• FAVE 20 FEMMES FROM....1961

    From Roger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 06:23:16 2025
    TODAY : 20 FAVORITE FEMME RECORDS OF....1961

    1. POOR FOOL – IKE & TINA TURNER
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Seeo_QUVDd4

    Tina in top form here on a splendid sequel to Ike & Tina’s previous
    classic in
    the same vein---“A Fool In Love”. As with the earlier hit The Ikettes
    back her
    up wonderfully and the whole shebang adds up to another spectacular
    success for the dynamite duo. Another big hit for Sue Records this
    reached #38 BBpop and #2 BBr&b. ‘Twas 1964 before we in UK saw a 45
    release (again on Sue) but there was
    no chart action

    2. I KNOW (YOU DON’T LOVE ME NO MORE) – BARBARA GEORGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DAmX4SwD_M

    1961 was really the year I got severely hooked on American r&b music big
    time and it’s thanks to records like this that I played to death back
    then. Another classic here from the Sue outfit who distributed the AFO
    (“all for one”) label. Barbara scored a #3 BBpop and #1 BBr&b hit with
    this one. Released UK on London but did not chart

    3. I’M A LITTLE MIXED UP – BETTY JAMES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpoq5YwFW4I

    Originally on the Cee-Jay label (yes that’s CEE-Jay in NYC not Vee Jay
    in Chicago) who came up with the splendid bluesy Betty James classic
    that was promptly snapped up for national distribution by Chess. Sadly
    the hoped for hit never materialised but a classic r&b record was born nonetheless. Did not chart USA and not issued UK

    4. PLEASE MR. POSTMAN - THE MARVELETTES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l5I3u0tShE

    Here’s another one I played to death---it was the record that gave the
    up and coming Motown label it’s first honest-to-God #1 record on both BB charts and importantly signalled the birth of an r&b girl group that
    were not just a flash in the pan but one that would carry on putting out regular hits right the way thru the 1960’s.Released on Tamla in US and
    on Fontana (with their name spelt wrong) in UK (did not chart)

    5. CRAZY – PATSY CLINE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ__klJ7fC0

    Backed up by the ever-reliable Jordanaires Patsy Cline follows up her
    big “I Fall To Pieces” hit (see below) with a slow ballad from the pen
    of a new country artist/song writer just starting to make a name for himself---Willie Nelson---with a little ditty called “Crazy”. Hard to believe that Decca didn’t offer this to Brenda Lee first but whatever happened there Patsy went ahead and charted with her classic
    version---#9 BBpop #2 BBc&w. Did not chart in UK on Brunswick in 1961
    despite good airplay but reached #9 on NME chart in January 1991 on an
    MCA reissue

    6. HURT – TIMI YURO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpGXVIZXwVY

    Great version of the old 1954 r&b hit original by Roy Hamilton---a
    recording that like several of his numbers from those years I never
    warmed to very much. Timi brings a deep soul angle to the song that was
    missing to these ears in the earlier version. The song has been revived
    many times since most notably in the successful 1975 Manhattans version
    and in the less-than-stellar Elvis reading. Timi scored a #4 BBpop hit
    with this and #22BBr&b. On London in UK but failed to chart

    7. EVERY BEAT OF MY HEART – THE PIPS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfCtiJ8rDco

    The Pips first surfaced in 1958 with the forgettable “Ching Chong” but their second released effort was a whole different ball game. A decent
    enough revival of the old Royals (Midnighters) number—the Johnny Otis penned---“Every Beat Of My Heart” in 1961 for the tiny Huntom label in Atlanta Ga. that was swiftly picked up for national distribution by Vee
    Jay (in the face of a re-recording on Fury by the group released at the
    same time). Confused? You will be! Both charted but we’re going with the major hit (the Vee Jay release) which scored #6 BBpop #1 BBr&b..On Top
    Rank in UK but failed to chart

    8. LET THE FOUR WINDS BLOW – BRENDA LEE (UNRELEASED) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diZME05SMLQ

    Brenda’s splendid version of this classic song (originally released as “Four Winds” by Dave Bartholomew in 1955) before becoming a big hit for Fats Domino earlier in 1961. Brenda recorded her version for Decca on 29 October 1961 at Bradley Studio in Nashville with backup including Hank
    Garland (gtr) Grady Martin (gtr) Bob Moore (bass) Buddy Harman (dms)
    Floyd Cramer (pno) Boots Randolph (sax) Finally released on “Legends Of
    Rock Vol. 2” LP in 1974 on German Coral label

    9. I FALL TO PIECES – PATSY CLINE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG93JYMob9U

    Now here’s one that definitely WAS offered to Brenda Lee ahead of Patsy Cline.
    Brenda turned it down and the rest is history. Patsy recorded the song
    for Decca
    16 November 1960 again at Bradley Studio,Nashville with much of the same accompaniment listed for Brenda Lee above. The released record was a
    resounding
    hit reaching #12 BBpop and a big #1 on the BBc&w chart. On Brunswick in
    UK but no chart action

    10. SMILE – TIMI YURO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ON4AYYgEM

    For me NOBODY will ever supplant the great 1954 Nat “King” Cole version
    of this
    famous old song as my favorite tho Timi has a good try here. Written by
    Charlie
    Chaplin as the theme to his 1936 “Modern Times” film I make Petula Clark the first VOCAL performance of the song on record (ahead of Cole).
    But-Cole apart-I make the Timi version (her followup to “Hurt” above) my next favorite and very deserving of inclusion here. A #42 BB pop hit. On
    London in UK but did not chart

    11. SAVED – LaVERN BAKER
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKU2H3X3YY

    For her best seller and biggest hit of 1961 LaVern had to depend upon
    the always
    reliable Messrs Leiber & Stoller and their hot gospel pastiche “Saved”
    also with
    one Phil Spector somewhere in the backing here. Charting at #37 BB pop
    and #17
    BBr&b it appeared on London in UK without charting

    12. SEPTEMBER IN THE RAIN – DINAH WASHINGTON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HecAYoiYspc

    Another of my favorite old standards originally by Shep Fields & His
    Orchestra in 1937 and a perfect vehicle to carry Dinah back high into
    the charts. Sadly in practice it didn’t quite work as well as that but
    it did reward her with a #23BBpop hit and a #5BBr&b. On Mercury in both
    US and UK it got to #28 on our chart

    13. YOU DID ME WRONG – WILLIE MAE “BIG MAMA” THORNTON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsRARVeaA8

    BIG (MAMA) THORNTON -
    ***You Did Me Wrong - BAY-TONE 107
    Willie Mae Thornton returns to the world of recording with this shouting reading ofa standard blues effort. It sounds like it was recorded many
    years ago.Her vitality could get it spins (“Billboard” 15 May 1961)

    You wouldn’t expect this one to get issued in UK and you’d be right

    14. FUNNY – MAXINE BROWN
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUTJLbKtOK4

    Here’s the super songstress from South Carolina with the followup to her first hit “All In My Mind” in 1960. Recording for the Nomar label in NYC “Funny” will return Maxine to the charts with a #25BBpop and #3 BBr&b.
    Not issued UK

    15. HOW YOU’VE CHANGED – TINY TOPSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKrluCPOBrk

    The last single of any consequence from Topsy---now signed to Chess’
    Argo
    subsidiary. The curious thing about this one is that on the UK Pye-International
    issue of it the title is changed to “After Marriage Blues” but otherwise
    it is
    EXACTLY the same song and recording. Didn’t chart in either version

    16. MAMA SAID – THE SHIRELLES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woECt-vROBc

    Here’s the most popular girl group of this period back with their then current
    single “Mama Said” on Scepter label all set to follow the recently re-issued “Dedicated To The One I Love” high into the charts which it
    duly does bagging
    a #4 place on the BBpop chart and an impressive #2 on the BBr&b chart.
    Issued
    UK on Top Rank but failed to chart

    17. WHAT A SWEET THING THAT WAS – THE SHIRELLES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF-QTwqkVKU

    For some reason this is The Shirelles single that seems to be “lost” in most people’s lists of their favorite Shirelles numbers---exactly why
    I’ve no idea. I’ve always liked it and yes….whilst its not their very best it is far from being their very worst either. As usual on Scepter
    label and a #54 BBpop hit. On Top Rank in UK but non-charting

    18. FOOL THAT I AM – ETTA JAMES
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qSXS0uX0fw

    Beautiful soul drenched ballad oldie first recorded by Floyd Hunt’s
    Quartette in
    1946 (Gladys Palmer vocal) and by a succession of famous femmes since
    including
    Dinah Washington and LaVern Baker and featured in 1961 on Etta’s “The Second
    Time Around” album on Argo. Pulled as a single it peaked at #50 BBpop
    and #14
    BBr&b. Released UK on Pye International but non-charting

    19. THERE’S NO OTHER (LIKE MY BABY) – THE CRYSTALS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwFTfzxH5U

    Slow hypnotic ballad with Barbara Alston lead. The first release on the
    Philles
    label and the record that kicks off the whole Phil Spector “Wall Of
    Sound” thing.They will score much bigger hits later but right now it’s a respectable #20 place for this one BBpop and a healthier #5 BBr&b.
    Curiously released on Parlophone here in UK (non-charting). The only
    Philles record to appear this way. All others were on London label

    20. BABY IT’S YOU – THE SHIRELLES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgALz8z1pM

    Coming right at the very end of 1961 The Shirelles re-appear with one of
    their
    most memorable numbers for Scepter (and one that finds its way into the
    stage repertoire of some up and coming group over here in Liverpool
    England) . Charted at #8 BBpop and #3 BBr&b.On Top Rank in UK but never
    charted

    BUBBLING UNDER

    21. I’M BLUE (THE GONG-GONG SONG) – THE IKETTES
    22. DUM DUM – BRENDA LEE
    23. PLEASE DON’T GO – THE TONETTES
    24. TRUST IN ME – ETTA JAMES
    25. OPERATION HEARTBREAK – ARETHA FRANKLIN

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Feb 22 17:46:39 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 6:23:16 +0000, Roger wrote:

    TODAY : 20 FAVORITE FEMME RECORDS OF....1961

    We part company on Cline and Yuro. I don't see what the fuss is on the 2
    Cline hits.

    8. LET THE FOUR WINDS BLOW – BRENDA LEE (UNRELEASED) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diZME05SMLQ

    Good version that should have at least been an album cut back then.

    13. YOU DID ME WRONG – WILLIE MAE “BIG MAMA” THORNTON https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsRARVeaA8

    I have a really shitty sounding copy of this on MP3, so this listing
    reminded me to find a better one, and I did.

    23. PLEASE DON’T GO – THE TONETTES

    I cringed when I saw this listing. I thought it was gonna be that shitty
    white vocal group that sang with Castro on "Bong Bong" and made some
    records of their own too. One of the members used to come into Relic and
    acted as if she was some kind of big deal being part of that group. I
    was pleasantly surprised when I listened to it and saw that it was a
    black group on Volt. I'm keeping an MP3.

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 17:58:59 2025
    Let's see what I have for 1961.

    18 ¦ Poor Fool ¦ Ike & Tina Turner
    75 ¦ Dum Dum ¦ Brenda Lee
    84 ¦ Kansas City ¦ Brenda Lee
    96 ¦ I Know ¦ Barbara George
    98 ¦ There's No Other ¦ Crystals
    107 ¦ Break It To Me Gently ¦ Brenda Lee
    111 ¦ I'm Blue (The Gong-Gong Song) ¦ Ikettes
    114 ¦ Looking For A Man ¦ Mable John
    145 ¦ Norman ¦ Sue Thompson
    155 ¦ I'm A Little Mixed Up ¦ Betty James
    166 ¦ I'm Jealous ¦ Ike & Tina Turner
    185 ¦ Please Mr. Postman ¦ Marvelettes
    194 ¦ Let It Be ¦ Bette Watts
    199 ¦ Baby It's You ¦ Shirelles
    200 ¦ September In The Rain ¦ Dinah Washington
    218 ¦ Man We Had A Party ¦ Wanda Jackson
    225 ¦ Green Sally, Up ¦ Jessie Pratcher, Mattie Gardner & Mary Gardner

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 15:33:04 2025
    Good grief, where is "What's A Matter Baby?"

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Feb 22 20:41:48 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:33:04 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Good grief, where is "What's A Matter Baby?

    In 1962 where else?

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Feb 22 15:59:06 2025
    On 2/22/2025 3:41 PM, Roger wrote:
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:33:04 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    Good grief, where is "What's A Matter Baby?

    In 1962 where else?
    ---------
    I did look it up before posting, just so you know, and it said 1961.

    Okay, I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. I'd love to participate in
    these threads but I can't seem to get correct info.

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  • From DianeE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 15:56:35 2025
    How about "Gee Whiz" by Carla Thomas?

    Also I really like "Fool #1" by Brenda Lee.

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to Bruce on Sat Feb 22 21:27:03 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:58:59 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    Let's see what I have for 1961.

    18 ¦ Poor Fool ¦ Ike & Tina Turner
    #14 on my 1961 faves list and rated 9
    75 ¦ Dum Dum ¦ Brenda Lee
    #198 - 7
    84 ¦ Kansas City ¦ Brenda Lee
    #243 -7
    96 ¦ I Know ¦ Barbara George
    #20 - 9
    98 ¦ There's No Other ¦ Crystals
    #189 - 7
    107 ¦ Break It To Me Gently ¦ Brenda Lee
    #249 - 7
    111 ¦ I'm Blue (The Gong-Gong Song) ¦ Ikettes
    #193 - 7
    114 ¦ Looking For A Man ¦ Mable John
    A 6 on my list
    145 ¦ Norman ¦ Sue Thompson
    You gotta be kidding me!!
    155 ¦ I'm A Little Mixed Up ¦ Betty James
    #22 - 9
    166 ¦ I'm Jealous ¦ Ike & Tina Turner
    #326 -7
    185 ¦ Please Mr. Postman ¦ Marvelettes
    #66 - 8
    194 ¦ Let It Be ¦ Bette Watts
    Did not know this but it shows as 1960 here
    199 ¦ Baby It's You ¦ Shirelles
    #191 - 7
    200 ¦ September In The Rain ¦ Dinah Washington
    #126 - 8
    218 ¦ Man We Had A Party ¦ Wanda Jackson
    a 6 here
    225 ¦ Green Sally, Up ¦ Jessie Pratcher, Mattie Gardner & Mary Gardner
    Not listed

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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to DianeE on Sat Feb 22 21:31:30 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:56:35 +0000, DianeE wrote:

    How about "Gee Whiz" by Carla Thomas?

    It's 1960

    Also I really like "Fool #1" by Brenda Lee.

    #247 on my list and a 7

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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Feb 22 22:15:37 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 21:27:03 +0000, Roger wrote:

    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:58:59 +0000, Bruce wrote:

    194 ¦ Let It Be ¦ Bette Watts
    Did not know this but it shows as 1960 here

    Discogs does not have a year on the Wand release, and no mention of it
    in 1959, 1960 or 1961 in Cash Box. Not sure where I got the year from.
    The price guide shows it on Elgin and says 1959.

    https://www.45cat.com/record/10301031&rc=1419859&ap=y

    Then I see it on Wand and that says 1960.

    https://www.45cat.com/record/nc283159us

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  • From RWC@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 22 21:55:38 2025
    On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 06:23:16 +0000, mariabus@blueyonder.co.uk (Roger)
    wrote:

    TODAY : 20 FAVORITE FEMME RECORDS OF....1961

    Geoff's fave Femme records of 1961 not listed by Roger or Bruce:

    YT Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch_videos?video_ids=sEhpg__0HDk,E1og03W0VbQ,6hFji12BIK0,lh_qMHjO084,mgP_pfzN9FM,B9X9xHG6p64,4EmlfAq77m0,Tn0_31PjZx8,02kg5RrwJ-4,fFVBh8CHXZs,5u5g2SeF-iA,gPgG8DqHCjk,A6elcOrIGK0,rt7PPidlIvg,

    01. Arlene Martell - Little Ship [Cub K9098]

    02. Bernadette and her Swingin' Bears - Crazy Yogi
    [Gold Coast GC 6134]

    03. The Charmers - Little Fool [JAF 2021]

    04. Edith Piaf - No Regrets [Capitol 4564]

    05. Gladys Knight And The Pips - Every Beat Of My Heart [Fury 1050]

    06. Janie Grant - Triangle [Caprice 104]

    07. Judy Layne - Hard Headed Woman [Wren W-112;;NJ]

    08. Kitty Ford - Don't Play No. 9 [Smash S-1713]

    09. Lena Calhoun & The Emotions - Been Lookin' Your Way [Flip 358]

    10. Linda Hall w. Dave Kennedy and The Ambassadors - Treat Me Nice
    [Cuca J. 1044]

    11. The Delicates - Little Ship [Roulette R-4321]

    12. The Paris Sisters - I Love How You Love Me [Gregmark 6]

    13. The Sensations - Let Me In [Argo 5405]

    14. Wanda Jackson - Funnel Of Love [Capitol 4553]

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    Here are the merged 1961 Femme Faves of Roger and Bruce by artist;
    ** indicates chosen by both Roger and Bruce:

    Aretha Franklin - Operation Heartbreak
    Barbara George - I Know (You Don't Love Me No More) **
    Bette Watts - Let It Be
    Betty James - I'm A Little Mixed Up **
    Brenda Lee (Unreleased) - Let The Four Winds Blow
    Brenda Lee - Break It To Me Gently
    Brenda Lee - Dum Dum **
    Brenda Lee - Kansas City
    Crystals - There's No Other (Like My Baby) **
    Dinah Washington - September In The Rain **
    Etta James - Fool That I Am
    Etta James - Trust In Me
    Ike & Tina Turner - I'm Jealous
    Ike & Tina Turner - Poor Fool **
    Ikettes - I'm Blue (The Gong-Gong Song) **
    Jessie Pratcher, Mattie Gardner & Mary Gardner - Green Sally, Up
    Lavern Baker - Saved
    Mable John - Looking For A Man
    Marvelettes - Please Mr. Postman **
    Maxine Brown - Funny
    Patsy Cline - Crazy
    Patsy Cline - I Fall To Pieces
    Pips - Every Beat Of My Heart
    Shirelles - Baby It's You **
    Shirelles - Mama Said
    Shirelles - What A Sweet Thing That Was
    Sue Thompson - Norman
    Timi Yuro - Hurt
    Timi Yuro - Smile
    Tiny Topsy - How You've Changed
    Tonettes - Please Don't Go
    Wanda Jackson - Man We Had A Party
    Willie Mae "big Mama" Thornton - You Did Me Wrong

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