A guy in the Beatles group feels very similar to how I feel about lyrics.
He posted:
My take is music is no doubt about something ("meaning of lyrics"
sense) to those who need it to be about something, starting with
the composer. And that's fine. It's just that any aboutness simply
hasn't typically added much to my joy over/with songs.
Another example: the harmony and duration of the sustain of the
final "yeah" in "She Loves You" reaches much more deeply into
me than whatever the song is about, whatever it meant to others,
to history, etc.
Of *course* I've chanced upon all such analysis of such over the
years, but whereas such tends toward 'tl;dr', the sound of that
word presented by their voices at that moment in the song still
drops my jaw involuntarily.
I think part of what I was getting at was that I've tended to be more
into the music than the meaning of any lyrics. But that's not to say
I don't adore the *words* comprising the lyrics. However, for me the important aspects of the words are more their pronunciation, syllable metering, and musical notes underlying the vocalizing thereof.
Take "Help!", for example. Fantastic lyrics. And yet none of them
give me the kind of chills/goosebumps that the first "When" does.
The power of that "When" for me isn't what 'when' means: it's the----------
sound of the word, how it's vocally attacked, whatever musical note
is underlying it relative to its surroundings, and that it's a single
brief - yet sustained so exquisitely long - syllable sandwiched
between that wonderful descending guitar thing, and my all-time
favorite vocalist's voice entering the soundscape squarely in its
zone that's always moved/spoken to me - that voice itself.
On 4/5/2024 10:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
A guy in the Beatles group feels very similar to how I feel about lyrics.----------
He posted:
My take is music is no doubt about something ("meaning of lyrics"
sense) to those who need it to be about something, starting with
the composer. And that's fine. It's just that any aboutness simply
hasn't typically added much to my joy over/with songs.
Another example: the harmony and duration of the sustain of the
final "yeah" in "She Loves You" reaches much more deeply into
me than whatever the song is about, whatever it meant to others,
to history, etc.
Of *course* I've chanced upon all such analysis of such over the
years, but whereas such tends toward 'tl;dr', the sound of that
word presented by their voices at that moment in the song still
drops my jaw involuntarily.
I think part of what I was getting at was that I've tended to be more
into the music than the meaning of any lyrics. But that's not to say
I don't adore the *words* comprising the lyrics. However, for me the
important aspects of the words are more their pronunciation, syllable
metering, and musical notes underlying the vocalizing thereof.
Take "Help!", for example. Fantastic lyrics. And yet none of them
give me the kind of chills/goosebumps that the first "When" does.
The power of that "When" for me isn't what 'when' means: it's the
sound of the word, how it's vocally attacked, whatever musical note
is underlying it relative to its surroundings, and that it's a single
brief - yet sustained so exquisitely long - syllable sandwiched
between that wonderful descending guitar thing, and my all-time
favorite vocalist's voice entering the soundscape squarely in its
zone that's always moved/spoken to me - that voice itself.
'tl;dr' ????? What the hell is that?????
What about records like "Volare" or "Sukiyaki"?
Both were HUGE hits on both sides of the pond but how many folk on either side understood the lyrics?
So lyrics obviously can't be THAT important---otherwise people wouldn't have purchased these things
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:52:23 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)-----------
wrote:
What about records like "Volare" or "Sukiyaki"?
Both were HUGE hits on both sides of the pond but how many folk on either side understood the lyrics?
So lyrics obviously can't be THAT important---otherwise people wouldn't have purchased these things
Thanks for supporting your pal Bruce, Roger.
Lyrics can be important, it depends on the recording...
On 4/6/2024 4:10 PM, RWC wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:52:23 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)-----------
wrote:
What about records like "Volare" or "Sukiyaki"?
Both were HUGE hits on both sides of the pond but how many folk on either side understood the lyrics?
So lyrics obviously can't be THAT important---otherwise people wouldn't have purchased these things
Thanks for supporting your pal Bruce, Roger.
Lyrics can be important, it depends on the recording...
Well, this is as rare as a total eclipse: I agree with Geoff.
Bruce wrote:lyrics.
A guy in the Beatles group feels very similar to how I feel about
He posted:lyrics"
My take is music is no doubt about something ("meaning of
sense) to those who need it to be about something, starting with
the composer. And that's fine. It's just that any aboutness simply
hasn't typically added much to my joy over/with songs.
Another example: the harmony and duration of the sustain of themore deeply into
final "yeah" in "She Loves You" reaches much
me than whatever the song is about, whatever it meant to others,
to history, etc.
Of *course* I've chanced upon all such analysis of such over themore
years, but whereas such tends toward 'tl;dr', the sound of that
word presented by their voices at that moment in the song still
drops my jaw involuntarily.
I think part of what I was getting at was that I've tended to be
into the music than the meaning of any lyrics. But that's not tosay
I don't adore the *words* comprising the lyrics. However, for methe
important aspects of the words are more their pronunciation,syllable
metering, and musical notes underlying the vocalizing thereof.
Take "Help!", for example. Fantastic lyrics. And yet noneof them
give me the kind of chills/goosebumps that the first"When" does.
The power of that "When" for me isn't what 'when' means:it's the
sound of the word, how it's vocally attacked, whatever musicalnote
is underlying it relative to its surroundings, and that it's asingle
brief - yet sustained so exquisitely long - syllable sandwiched
between that wonderful descending guitar thing, and my all-time
favorite vocalist's voice entering the soundscape squarely in its
zone that's always moved/spoken to me - that voice itself.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:52:23 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
wrote:
What about records like "Volare" or "Sukiyaki"?
Both were HUGE hits on both sides of the pond but how many folk on either side understood the lyrics?
So lyrics obviously can't be THAT important---otherwise people wouldn't have purchased these things
Thanks for supporting your pal Bruce, Roger.
Lyrics can be important, it depends on the recording...
I thought you knew better than that, Roger. What about all the songs that are purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?
RWC wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:52:23 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
wrote:
What about records like "Volare" or "Sukiyaki"?
Both were HUGE hits on both sides of the pond but how many folk on either side understood the lyrics?
So lyrics obviously can't be THAT important---otherwise people wouldn't have purchased these things
Thanks for supporting your pal Bruce, Roger.
Lyrics can be important, it depends on the recording...
Give us an example of a recording where you think the lyrics are important.
bbug1 wrote:
I thought you knew better than that, Roger. What about all the songs that are purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?
If "songs" are purchased "because" of lyrics, then which artist is singing doesn't matter, right?
If you get the Crew Cuts "Earth Angel" it's just as good as the Penguins version if you are buying it "because" of the lyrics.
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:44:04 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
bbug1 wrote:
I thought you knew better than that, Roger. What about all the songs that are purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?
If "songs" are purchased "because" of lyrics, then which artist is singing doesn't matter, right?
If you get the Crew Cuts "Earth Angel" it's just as good as the Penguins version if you are buying it "because" of the lyrics.
No, Bruce, it's not as simple as that.
A song that is liked because of the lyrics also has to get a pass
mark as regards the sound that comes out of the speaker.
Bruce wrote:
If "songs" are purchased "because" of lyrics, then which artist is singing doesn't matter, right?
The people who purchased Whitney Houston's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner probably would not have bought Roseanne Barr's.
RWC wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:44:04 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
bbug1 wrote:
I thought you knew better than that, Roger. What about all the songs that >>>> are purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?
If "songs" are purchased "because" of lyrics, then which artist is singing >>> doesn't matter, right?
If you get the Crew Cuts "Earth Angel" it's just as good as the Penguins >>> version if you are buying it "because" of the lyrics.
No, Bruce, it's not as simple as that.
A song that is liked because of the lyrics also has to get a pass
mark as regards the sound that comes out of the speaker.
Then it's not just being bought because of the lyrics.
On Apr 21, 2024 at 11:50:45 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
RWC wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:44:04 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:
bbug1 wrote:
I thought you knew better than that, Roger. What about all the songs that >>>>> are purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?
If "songs" are purchased "because" of lyrics, then which artist is singing >>>> doesn't matter, right?
If you get the Crew Cuts "Earth Angel" it's just as good as the Penguins >>>> version if you are buying it "because" of the lyrics.
No, Bruce, it's not as simple as that.
A song that is liked because of the lyrics also has to get a pass
mark as regards the sound that comes out of the speaker.
Then it's not just being bought because of the lyrics.
Nobody here ever said that records are bought JUST because of the lyrics. All they have been saying is that the various pleasures of a record will sometimes
be increased because of the lyrics.
On Apr 21, 2024 at 5:25:15 PM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:
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Then it's not just being bought because of the lyrics.
Nobody here ever said that records are bought JUST because of the lyrics. All
they have been saying is that the various pleasures of a record will sometimes
be increased because of the lyrics.
I guess you missed this post from Bill:
bbug1 - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 16:02
I thought you knew better than that, Roger. What about all the songs that are
purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?
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What does Bill's opinions have to do with mine?
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Then it's not just being bought because of the lyrics.
Nobody here ever said that records are bought JUST because of the lyrics. All
they have been saying is that the various pleasures of a record will sometimes
be increased because of the lyrics.
I guess you missed this post from Bill:
bbug1 - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 16:02
I thought you knew better than that, Roger. What about all the songs that are purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?
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Bruce wrote:
BobRoman wrote:
Bruce wrote:
If "songs" are purchased "because" of lyrics, then which artist is singing doesn't matter, right?
The people who purchased Whitney Houston's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner probably would not have bought Roseanne Barr's.
So then it's not just being bought because of the lyrics.
Bill did not say "JUST for the lyrics."
Bruce wrote:
BobRoman wrote:
Bill did not say "JUST for the lyrics."
The just is understood with the way Bill worded it.
"What about all the songs that are purchased BECAUSE of the lyrics?"
I don't see it. If "because" was the same as "just because," Lloyd Price would have written a shorter song.
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