• Re: ROOTS ROCK RADIO: October 20th

    From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 03:38:40 2024
    The title of the show is a misnomer to me. I don't consider any records
    from 1954 and up to be part of the "Roots" of rock and roll. To me the
    roots are all from the mid to late 40s and the early 50s. Certainly not
    things like Chubby Checker. The surf instrumentals played on this show
    are not even close. It was the 60s crowd who liked the Beach Boys and
    Beatles who also liked the surf instrumentals. I don't know any guys who
    are late 70s and 80s now who liked that stuff. Guys like Donn Fileti,
    Bill Olb, George Lavatelli, Jim Hunt, Val Shively, etc.. considered surf instrumentals to be kids stuff.

    To me the Roots would be acts like Amos Milburn, Roy Brown, Wynonie
    Harris, The Orioles, The Ravens, Louis Jordan, The Dominoes, The
    Clovers, Ruth Brown, Roy Milton, Joe Liggins, The Robins, Fats Domino (1950-1953) etc...

    This is basically a pre-Beatles oldies show. Mostly well known records
    from the mid-50s through like 1963. Nothing wrong with that, and I would
    have really liked it like 50 years ago when I was first discovering
    these kinds of things. But nowadays I want to hear good records that I
    either don't know yet, or are not real familiar with.

    That's why I like the Soul years countdowns because there are always at
    least a few records that I don't already know, and others that I don't
    know that well. Same reason that I have never listened to your Pop chart countdowns. Nothing for me to learn there, and also there will be
    several records that I don't even like or even hate.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Dean on Mon Oct 21 05:43:05 2024
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 1:45:51 +0000, Dean wrote:

    The latest ROOTS ROCK RADIO is archived at the link below. As with last week's show, this playlist is shorter than usual due to WRTC's annual
    pledge drive. I had to do way more talking than I'd have preferred.

    Also like last week, I stuck mainly to familiar chart hits in the hope
    of getting more donations. Thankfully, my part in the pledge break is
    over. As of next Sunday, I can shut up and just play the damned music!

    1. OUT OF LIMITS, The Marketts

    First pressings of this had the original title "Outer Limits" like the
    old TV show
    https://www.45cat.com/record/5391

    5. HEARTBREAK HOTEL, Elvis Presley

    His first single released here in UK and similar kind of smasheroo
    that it was in USA---except it was kept from the #1 spot here by Pat
    Boone and "I'll Be Home"

    6. TONIGHT I FELL IN LOVE, The Tokens

    My favorite record by these guys. I positively loathed "The Lion Sleeps Tonight"

    7. TOSSIN’ AND TURNIN’, Bobby Lewis

    The best selling single of 1961 in the USA but didn't even dent the UK
    charts. Sacrilege!

    11. ONLY YOU, The Platters

    A good case of an act re-making one of their earlier recordings in a
    much better version

    14. SPEEDOO, The Cadillacs

    I have this high in my "Fave Top 20 By A Vocal Group - 1955" and mention
    the three main versions of this song that were out at the time---The Cadillacs,The Commodores and Steve Lawrence.

    Here in UK we got two of them . Guess which one got missed

    20. THE TWIST, Chubby Checker

    Over here the twist craze only happened in 1962--this record didn't mean
    much first time around. And even in '62 when it finally charted here it
    was the sequel "Let's Twist Again" that sold better and reached #1

    23. DROWN IN MY OWN TEARS, Ray Charles

    One of my very top RC favorite recordings and there's a terrific live performance of it out there too

    24. I ONLY HAVE EYES FOR YOU, The Flamingos

    My favorite version of the old Dick Powell "Dames" number. The Flamingos
    work wonders with it

    27. LET’S JUMP THE BROOMSTICK, Brenda Lee

    Dunno what happened with this one here---it was a 1959 single in the USA
    but it was 1961 before it finally appeared here. Still delivered a #14
    hit for the little lady tho

    32. DEDICATED TO THE ONE I LOVE, The Shirelles

    One of the best things they ever did. It's the superior version of the
    song for me too---better even than the 5 Royales

    38. GOODNITE SWEETHEART GOODNITE, The Spaniels

    The ultimate sign off record I guess

    http://wrtc.streamrewind.com/bookmarks/listen/419132/rock-roots-rock-radio

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Dean on Mon Oct 21 06:37:00 2024
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 5:23:04 +0000, Dean wrote:

    I do those R&B radio station countdowns precisely because there's always something I've never heard before. In August, I featured the week's top
    50 from New York's WWRL in 1969. That particular chart contained 14
    songs with which I was unfamiliar! Here's the link to that show:

    https://www.mixcloud.com/dean-fiora/top-50-soul-hits-wwrl-new-york-8281969/

    Thanks, I will listen to it. Been busy watching the baseball playoffs so
    I haven't listened to any shows live lately.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Dean on Mon Oct 21 15:49:32 2024
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 5:23:04 +0000, Dean wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 3:38:40 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    This is basically a pre-Beatles oldies show. Mostly well known records
    from the mid-50s through like 1963. Nothing wrong with that, and I would
    have really liked it like 50 years ago when I was first discovering
    these kinds of things. But nowadays I want to hear good records that I
    either don't know yet, or are not real familiar with.

    I thought it went without saying, but hardcore knowledgeable collectors
    like you are NOT my my target audience.

    I see. So the title of the show is looking to take advantage of the
    false narrative started by white rock critics in the 60s. The one that
    says that that rock and roll started in the mid-50s with Bill Haley,
    Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino and Elvis.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 21 22:02:40 2024
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 6:37:00 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 5:23:04 +0000, Dean wrote:

    I do those R&B radio station countdowns precisely because there's always
    something I've never heard before. In August, I featured the week's top
    50 from New York's WWRL in 1969. That particular chart contained 14
    songs with which I was unfamiliar! Here's the link to that show:

    https://www.mixcloud.com/dean-fiora/top-50-soul-hits-wwrl-new-york-8281969/

    Thanks, I will listen to it. Been busy watching the baseball playoffs so
    I haven't listened to any shows live lately.

    "Sugar On Sunday" by the Clique was NOT a Tommy James production. Tommy
    wrote and recorded the song first, on the "Crimson And Clover" album,
    but he had nothing to do with the Clique version. When Tommy decided not
    to issue the song as a single the Clique covered the song and put theirs
    out as a single and it became a hit. It was produced by Gary Zekley for
    Gulf Pacific Industries.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 21 23:06:14 2024
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 6:37:00 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 5:23:04 +0000, Dean wrote:

    I do those R&B radio station countdowns precisely because there's always
    something I've never heard before. In August, I featured the week's top
    50 from New York's WWRL in 1969. That particular chart contained 14
    songs with which I was unfamiliar! Here's the link to that show:

    https://www.mixcloud.com/dean-fiora/top-50-soul-hits-wwrl-new-york-8281969/

    Thanks, I will listen to it.

    That Cortez and the Entertainers is very good. Never heard of it before.
    It's big with the Low Riders in Southern Cali.

    Did not like the Johnnie & Joe thing at all. Can't believe they were
    still making records in 1969.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Bruce on Mon Oct 21 22:34:37 2024
    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 22:02:40 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 6:37:00 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 5:23:04 +0000, Dean wrote:

    I do those R&B radio station countdowns precisely because there's always >>> something I've never heard before. In August, I featured the week's top
    50 from New York's WWRL in 1969. That particular chart contained 14
    songs with which I was unfamiliar! Here's the link to that show:

    https://www.mixcloud.com/dean-fiora/top-50-soul-hits-wwrl-new-york-8281969/

    I'm not so sure that Abaco Dream was actually Sly & The Family Stone.

    Abaco Dream was an American rock group from New York City, United
    States.

    The members were Paul Douglas, David Williams, Dennis Williams, Frank
    Malo, and Mike Sassano. Their 1969 release, the Sly Stone-written "Life
    and Death in G & A", peaked at number 74 on the Billboard Hot 100 and at
    number 58 on the Cashbox Top 100 (A&M 1081). Another single from the
    group, "Another Night of Love/Chocolate Pudding", did not chart when
    released in 1970.

    The constant with all four Abaco Dream tracks was the producer Ted
    Cooper, who was a music executive at Double M Productions at the
    time,[4][5] and had previously worked at Epic Records, Sly Stone's
    record label. Cooper died in 1975.

    Some musicologists, such as Joel Whitburn, believe that "Life and Death
    in G & A" is actually a performance by Sly and the Family Stone. They
    note the similarity in performance of this song to other Family Stone
    songs and the dissimilarity between this song and other Abaco Dream
    releases. The song also appears on the CD compilation Listen To The
    Voices: Sly Stone In The Studio 1965-1970, issued by Ace Records. The
    vocals are attributed to Joe Hicks who, in 1970, performed a cover
    version for Stone's Stone Flower label.

    Here is another song by Abaco Dream. Judge for yourself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2_jCMYerI

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 23:56:46 2024
    I like the Little Jimmy Gandy.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 00:38:50 2024
    Dean, good show overall. I did notice a few slipups. When you played #49
    you said it was #39, and one time you said the list was from 1968 rather
    than 1969.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Dean on Tue Oct 22 14:03:13 2024
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 8:33:55 +0000, Dean wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:49:32 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    I see. So the title of the show is looking to take advantage of the
    false narrative started by white rock critics in the 60s. The one that
    says that that rock and roll started in the mid-50s with Bill Haley,
    Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino and Elvis.

    If you can suggest a better title for the show, I'm listening.

    Mean Dean's Record Machine

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to DianeE on Tue Oct 22 16:35:55 2024
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 16:28:41 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    I don't agree with Bruce on this point. I enjoy "Roots Rock Radio"
    precisely *because* almost all the songs are familiar to me. I can
    relax and enjoy the sounds of my childhood without having to pay rapt attention.

    You can make your own playlist and do the same thing at any time of any
    day.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 12:28:41 2024
    I don't agree with Bruce on this point. I enjoy "Roots Rock Radio"
    precisely *because* almost all the songs are familiar to me. I can
    relax and enjoy the sounds of my childhood without having to pay rapt attention. I never could listen to those collectors' shows that were
    popular on college radio stations for years. Yak, yak, yak in between
    every record.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Bruce on Wed Oct 23 07:49:30 2024
    On 10/22/2024 12:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 16:28:41 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    I don't agree with Bruce on this point.  I enjoy "Roots Rock Radio"
    precisely *because* almost all the songs are familiar to me.  I can
    relax and enjoy the sounds of my childhood without having to pay rapt
    attention.

    You can make your own playlist and do the same thing at any time of any
    day.
    -----------
    I do that all the time, but it's a different experience when you have no
    idea what's on the dj's playlist and every song is a pleasant or
    unpleasant surprise.

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