• Re: TEN FAVE UNRELEASED TRACKS FRwOM....1959

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to ROGER on Wed Aug 21 12:48:09 2024
    On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 12:31:49 +0000, ROGER wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:47:41 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Because only record collectors would take the stance that you have taken
    here, or even care about whether a release was bona fide or not. Non
    collectors like me and pretty much everyone else in this group only care
    about the actual music made by the artists, not about the physical
    records
    issued by the label owners.

    I appreciate you're trying to play some kind of silly "I'm superior to
    you" card

    Not at all. You are totally misreading this debate. There's nothing
    personal
    about it. Only record collectors care about bona fide, genuine, and even
    the
    fact that something was on a record. The rest of us just want to be able
    to
    listen to the actual music whatever way that it sounds good and is most convenient.
    At this point I can't imagine ever playing records anymore when I want
    to hear music.
    Playing records now to hear music would be like warming up food in the
    oven for 30
    minutes on 300 rather than just putting it in the microwave for 2 or 3
    minutes. It
    just makes no sense at all.

    Playing 45s and having to get up every 2-3 minutes to change the record,
    or flip it
    over would be intolerable now.

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  • From ROGER@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Aug 21 12:31:49 2024
    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:47:41 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:26:01 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 15:40:11 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 13:38:08 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 2:01:33 +0000, Mark D. wrote:

    On Aug 19, 2024 at 10:32:45 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:

    "bona fide" means genuine, real.

    Actually the Latin phrase means "in good faith." Genuine and real are >>>>> merely
    approximations. I'll leave it to you and Roger to decide whether
    bootlegged
    records are in good faith.

    I took "bona fide" to mean genuine

    And in that connection--as I said---bootlegs are certainly not

    Legalities have nothing to do with this IMO. It's a record, it plays
    just like a record issued legally. It's not a "fake" record, it's a real >>> record. I'm sure you have some bootlegs in your collection. Are they
    figments of your imagination, or are they real records

    I have hundreds of boots in my collection.They are all real boots

    My response to Mark was concerning the legal position of bootleg records

    You seem to have translated that legal position into my own personal
    opinion of bootleg records which is quite amusing--as I said I suppose I
    still have hundreds of boot 45's in my collection but the really
    hilarious aspect of this is how you arrived at your projection knowing
    my involvement in Moondog's Records,
    my association with guys like Mike Rascio and the Marianos....do I
    really need to go on?

    So is "Kansas City" by Wilbert Harrison a bona fide release?

    It was deemed to be an illegal release by the US courts and Robinson had >>> to pay Herman a hefty sum. So it's no different than a bootleg, and
    therefore not a genuine release in your eyes, right?

    I don't know the intricacies of the Harrison case but if the courts
    there say its illegal then its illegal.

    There I go speaking legally again!!! :)

    But don't hold your breath waiting for me to throw my Top Rank copy (I
    guess that's illegal too?) away any time soon

    I guess you are just a record collector first. Otherwise you would have
    sold them all, and made a lot of money.

    I did sell a lot via eBay over the past few years. And I did make a lot
    of money

    Because only record collectors would take the stance that you have taken
    here, or even care about
    whether a release was bona fide or not. Non collectors like me and
    pretty much everyone else in this group only care about the actual music
    made by the artists, not about the physical records issued by the label owners.

    I appreciate you're trying to play some kind of silly "I'm superior to
    you" card but I would remind you of my remarks above and leave others
    here to judge whether I was speaking personally or legally--or a bit of
    both :)

    I was never that serious of a record collector other than with Fats
    Domino, where I had every 45 and album except for some real early
    Imperial 45s, and I had most of those on 78s. Otherwise I just wanted
    the best sounding copies of the music, which is why I had a lot of
    reissue albums. Most of the time things sounded better on those than on original 45s. Once Diane exposed me to MP3s, I was free to start selling
    the records and I did. I still have several hundred things hanging on my walls for decoration, but I haven't cared about owning an actual record
    for over 20 years now. Give me a real clean sounding MP3 any day over
    some noisy record.

    Yes mp3s revolutionised everything,they were a boon and a blessing.

    And I don't remember the last time I added anything to my record shelves

    It's been a while

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