• National anthem again

    From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 23 13:06:02 2024
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess. Here's one I heard last night. I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Aug 23 17:47:09 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:06:02 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess. Here's one I heard last night. I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Fri Aug 23 18:53:42 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:35:06 +0000, bbug wrote:

    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    My moral standards have nothing to do with my evaluation of a musical
    piece. I still like some renditions of the song, like Marvin Gaye from
    the NBA all star game, but I'll never stand for the anthem because of
    who wrote it, among other reasons. I don't get all this "love your
    country" talk in general. Very few of us have ever lived in more than
    one country, let alone a lot of countries where we can give an informed
    opinion as to which country is the best.

    Roger has lived in the UK and the USA, so he could tell us which he
    prefers and why. A country, a state, a city, a town, etc.. is just a
    place where you live in my mind. I'm positive there are other places I
    could live that I would like more than where I live now. I'm just not
    willing to pick up and move to find out.

    I would think that someone like you who does care about lyrics and other
    things aside from what's coming out of the speakers would have a problem
    with a slave owner calling his country "the land of the free."

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 23 18:35:06 2024
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.

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  • From Steve Mc@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Aug 23 14:54:35 2024
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and maybe
    is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the national
    anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable. I guess to
    try to show off their annoying chops ?

    Steve Mc

    DNA to SBC to respond

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to bbug on Fri Aug 23 21:05:13 2024
    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is. It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Steve Mc on Fri Aug 23 21:02:54 2024
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and maybe
    is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the national
    anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable. I guess to
    try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Aug 24 02:02:57 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is. It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he
    really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get
    caught.

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  • From Steve Mc@21:1/5 to DianeE on Fri Aug 23 19:46:24 2024
    On 8/23/2024 6:02 PM, DianeE wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and
    maybe is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the
    national anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable.
    I guess to try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

    I didn't mean to imply that I thought it did.

    Just the Star Spangled Banner mention made me think of that.


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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Aug 23 22:47:05 2024
    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner. BTW, that only applies to the lyrics. The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an
    instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Aug 24 02:58:25 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 2:47:05 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the writer >>>> meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread
    trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he
    really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get
    caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner. BTW, that only applies to the lyrics. The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave
    owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.

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  • From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to stevemc209@sbcglobal.net on Fri Aug 23 22:37:41 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:46:24 -0700, Steve Mc
    <stevemc209@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 6:02 PM, DianeE wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and
    maybe is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the
    national anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable.
    I guess to try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

    I didn't mean to imply that I thought it did.

    Just the Star Spangled Banner mention made me think of that.

    I am with your position on the excess ornament hanging on that tune.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Jim Colegrove on Fri Aug 23 23:50:06 2024
    On 8/23/2024 11:37 PM, Jim Colegrove wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 19:46:24 -0700, Steve Mc
    <stevemc209@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 6:02 PM, DianeE wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 5:54 PM, Steve Mc wrote:
    On 8/23/2024 10:06 AM, DianeE wrote:
    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess.  Here's one I heard last night.  I don't like the >>>>> ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    What drove me crazy, and this started quite a few years ago, and
    maybe is still going on, but it seemed like anybody that sang the
    national anthem would put 23 or 24 notes into almost every syllable.
    I guess to try to show off their annoying chops ?
    --------
    I believe it started with Jose Feliciano.

    Anyhow the version I posted does not fit that description.

    I didn't mean to imply that I thought it did.

    Just the Star Spangled Banner mention made me think of that.

    I am with your position on the excess ornament hanging on that tune.

    ------------
    Me too. IMO, Whitney Houston's much-admired version is a bravura
    performance, but the song itself gets lost in there.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Aug 23 23:18:14 2024
    On 8/23/2024 10:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 2:47:05 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the
    writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread >>>>> trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer,
    could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one
    of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do
    that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he >>> really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get
    caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner.  BTW, that only applies to the lyrics.  The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an
    instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.
    ---------------
    Okay, let's review here.
    I post a link to a version of the anthem that I very much enjoyed
    listening to.

    You respond "FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner."

    *Then* you say you have no objection to what it sounds like, you only
    have a problem with people wanting you to show reverence.
    Well, nobody asked you to show reverence. I said I liked this version,
    I didn't say "Stand up, take your hat off, and listen to it." I said I
    enjoyed listening to it and you said "FUCK the national anthem, it was
    written by a slave owner."

    Or did you say "Covfefe?" Just as meaningful.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Aug 24 04:45:46 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 3:18:14 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:58 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 2:47:05 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 10:02 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 1:05:13 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 8/23/2024 2:35 PM, bbug wrote:
    FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner.

    So now it's not what comes out of the speakers. It's whether the
    writer
    meets your moral standards.

    This can't be anything other than a return to your days of widespread >>>>>> trolling.
    ----------
    Of course it is.  It comes from the man who passionately defends
    listening to Charles Manson, who, besides being a multiple murderer, >>>>> could be accused with some justification of owning slaves.

    It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a >>>> problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played. I
    like a couple of Manson's songs, and the Beach Boys liked at least one >>>> of them, which they recorded after they changed the title and Dennis
    took the writing credits....I guess he paid Charlie for the right to do >>>> that.

    Diane, would you stop listening to Howlin' Wolf if you found out that he >>>> really did kill someone, and maybe even more than one? No doubt there
    are records that you like by people who were murderers and did not get >>>> caught.
    ----------------
    Well, I listen to Little Willie John, and he killed someone, but you're
    the one who's bitching and moaning about the national anthem being
    written by a slaveowner.  BTW, that only applies to the lyrics.  The
    music was an old British drinking song, not written by a slaveowner, so
    by your logic you ought to stand up and take your hat off when an
    instrumental version of it is played, as at the Olympics.

    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave
    owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.
    ---------------
    Okay, let's review here.
    I post a link to a version of the anthem that I very much enjoyed
    listening to.

    You respond "FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner."

    *Then* you say you have no objection to what it sounds like, you only
    have a problem with people wanting you to show reverence.
    Well, nobody asked you to show reverence. I said I liked this version,
    I didn't say "Stand up, take your hat off, and listen to it." I said I enjoyed listening to it and you said "FUCK the national anthem, it was written by a slave owner."

    Or did you say "Covfefe?" Just as meaningful.

    I saw the anthem mentioned and it reminded me to mention that it was
    written by a slave owner which sticks in my mind more than discussing
    the Chicks version which wasn't bad.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 09:39:20 2024
    "It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a
    problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played."


    I don't believe Diane was asking you to show reverence when you
    commented "fuck the national anthem. It was written by a slave owner."

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 09:44:06 2024
    I remember being blown away by the sincerity in Jose Feliciano's
    version, but I do agree with Steve's complaint about modern singers. In
    fact, it drives me crazy.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Sat Aug 24 13:48:13 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 9:44:06 +0000, bbug wrote:

    I remember being blown away by the sincerity in Jose Feliciano's
    version, but I do agree with Steve's complaint about modern singers. In
    fact, it drives me crazy.

    Me too. I call it "The Patti Labelle Effect."

    I particularly hate it when a singer from our era starts doing it to
    their old songs. UGHA once had a luncheon with the Cardinals as the entertainment. At this time Junior Denby was in the group so they did
    a couple of his Swallows songs. He sang them adding inflections that did
    not occur yet when those records were made which ruined them for me.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Sat Aug 24 13:43:11 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 9:39:20 +0000, bbug wrote:

    "It's not trolling at all. I've already explained that I have no
    objection to what "The Star Spangled Banner" sounds like. I only have a problem with people wanting me to show reverence when it is played."


    I don't believe Diane was asking you to show reverence when you
    commented "fuck the national anthem. It was written by a slave owner."

    She wasn't. But when I read "National anthem" I saw RED.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 15:03:19 2024
    Are you saying that live performances should exactly mimic the original recordings? I have no problem with embellishing the original. Many live recordings are better than the recorded originals, for example Johnny
    Cash's "Folsom Prison Blues."

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Sat Aug 24 14:28:28 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 14:25:03 +0000, bbug wrote:

    It's called melisma. My first notice of it was pleasurable, Tony
    Williams of the Platters in "Only You." But it didn't take long until it
    was corrupted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melisma

    It's not just that, it's also when they ad lib things in between the
    actual lyrics, like "oh girl," or "yes I did," or shit like that. Denby
    was doing stuff like that, like he would sing "Beside You, is where I
    wanna be" and then he'd ad lib "yes I do girl." or something like that.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 14:25:03 2024
    It's called melisma. My first notice of it was pleasurable, Tony
    Williams of the Platters in "Only You." But it didn't take long until it
    was corrupted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melisma

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Sat Aug 24 16:15:33 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:03:19 +0000, bbug wrote:

    Are you saying that live performances should exactly mimic the original recordings?

    Yes, as closely as possible. Certain artists like Fats Domino took great
    care in having his
    live performances sound as close to the record as possible, which is
    what most fans want. They
    want it to sound like the records sound.

    I have no problem with embellishing the original.

    I have a big problem with it.

    Many live recordings are better than the recorded originals, for example Johnny
    Cash's "Folsom Prison Blues."

    As far as I am concerned the original Sun studio version of that is an
    awesome 10, and in my top 100
    favorite recordings of all time. The sped up live version from 1968 for
    me is a low 7.

    There are SOME live versions that I like better, but they are few and
    far between, like...

    Smoke On The Water - Deep Purple
    Conquistador - Procol Harum
    Money Honey - Elvis
    Shake, Rattle And Roll - Elvis
    Fine And Mellow - Billie Holiday
    Sing, Sing, Sing - Benny Goodman
    It's Too Late - Chuck Willis (live version has no female background
    singers)
    Fingertips - Stevie Wonder
    Dust My Broom - Howlin' Wolf

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Aug 24 13:30:05 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 13:06:02 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    I have a thing for acappella harmony versions of the U.S. national
    anthem, I guess. Here's one I heard last night. I don't like the
    ending but the rest of it is flawless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QagwZLZmVak

    I don't like the vocal arrangement, it often grates, making
    me wince at times, it's not a harmonious three-voice sound.

    for me, these acappella renditions are nice, and harmonious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkfGClpS_oc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vPZekZWbak
    and the quartet is pleasingly ethnically diverse

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 20:45:05 2024
    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave
    owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.

    Standing for the national anthem does not mean you are displaying honor
    and reverence should you not choose to be doing so. It is just an
    indication of respect for the national flag under which you reside. And
    that flag deserves respect whoever is running the government or whatever
    its policies may be.

    Would you burn the flag for any reason? If not, you should have no
    problem standing for the anthem. The difference is merely one of degree.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 20:58:40 2024
    Sing along if you want to honor or respect the anthem. Stand silently if
    you don't.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Sat Aug 24 21:56:42 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 20:45:05 +0000, bbug wrote:

    I wouldn't stand for the anthem even before I knew that Key was a slave
    owner. I just don't get this thing about thinking that the place that
    you live or are from is special and must be honored and revered.

    Standing for the national anthem does not mean you are displaying honor
    and reverence should you not choose to be doing so. It is just an
    indication of respect for the national flag under which you reside. And
    that flag deserves respect whoever is running the government or whatever
    its policies may be.

    Sorry, I just don't agree that ANY piece of cloth deserves respect. The
    Indians and the enslaved peoples in this land deserved a lot more
    respect than any piece of cloth, and they did not get it from most of
    the schmucks who revered the piece of cloth.

    Would you burn the flag for any reason?

    Sure, if I was freezing in the winter in a blackout or something it
    would provide a little heat for awhile. I wouldn't go out of my way to
    burn it. If I found one in my attic left here by the former owners of
    the house I would just toss it in the garbage.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Sat Aug 24 21:50:56 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 20:58:40 +0000, bbug wrote:

    Sing along if you want to honor or respect the anthem. Stand silently if
    you don't.

    I won't be standing, and I may not be quiet either.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 22:26:19 2024
    So you're not proud to be an American. Are you at lease glad? Can you
    think of another country you might be happier in?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to bbug on Sat Aug 24 23:31:17 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 22:26:19 +0000, bbug wrote:

    So you're not proud to be an American.

    I don't see why it should have anything to do with pride. I happened to
    be born here.

    Are you at lease glad?

    I guess, it's a lot better than being in most of the other countries
    where it's not that safe and they have some crazy laws.

    Can you think of another country you might be happier in?

    Well I'm not willing to have to learn another language at this point in
    my life, so I guess that leaves Australia, New Zealand, Canada, England
    and a few others. I'm not likely to be killed in one of these mass
    shootings that the USA specializes in since I don't even leave the house
    much, but that would be a factor for many other people. I'd say one of
    the biggest problems with the US is the lack of income equality. We have
    many billionaires, and millions of millionaires, but also tons of very
    poor people.

    The numbers tell us that residents of several other countries live
    happier lives than than we do here. These are the Top 10 countries where
    the citizens are the most happiest in 2024. We don't even make the top
    10, Bill. The list comes from the World Population Review. I gather that
    it is based on surveys of citizens from each country.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world

    Finland 7.74
    Denmark 7.58
    Iceland 7.53
    Sweden 7.34
    Israel 7.34
    Netherlands 7.32
    Norway 7.30
    Luxembourg 7.12
    Australia 7.06
    Switzerland 7.06

    This list below comes from Forbes. We are not in the top 20.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/03/19/ranked-the-20-happiest-countries-in-the-world-in-2024/

    World’s 20 Happiest Countries In 2024.

    Finland
    Denmark
    Iceland
    Sweden
    Israel
    Netherlands
    Norway
    Luxembourg
    Switzerland
    Australia
    New Zealand
    Costa Rica
    Kuwait
    Austria
    Canada
    Belgium
    Ireland
    Czechia
    Lithuania
    United Kingdom

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Aug 24 20:51:48 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 23:31:17 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    The numbers tell us that residents of several other countries live
    happier lives than than we do here. These are the Top 10 countries where
    the citizens are the most happiest in 2024. We don't even make the top
    10, Bill. The list comes from the World Population Review. I gather that
    it is based on surveys of citizens from each country.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world

    This list below comes from Forbes. We are not in the top 20.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/03/19/ranked-the-20-happiest-countries-in-the-world-in-2024/

    It oh so depends, in most cases, on how wealthy you are.

    Wealthy folk tend to lead lives quite apart from the hoi polloi.

    Language aside, a multi-millionaire American might be far happier
    living in the U.S.A. than in Finland or Denmark, as they can afford
    local world-class healthcare, the very best education for their
    children, etc, etc.

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