wrong way because it's repetitive versus prior recordings or shows laziness, like Joe Turner records, it spoils my enjoyment.
But yet you have no problem with the Jacks exact copy of "Why Don't You Write Me" because it's great according to you. What can be more lazy than listening to another artist's record and trying your best to copy it exactly as the Jacks did with the
On 10/4/2023 1:47 PM, Bruce wrote:Feathers record?
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
On 10/4/2023 11:07 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >>>>>I don't understand why "X" can't be a 10 if it sounds like "Y."
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect. >>> ----------
A lot of Joe Turner records share lyrics and melodies with other Joe
Turner records ("Well all right now, well all reet now..." for example). >> If it "sounds like," it can. If it's a blatant copy, it can't.
If it rubs me the wrong way because it's repetitive versus prior recordings or shows laziness, like Joe Turner records, it spoils my enjoyment.
But yet you have no problem with the Jacks exact copy of "Why Don't You Write Me" because it's great according to you. What can be more lazy than listening to another artist's record and trying your best to copy it exactly as the Jacks did with the
-----------
It's not an exact copy. It's very easy to tell the difference.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:Feathers record?
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
On 10/4/2023 11:07 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
If it "sounds like," it can. If it's a blatant copy, it can't.All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.----------
I don't understand why "X" can't be a 10 if it sounds like "Y."
A lot of Joe Turner records share lyrics and melodies with other Joe Turner records ("Well all right now, well all reet now..." for example).
If it rubs me the wrong way because it's repetitive versus prior recordings or shows laziness, like Joe Turner records, it spoils my enjoyment.But yet you have no problem with the Jacks exact copy of "Why Don't You Write Me" because it's great according to you. What can be more lazy than listening to another artist's record and trying your best to copy it exactly as the Jacks did with the
Bill, you're a hypocrite with this stuff. You break your own rule with this all the time, including with "Maybellene," which would have lost the law suit if the publisher of "Ida Red" had sued. Face it, you're no different than the rest of us. You'lloverride your own rule if you like the copycat record enough.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:47:12 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Feathers record?
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 12:09:13 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
On 10/4/2023 11:07 AM, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:35:21 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
What say you Bill?
According to our resident musician, the ONLY difference between "Maybellene" and "Ida Red" is that one starts with the verse and the other starts with the chorus. Sound like you should drop "Maybellene" to a 7 or an 8.
If it "sounds like," it can. If it's a blatant copy, it can't.All I can say is I can't hear it. Some similarity is all I can detect.----------
I don't understand why "X" can't be a 10 if it sounds like "Y."
A lot of Joe Turner records share lyrics and melodies with other Joe Turner records ("Well all right now, well all reet now..." for example).
If it rubs me the wrong way because it's repetitive versus prior recordings or shows laziness, like Joe Turner records, it spoils my enjoyment.But yet you have no problem with the Jacks exact copy of "Why Don't You Write Me" because it's great according to you. What can be more lazy than listening to another artist's record and trying your best to copy it exactly as the Jacks did with the
override your own rule if you like the copycat record enough.Bill, you're a hypocrite with this stuff. You break your own rule with this all the time, including with "Maybellene," which would have lost the law suit if the publisher of "Ida Red" had sued. Face it, you're no different than the rest of us. You'll
I'd bet my bottom dollar it would not have lost a lawsuit.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Special, which you say are the same. Same question as to these two records. Who would win a copyright infringement lawsuit?
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.
I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings.
Two questions for Jim.
If the writer(s) of Ida Red had sued Chuck Berry for Maybellene, do you think they would have prevailed?
I always consider a record a rip off if I start singing one and end up singing another. Whether it rubs me the wrong way is another matter. This doesn't happen with Ida Red or Maybellene. It also doesn't happen on Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <>Special, which you say are the same. Same question as to these two records. Who would win a copyright infringement lawsuit?
wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.
I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings.
Two questions for Jim.
If the writer(s) of Ida Red had sued Chuck Berry for Maybellene, do you think they would have prevailed?
I always consider a record a rip off if I start singing one and end up singing another. Whether it rubs me the wrong way is another matter. This doesn't happen with Ida Red or Maybellene. It also doesn't happen on Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight
I doubt anyone would have been sued. "Ida Red" itself is an old
filddle tune that appears to be in the public domain. So folk music
rarely matters. Do a search on "Ida Red," the song.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:59:12?AM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:Special, which you say are the same. Same question as to these two records. Who would win a copyright infringement lawsuit?
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <>
wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.
I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings. >> >
Two questions for Jim.
If the writer(s) of Ida Red had sued Chuck Berry for Maybellene, do you think they would have prevailed?
I always consider a record a rip off if I start singing one and end up singing another. Whether it rubs me the wrong way is another matter. This doesn't happen with Ida Red or Maybellene. It also doesn't happen on Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight
I doubt anyone would have been sued. "Ida Red" itself is an old
filddle tune that appears to be in the public domain. So folk music
rarely matters. Do a search on "Ida Red," the song.
So Bruce was wrong when he said "Maybellene", which would have lost the law suit if the publisher of "Ida Red" had sued."
How about Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special?
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:23:26 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <Special, which you say are the same. Same question as to these two records. Who would win a copyright infringement lawsuit?
wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:59:12?AM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <>
wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.
I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings.
Two questions for Jim.
If the writer(s) of Ida Red had sued Chuck Berry for Maybellene, do you think they would have prevailed?
I always consider a record a rip off if I start singing one and end up singing another. Whether it rubs me the wrong way is another matter. This doesn't happen with Ida Red or Maybellene. It also doesn't happen on Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight
I doubt anyone would have been sued. "Ida Red" itself is an old
filddle tune that appears to be in the public domain. So folk music
rarely matters. Do a search on "Ida Red," the song.
So Bruce was wrong when he said "Maybellene", which would have lost the law suit if the publisher of "Ida Red" had sued."
How about Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special?It all depends on specific cases. You'd be better off consulting an intellectual property lawyer which I am not.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:59:12 AM UTC-4, Jim Colegrove wrote:Special, which you say are the same. Same question as to these two records. Who would win a copyright infringement lawsuit?
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <>
wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56?PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.
I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings.
Two questions for Jim.
If the writer(s) of Ida Red had sued Chuck Berry for Maybellene, do you think they would have prevailed?
I always consider a record a rip off if I start singing one and end up singing another. Whether it rubs me the wrong way is another matter. This doesn't happen with Ida Red or Maybellene. It also doesn't happen on Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight
I doubt anyone would have been sued. "Ida Red" itself is an old
filddle tune that appears to be in the public domain. So folk music
rarely matters. Do a search on "Ida Red," the song.
So Bruce was wrong when he said "Maybellene", which would have lost the law suit if the publisher of "Ida Red" had sued."
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:12:16 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:22:45 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
I call them rules only because you do. And rules can be subjective.Then don't have any "rules." Rules can't just be ignored when you feel like it.It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:22:45 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:50:31 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 6:37:56 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
Are you really that conceited that you value your opinion on that above musical experts who all say that "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red." Chuck himself said it.
And how can it be hypocritical if my rule includes "if it rubs me the wrong way"?
Then don't have any "rules." Rules can't just be ignored when you feel like it.It's hypocritical because you refuse to deduct things like "Why Don't You Write Me" merely because you like it a lot.I'm not an automaton like you. My personal feelings enter into my ratings.
The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybellene
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybelleneFrom the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybelleneFrom the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybelleneFrom the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
If Chuck is "modifying" someone else's work, than his work is unoriginal.The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybelleneFrom the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
If Chuck is "modifying" someone else's work, than his work is unoriginal.The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
It's tough to argue with an obstinate jackass.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:need to understand that it was just a reworking of another person's work?
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybelleneFrom the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
If Chuck is "modifying" someone else's work, than his work is unoriginal.The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
It's tough to argue with an obstinate jackass.Especially when he counters every one of your copout points so well. Why can't you just admit that "Maybellene" is not an original work. The first take of the song was done as "Ida May" with totally different words for fuck sake. What else would you
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:47:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:need to understand that it was just a reworking of another person's work?
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybelleneFrom the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
If Chuck is "modifying" someone else's work, than his work is unoriginal.The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
It's tough to argue with an obstinate jackass.Especially when he counters every one of your copout points so well. Why can't you just admit that "Maybellene" is not an original work. The first take of the song was done as "Ida May" with totally different words for fuck sake. What else would you
OBSTINATE JACKASS!
On 10/5/2023 4:21 PM, Bruce wrote:----------
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 4:17:27 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:----------
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:47:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Especially when he counters every one of your copout points so well.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote: >>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >>>>>>>>> The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'If Chuck is "modifying" someone else's work, than his work is
From the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybellene
traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
unoriginal.
It's tough to argue with an obstinate jackass.
Why can't you just admit that "Maybellene" is not an original work.
The first take of the song was done as "Ida May" with totally
different words for fuck sake. What else would you need to
understand that it was just a reworking of another person's work?
OBSTINATE JACKASS!
STUBBORN HYPOCRITE!
Ah, now I see where the playground is. It's here.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 4:17:27 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:need to understand that it was just a reworking of another person's work?
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:47:25 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:Especially when he counters every one of your copout points so well. Why can't you just admit that "Maybellene" is not an original work. The first take of the song was done as "Ida May" with totally different words for fuck sake. What else would you
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 2:18:33 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:It's tough to argue with an obstinate jackass.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:41:46 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >>>>>>>> The Story Of Chuck Berry's 'Maybellene'If Chuck is "modifying" someone else's work, than his work is unoriginal. >>>
From the article: "Ida Mae," that Berry had adapted from a traditional country tune called "Ida Red."
https://www.npr.org/2000/07/02/1076141/maybellene
The definition of "adapt" is to modify, proving my point.
----------OBSTINATE JACKASS!
STUBBORN HYPOCRITE!
Let's watch two senior citizens have a water balloon fight.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:04:32 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
Let's watch two senior citizens have a water balloon fight.
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's even more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed in on whether or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:04:32 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
Let's watch two senior citizens have a water balloon fight.
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's even more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed in on whether or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 14:06:12 -0700 (PDT), Bill B <bb...@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 4:22:09?PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
Better drop "Maybellene" to a 9, it's taken from "Ida Red."
Here's the record Chuck was copying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-lWQBjnFg
Clearly different songs, and a ridiculous argument.
On Oct 6, 2023 at 5:31:30 AM CDT, "Bill B" <> wrote:
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's even
more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed in on whether
or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:24:34 AM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
On Oct 6, 2023 at 5:31:30 AM CDT, "Bill B" <> wrote:
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:23 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:24:34 AM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
On Oct 6, 2023 at 5:31:30 AM CDT, "Bill B" <> wrote:
It just occurred to me that Bruce's favorite quote can be used against him in this dispute.It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode
"All that matters is what comes out of the speakers". In both these comparisons, what comes out of the speakers in Chuck's versions sounds totally different than the song being compared to his.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:24:34 AM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
On Oct 6, 2023 at 5:31:30 AM CDT, "Bill B" <> wrote:
You enclosed an article about "Maybellene" by RJ Smith from The NY Review of Books, which ended with "In simpler words, almost all music borrows from previous music, and all goodIt's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's even
more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed in on whether
or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
music creates something new and sometimes wonderful from the older music. Thanks, Mark. I'd count the author in my camp, but wonder why you have avoided supplying your opinion. Don't forget, that was also asked for about "Sweet Little Sixteen and "Midnight Special."
On 10/6/2023 6:31 AM, Bill B wrote:----------
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:04:32 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:-----------
Let's watch two senior citizens have a water balloon fight.
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's
even more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed
in on whether or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
I haven't chimed in because as I explained at length I think the whole
idea is irrelevant. "Slippin' And Slidin'" by Little Richard uses
exactly the same melody as "I'm Wise" by Eddie Bo, but finding that out
did not diminish my feelings about "Slippin' And Slidin'" in any way.
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:04:32 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:-----------
Let's watch two senior citizens have a water balloon fight.
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's even more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed in on whether or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:23 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:24:34 AM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
On Oct 6, 2023 at 5:31:30 AM CDT, "Bill B" <> wrote:
It just occurred to me that Bruce's favorite quote can be used against him in this dispute.It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode
"All that matters is what comes out of the speakers". In both these comparisons, what comes out of the speakers in Chuck's versions sounds totally different than the song being compared to his.Not to trained ears it doesn't. And lots of versions of the same song sound very different due to arrangements, different instruments, tempos, etc...That has nothing to with whether or not they are the same notes and/or lyrics and the same composition.
On 10/6/2023 5:19 PM, DianeE wrote:
On 10/6/2023 6:31 AM, Bill B wrote:----------
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:04:32 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:-----------
Let's watch two senior citizens have a water balloon fight.
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's
even more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed
in on whether or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
I haven't chimed in because as I explained at length I think the whole idea is irrelevant. "Slippin' And Slidin'" by Little Richard uses
exactly the same melody as "I'm Wise" by Eddie Bo, but finding that out did not diminish my feelings about "Slippin' And Slidin'" in any way.
"Crying In The Chapel" by The Orioles is a 10 for me. The fact that
it's a remake of a decidedly mediocre record by Darrell Glenn means
nothing. This is not a legalistic check-the-boxes analysis; it's purely emotional. If it transports me and makes my heart pound with joy it's a
10 no matter what its provenance.
But to give you the answer you wanted, no, neither of those songs sounds like its ancestor to me. But...so what?
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 3:25:43 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:04:23 PM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:24:34 AM UTC-4, Mark D. wrote:
On Oct 6, 2023 at 5:31:30 AM CDT, "Bill B" <> wrote:
composition.It just occurred to me that Bruce's favorite quote can be used against him in this dispute.It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode
"All that matters is what comes out of the speakers". In both these comparisons, what comes out of the speakers in Chuck's versions sounds totally different than the song being compared to his.Not to trained ears it doesn't. And lots of versions of the same song sound very different due to arrangements, different instruments, tempos, etc...That has nothing to with whether or not they are the same notes and/or lyrics and the same
Even if structurally the same (and I'm not saying they are in these instances), if they are changed to such a degree you can't hear any similarities, they are essentially original. Mark and Diane seem to agree. I think Jim might also agree.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
On 10/6/2023 5:19 PM, DianeE wrote:
On 10/6/2023 6:31 AM, Bill B wrote:----------
On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 6:04:32 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:-----------
Let's watch two senior citizens have a water balloon fight.
It's frustrating to argue with Bruce when he's in troll mode, but it's >> even more frustrating that NOT ONE person, including you, has chimed
in on whether or not Maybellene and Ida Red or
Sweet Little Sixteen and Midnight Special sound like the same song.
I haven't chimed in because as I explained at length I think the whole idea is irrelevant. "Slippin' And Slidin'" by Little Richard uses exactly the same melody as "I'm Wise" by Eddie Bo, but finding that out did not diminish my feelings about "Slippin' And Slidin'" in any way.
"Crying In The Chapel" by The Orioles is a 10 for me. The fact that
it's a remake of a decidedly mediocre record by Darrell Glenn means nothing. This is not a legalistic check-the-boxes analysis; it's purely emotional. If it transports me and makes my heart pound with joy it's a
10 no matter what its provenance.
But to give you the answer you wanted, no, neither of those songs sounds like its ancestor to me. But...so what?So you disagree with Bruce's contention that I should deduct points from Chuck for lack of originality. And agree with my contention that my rating is subjective, not objective like Bruce would like it to be. Thanks for clarifying.
I think Bruce’s problem with Chuck is that he experienced him long after his innovations had been imitated by a lot of 60s performers, and so he has little sense of what sort of incredible impact Chuck had on our generation.
He often seems to like the more traditional flip sides (like Around and Around and Reelin’ n Rockin’) more than he likes the big hits.
For me hearing Maybelline for the first time made my universe change. It’s an eleven!
If your new stance is that it doesn't matter if "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red," I'm with you.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The whole argument is about your supposed "rule" that anything unoriginal, no matter how great, must receive a deduction in its rating.
If your new stance is that it doesn't matter if "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red," I'm with you.
Don't tell me what my stance is. And it isn't "new."
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:39:04 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The whole argument is about your supposed "rule" that anything unoriginal, no matter how great, must receive a deduction in its rating.
If your new stance is that it doesn't matter if "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red," I'm with you.
Don't tell me what my stance is. And it isn't "new."So what exactly is your stance?
Is it that "Maybellene" is a totally original piece of work and that it had nothing at all to do with "Ida Red?"
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 10:16:22 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:39:04 AM UTC-4, Bill B wrote:
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:05:32 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
The whole argument is about your supposed "rule" that anything unoriginal, no matter how great, must receive a deduction in its rating.
If your new stance is that it doesn't matter if "Maybellene" was taken from "Ida Red," I'm with you.
Don't tell me what my stance is. And it isn't "new."So what exactly is your stance?
Is it that "Maybellene" is a totally original piece of work and that it had nothing at all to do with "Ida Red?"
I've articulated my stance more than often enough to permit even you to understand it.
This is not a legalistic check-the-boxes analysis; it's purely
emotional. If it transports me and makes my heart pound with joy it's a
10 no matter what its provenance.
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