• Re: OT - Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz

    From Jim Colegrove@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Sep 28 08:48:30 2024
    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the >political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after
    progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next
    Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this
    will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread
    and let us know where you ended up.


    'Establishment Liberal'

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Jim Colegrove on Sat Sep 28 15:10:01 2024
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:48:30 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the >>political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after >>progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next >>Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this
    will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread
    and let us know where you ended up.


    'Establishment Liberal'

    Join the club!

    Me, you, Diane and Dean so far.

    And then there's the "Slight Right" club with charter members Roger and
    Bill. They are so much alike those two!

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  • From Mark D.@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 28 15:52:44 2024
    On Sep 28, 2024 at 10:10:01 AM CDT, "Bruce" <Bruce> wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:48:30 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the
    political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after
    progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next
    Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this
    will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread
    and let us know where you ended up.


    'Establishment Liberal'

    Join the club!

    Me, you, Diane and Dean so far.

    And then there's the "Slight Right" club with charter members Roger and
    Bill. They are so much alike those two!

    No surprises here.

    --md

    remove "xx" for email

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Sep 28 12:39:49 2024
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 15:10:01 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:48:30 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:

    'Establishment Liberal'

    Join the club!

    Me, you, Diane and Dean so far.

    and Geoff, 5 from slight to middle left so far

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Sep 28 21:11:57 2024
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 20:59:12 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 15:10:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:48:30 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the >>>>political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment >>>>Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after >>>>progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next >>>>Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this >>>>will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread >>>>and let us know where you ended up.


    'Establishment Liberal'

    Join the club!

    Me, you, Diane and Dean so far.

    And then there's the "Slight Right" club with charter members Roger and
    Bill. They are so much alike those two!

    Apart from this apparent small political alignment I'm wondering what
    else this last comment relates to?

    It's sarcastic humor.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Sep 28 20:59:12 2024
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 15:10:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:48:30 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the >>>political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment >>>Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after >>>progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next >>>Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this >>>will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread
    and let us know where you ended up.


    'Establishment Liberal'

    Join the club!

    Me, you, Diane and Dean so far.

    And then there's the "Slight Right" club with charter members Roger and
    Bill. They are so much alike those two!

    Apart from this apparent small political alignment I'm wondering what
    else this last comment relates to?

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Dean on Sun Sep 29 03:19:06 2024
    On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 3:04:54 +0000, Dean wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 6:30:40 +0000, Roger wrote:

    Came out as AMBLIVALENT RIGHT (along with 12% of USA public)

    As long as that doesn't make me a rabid Trump supporter (which I
    certainly am NOT) then I'm okay with that :)

    You may lean conservative, but you're not unreasonable about it. At
    least, that has always been my impression of you.

    Apparently what passes for a solid conservative in the UK is just a mild conservative here.

    I'm shocked that that there were no questions about abortion.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to BobRoman on Sun Sep 29 23:51:24 2024
    On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 22:00:29 +0000, BobRoman wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 15:10:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 13:48:30 +0000, Jim Colegrove wrote:

    'Establishment Liberal'

    Join the club!

    Me, you, Diane and Dean so far.

    Add another.

    On the other hand, the fact that it has become a useful diagnostic
    question to ask whether expertise is even useful makes me think that traditional political categories are becoming meaningless in the age of Trump.

    --
    BR

    I was hoping you'd take it. Join the club.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 30 12:26:36 2024
    Roger and I are apparently the only two moderates in our little group, According to this:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/politics-policy/political-parties-polarization/political-typology/

    There are three tiers to the right of Ambivalent Right and only one to
    the left of Establishment Liberal.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to bbug on Mon Sep 30 14:04:35 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:26:36 +0000, bbug wrote:

    Roger and I are apparently the only two moderates in our little group, According to this:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/politics-policy/political-parties-polarization/political-typology/

    There are three tiers to the right of Ambivalent Right and only one to
    the left of Establishment Liberal.

    Damn right!!!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Mon Sep 30 14:39:01 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:04:35 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:26:36 +0000, bbug wrote:

    Roger and I are apparently the only two moderates in our little group,
    According to this:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/politics-policy/political-parties-polarization/political-typology/

    There are three tiers to the right of Ambivalent Right and only one to
    the left of Establishment Liberal.

    Damn right!!!

    You two seem to be bragging about being wishy washy.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Sep 30 15:04:38 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:39:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:04:35 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:26:36 +0000, bbug wrote:

    Roger and I are apparently the only two moderates in our little group,
    According to this:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/politics-policy/political-parties-polarization/political-typology/

    There are three tiers to the right of Ambivalent Right and only one to
    the left of Establishment Liberal.

    Damn right!!!

    You two seem to be bragging about being wishy washy.

    Now don't be silly.

    There is nothing "wishy washy"--as you put it--about my political stance

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Mon Sep 30 15:19:13 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:04:38 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:39:01 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 14:04:35 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:26:36 +0000, bbug wrote:

    Roger and I are apparently the only two moderates in our little group, >>>> According to this:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/topic/politics-policy/political-parties-polarization/political-typology/

    There are three tiers to the right of Ambivalent Right and only one to >>>> the left of Establishment Liberal.

    Damn right!!!

    You two seem to be bragging about being wishy washy.

    Now don't be silly.

    There is nothing "wishy washy"--as you put it--about my political stance

    I believe you are pro abortion so if they had an abortion question on
    the quiz that would have placed you further left and directly in the
    middle as not liberal or conservative.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 30 12:44:20 2024
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz. And it doesn't really tell
    us anything about the political spectrum, because, for example, most
    real "conservatives" in the U.S. are more like George Bush Sr. & Jr. or
    Mitt Romney, and less like the bomb-throwing right wingers who refer to themselves as "conservatives" but do not fit the classical definition of limited-government pro-privatizing libertarians.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to DianeE on Mon Sep 30 12:47:21 2024
    On 9/30/2024 12:44 PM, DianeE wrote:
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz.  And it doesn't really tell
    us anything about the political spectrum, because, for example, most
    real "conservatives" in the U.S. are more like George Bush Sr. & Jr. or
    Mitt Romney, and less like the bomb-throwing right wingers who refer to themselves as "conservatives" but do not fit the classical definition of limited-government pro-privatizing libertarians.
    -----------
    Furthermore, the people who call themselves "progressives" are very far
    to the left of me. There should be a category for outright Socialists.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Mon Sep 30 18:30:43 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:21 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 9/30/2024 12:44 PM, DianeE wrote:
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz.  And it doesn't really tell
    us anything about the political spectrum, because, for example, most
    real "conservatives" in the U.S. are more like George Bush Sr. & Jr. or
    Mitt Romney, and less like the bomb-throwing right wingers who refer to
    themselves as "conservatives" but do not fit the classical definition of
    limited-government pro-privatizing libertarians.
    -----------
    Furthermore, the people who call themselves "progressives" are very far
    to the left of me.

    Not really. What else you differ on with them other than Israel?

    There should be a category for outright Socialists.

    They are not gonna have a category that is less than 1% of the country.
    Just like there is no KKK category at the far right.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Sep 30 17:53:51 2024
    On 9/30/2024 2:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:21 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 9/30/2024 12:44 PM, DianeE wrote:
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz.  And it doesn't really tell >>> us anything about the political spectrum, because, for example, most
    real "conservatives" in the U.S. are more like George Bush Sr. & Jr. or
    Mitt Romney, and less like the bomb-throwing right wingers who refer to
    themselves as "conservatives" but do not fit the classical definition of >>> limited-government pro-privatizing libertarians.
    -----------
    Furthermore, the people who call themselves "progressives" are very far
    to the left of me.

    Not really. What else you differ on with them other than Israel?

    --------------

    But Israel is *huge*.
    I also disagree with them vehemently on "reparations," and on several
    other things that I don't want to discuss publicly (although you know
    very well what they are).

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to DianeE on Mon Sep 30 18:26:52 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:47:21 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 9/30/2024 12:44 PM, DianeE wrote:
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz. 

    It's more the simplistic results that are of limited value - for
    assessing an individual's collection of political stances. A voter who
    is generally left of center might have one or two 'disguised' mid-right
    stances on key issues. For instance, Geoff is against *mass* immigration because it might eventually cause serious problems in society (regarding cultural values, and/or housing affordability and demands on public
    service infrastructure.)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to BobRoman on Mon Sep 30 23:56:59 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:31:34 +0000, BobRoman wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:44:20 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz.

    It's not well-designed to map serious political ideology.
    It might be well-designed to predict vote in the Trump era.

    I think that even the Bushes, Romney, Cheney, and Pence would lean left
    on this particular test.
    Maybe they would be hilariously categorized as "Democratic Mainstays."

    No way. Those people are all strong conservatives on almost all of these questions. They just are against Trump.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Mon Sep 30 23:54:28 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 21:53:51 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 9/30/2024 2:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:47:21 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    On 9/30/2024 12:44 PM, DianeE wrote:
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz.  And it doesn't really tell >>>> us anything about the political spectrum, because, for example, most
    real "conservatives" in the U.S. are more like George Bush Sr. & Jr. or >>>> Mitt Romney, and less like the bomb-throwing right wingers who refer to >>>> themselves as "conservatives" but do not fit the classical definition of >>>> limited-government pro-privatizing libertarians.
    -----------
    Furthermore, the people who call themselves "progressives" are very far
    to the left of me.

    Not really. What else you differ on with them other than Israel?

    --------------

    But Israel is *huge*.

    But if the quiz had been before last October Israel would not have ben
    big at all. It's only since then that leftists have come out so much
    against Israel.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Oct 1 00:24:34 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 23:56:59 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:31:34 +0000, BobRoman wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:44:20 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz.

    It's not well-designed to map serious political ideology.
    It might be well-designed to predict vote in the Trump era.

    I think that even the Bushes, Romney, Cheney, and Pence would lean left
    on this particular test.
    Maybe they would be hilariously categorized as "Democratic Mainstays."

    No way. Those people are all strong conservatives on almost all of these questions. They just are against Trump.

    So Bob, you think that Bill and Roger are more conservative than the 2
    Cheneys?

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Sep 30 21:31:01 2024
    On 9/30/2024 8:24 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 23:56:59 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:31:34 +0000, BobRoman wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 16:44:20 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz.

    It's not well-designed to map serious political ideology.
    It might be well-designed to predict vote in the Trump era.

    I think that even the Bushes, Romney, Cheney, and Pence would lean left
    on this particular test.
    Maybe they would be hilariously categorized as "Democratic Mainstays."

    No way. Those people are all strong conservatives on almost all of these
    questions. They just are against Trump.

    So Bob, you think that Bill and Roger are more conservative than the 2 Cheneys?
    -----------
    This quiz seems to measure racism/xenophobia more than actual
    conservatism. For example, the question about immigration causing
    "losing our identity as a nation" (this must be bitterly ironic to any
    Native American that reads it), and the question about whether hearing
    foreign languages spoken makes you uncomfortable.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Oct 1 19:52:33 2024
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:26:52 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:47:21 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 9/30/2024 12:44 PM, DianeE wrote:
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz. 

    It's more the simplistic results that are of limited value - for
    assessing an individual's collection of political stances. A voter who
    is generally left of center might have one or two 'disguised' mid-right stances on key issues. For instance, Geoff is against *mass* immigration because it might eventually cause serious problems in society (regarding cultural values, and/or housing affordability and demands on public
    service infrastructure.)

    OTOH Roger is perfectly OK with measured legal migration where the
    incoming parties are often bringing job qualifications and expertise
    with them.

    What Roger is totally against is the huge amount of ILLEGAL migration
    currently going on VERY big time from France to England across the
    narrowest part of the English Channel (22 miles or so wide) near Dover.

    Instead of treating these people with kid gloves and placing them often
    in three and four star hotel rooms at HUGE expense to the UK taxpayer
    they should be turned around at sea and forced back to France regardless
    of the inevitable French reaction.

    Such action would mean us leaving the ECHR (the European court) plus
    passing new legislation forbidding the immigrants from mounting any kind
    of legal challenges against such action and preventing any UK lawyers
    acting on their behalf on pain of being struck off

    NOW we're getting someplace!!

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Tue Oct 1 22:51:28 2024
    On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 19:52:33 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:26:52 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:47:21 -0400, DianeE <DianeE@NoSpam.net> wrote:

    On 9/30/2024 12:44 PM, DianeE wrote:
    Look, it's not really a well-designed quiz. 

    It's more the simplistic results that are of limited value - for
    assessing an individual's collection of political stances. A voter who
    is generally left of center might have one or two 'disguised' mid-right
    stances on key issues. For instance, Geoff is against *mass* immigration
    because it might eventually cause serious problems in society (regarding
    cultural values, and/or housing affordability and demands on public
    service infrastructure.)

    OTOH Roger is perfectly OK with measured legal migration where the
    incoming parties are often bringing job qualifications and expertise
    with them.

    What Roger is totally against is the huge amount of ILLEGAL migration currently going on VERY big time from France to England across the
    narrowest part of the English Channel (22 miles or so wide) near Dover.

    Instead of treating these people with kid gloves and placing them often
    in three and four star hotel rooms at HUGE expense to the UK taxpayer
    they should be turned around at sea and forced back to France regardless
    of the inevitable French reaction.

    Such action would mean us leaving the ECHR (the European court) plus
    passing new legislation forbidding the immigrants from mounting any kind
    of legal challenges against such action and preventing any UK lawyers
    acting on their behalf on pain of being struck off

    NOW we're getting someplace!!

    I don't think you can outlaw legal challenges. Anybody has the right to
    put forth a legal challenge. You can change the laws so that the judges
    will dismiss the cases more often, but I don't think you can just people
    from filing a legal challenge.

    For that question about immigration, did you say that you don't want it
    because your country will be "losing our identity as a nation?"

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Tue Oct 1 23:35:30 2024
    On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 19:52:33 +0000, Roger wrote:

    What Roger is totally against is the huge amount of ILLEGAL migration currently going on VERY big time from France to England across the
    narrowest part of the English Channel (22 miles or so wide) near Dover.

    You are very hung up on LEGAL and ILLEGAL when it comes to immigration.
    To me it doesn't matter much at all. If I was one of those people trying
    to get away from gangs and an oppressive government I'm gonna go there
    either way.

    So why are these migrants coming from France to England? Why don't they
    just stay in France? Is there something about the UK that makes it a
    better place for them to come to than France?

    So called "illegal immigrants" here commit fewer crimes than legal
    Americans, and work at many jobs that few Americans are willing to do.
    They also pay into things like social security and unemployment where
    they are not eligible for any benefits.

    I asked copilot about this same thing in the UK:


    Sent by you:
    In the UK who commits more crimes, illegal immigrants or English
    citizens?


    Sent by Copilot:
    The relationship between immigration and crime is complex and often
    influenced by various factors. According to available data, there isn’t
    a straightforward comparison between crimes committed by illegal
    immigrants and English citizens. However, research generally indicates
    that immigrants, including illegal immigrants, are less likely to commit
    crimes compared to native-born citizens12.

    For instance, a study by the Migration Observatory found that
    foreign-born individuals often have lower arrest and conviction rates
    than UK-born individuals. Additionally, the British Crime Survey
    suggests that immigrants are less likely to report being victims of
    crime, which might also reflect lower involvement in criminal
    activities.

    It’s important to approach this topic with sensitivity and consider the broader social and economic contexts that influence crime rates.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Tue Oct 1 22:01:56 2024
    On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 23:35:30 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    So why are these migrants coming from France to England? Why don't they
    just stay in France? Is there something about the UK that makes it a
    better place for them to come to than France?

    Copilot kindly informs us:

    There are several reasons why some immigrants who arrive in France choose
    to take the risk of crossing the Channel to the UK:

    1. **Family and Community Ties**: Many immigrants have family or friends already living in the UK. Reuniting with loved ones can be a strong
    motivator.

    2. **Language and Cultural Familiarity**: English is a widely spoken
    language, and some immigrants may already have some knowledge of it,
    making it easier to integrate and navigate daily life.

    3. **Perceived Better Opportunities**: The UK is often seen as having
    better economic opportunities, job prospects, and a more favorable asylum process compared to France.

    4. **Asylum Acceptance Rates**: The UK has a higher acceptance rate for
    asylum applications compared to France, which can influence the decision
    to move on from France.

    5. **Living Conditions**: Some immigrants face poor living conditions in France, especially in informal camps like those in Calais, which can push
    them to seek better conditions in the UK.

    6. **Smugglers' Influence**: People smugglers often play a significant
    role, promising safe passage to the UK, which can be a compelling, though dangerous, option for many.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to RWC on Tue Oct 1 22:43:36 2024
    On Tue, 01 Oct 2024 22:01:56 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 23:35:30 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    So why are these migrants coming from France to England? Why don't they >>just stay in France? Is there something about the UK that makes it a
    better place for them to come to than France?

    Copilot kindly informs us:

    There are several reasons why some immigrants who arrive in France choose
    to take the risk of crossing the Channel to the UK:

    ...

    Question for Copilot regarding Muslim immigrants to the UK:

    What community organizations and support networks are there for Muslim immigrants?

    Here are a few notable ones:

    1. **Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)**: This is an umbrella organization
    that represents the interests of Muslims in the UK. They provide various services, including advocacy, community support, and educational
    resources.

    2. **Islamic Relief UK**: This organization offers a range of services, including emergency relief, development programs, and support for
    refugees and asylum seekers.

    3. **Refugee Council**: While not exclusively for Muslims, the Refugee
    Council provides extensive support for refugees and asylum seekers,
    including housing, legal advice, and integration services.

    4. **British Islamic Medical Association (BIMA)**: BIMA supports Muslim healthcare professionals and provides health-related services to the
    community, including mental health support.

    5. **Muslim Aid**: This charity offers a variety of services, including emergency relief, development programs, and support for refugees and
    asylum seekers.

    These organizations play a crucial role in helping Muslim immigrants
    navigate their new lives in the UK, offering everything from legal
    assistance to community integration programs.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 27 22:58:25 2024
    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the
    political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after
    progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next
    Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this
    will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread
    and let us know where you ended up.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to RWC on Sat Sep 28 00:08:44 2024
    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 23:19:44 -0400, RWC <letsrock@opbox.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the >>political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after >>progressive.

    Geoff came out 'Establishment Liberal'
    '… along with 13% the public'

    I then tried to pretend to be a MAGA/Trump supporter and
    shock horror I was labeled a 'Faith and Flag Conservative' :-)

    Pew describes this political group (10% of Public) as being:
    "Staunchly conservative on all issues; deeply loyal to Donald Trump"

    For a much fuller, and easy to read, 2021 Pew report on F&FCs: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/faith-and-flag-conservatives/

    On another Pew topic, are you in the American Middle Class: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/16/are-you-in-the-american-middle-class/
    One person housholds in NYC need to earn $37,000+ before tax to be
    deemed 'middle-class'.

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to Bruce on Fri Sep 27 23:19:44 2024
    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the >political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after
    progressive.

    Geoff came out 'Establishment Liberal'
    '… along with 13% the public'

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to RWC on Sat Sep 28 05:49:17 2024
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 3:19:44 +0000, RWC wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, savoybg@aol.com (Bruce) wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the >>political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after >>progressive.

    Geoff came out 'Establishment Liberal'
    'Â… along with 13% the public'

    Same as Diane and me.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Sep 28 06:30:40 2024
    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after
    progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next
    Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this
    will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread
    and let us know where you ended up.

    Obviously I had to "translate" some of the questions to a more British
    setting but it seemed to work okay

    Came out as AMBLIVALENT RIGHT (along with 12% of USA public)

    As long as that doesn't make me a rabid Trump supporter (which I
    certainly am NOT) then I'm okay with that :)

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Sep 28 06:46:30 2024
    On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 6:30:40 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 22:58:25 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Take the Pew Political Typology Quiz and see where you fit in on the
    political spectrum. Diane and I both came out as as "Establishment
    Liberal" which is the second most Liberal classification after
    progressive.

    You have to scroll up a bit for the questions after you hit "Next
    Question." Even on the first question when you start the quiz.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwurS3BhCGARIsADdUH532XdXKjrSAkEHfSHwCn4tvj2JtK1-Kh8PkCAjdjqsNKuah2TvU3UgaAvRbEALw_wcB

    There are only 16 questions, all with multiple choice answers, so this
    will only take you like 5 minutes to do. Then come back to the thread
    and let us know where you ended up.

    Obviously I had to "translate" some of the questions to a more British setting but it seemed to work okay

    Came out as AMBLIVALENT RIGHT (along with 12% of USA public)

    As long as that doesn't make me a rabid Trump supporter (which I
    certainly am NOT) then I'm okay with that :)

    So you are a bit right of center I guess. I'm shocked there were no
    abortion questions.

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  • From bbug@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 28 09:33:22 2024
    Ambivalent Right

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