On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:51:57 AM UTC-7, abras...@gmail.com wrote:

by Anthony Tommasini

"...the president’s smug invocation of the Western symphonic heritage also pressed a sore spot for me as a music critic. Nothing impedes the appreciation of classical music — and keeps potential listeners away — more than the perception that it

is an elitist art form, that composers throughout history, and their aficionados today, uniformly consider it the greatest, loftiest and most ingenious kind of music. Few classical music fans, in my experience, argue that the Western symphonic repertory
stands apart from or atop music of other cultures, or other types of Western music..."

http://tinyurl.com/y9mjdnre

(Y. upload):

"The Beatles - A level Revolver Analysis Part 1: The Genius of Eleanor Rigby"

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On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:27:19 PM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote:

On 8/1/2017 4:30 PM, O wrote:

In article <ad42f02d-b70c-460d...@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have never been a huge fan of Sgt Pepper's and all of those George Martin
orchestrated Beatles songs. I suspect he had a hand in arranging (thinking of
intros and endings for instance) to a lot of Beatles songs, too. However my
feeling is he overstepped at some point and turned the Beatles into a band
that spent too much time getting on each other's nerves in the studio. At the
end they wanted to go back to performing, or at least writing songs that >> could be performed by four or five musicians.

Songs like 'Help', 'I Want to Hold Your Hand' are really terrific in their
economy and urgency.

From their early years, almost all on "Rubber Soul", and I certainly
wore out the grooves on my "Abbey Road" album.

-Owen

Would be (somewhat) interested in knowing if Herman's take
has any validity. While a fan, I'm no Beatles historian. I
seem to remember they specifically tired of performing live,
or at least of touring, and chose the studio. I don't think
there was ever a Beatles song written that couldn't be
performed without studio musicians accompanying. Where did
that "5" come from? I wonder if he blames Yoko for the breakup?

The Beatles tired of performing live because of all the screaming fans AND because sound systems were really not sufficiently powerful for large venues in the years the Beatles toured.
Those huge PA systems postdate the Beatles, with a guy sitting at a console in the back of the audience.
From the White Album onwards one can see a move back towards music that can be performed live, with the aid of a fifth guy playing keyboards. I don't know which it is, Abbey Road or Let It Be was rehearsed in the studio in order to be performed and
recorded live.

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On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:27:19 PM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote:

On 8/1/2017 4:30 PM, O wrote:

In article <ad42f02d-b70c-460d...@googlegroups.com>,
Herman <her...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have never been a huge fan of Sgt Pepper's and all of those George Martin
orchestrated Beatles songs. I suspect he had a hand in arranging (thinking of
intros and endings for instance) to a lot of Beatles songs, too. However my
feeling is he overstepped at some point and turned the Beatles into a band >> that spent too much time getting on each other's nerves in the studio. At the
end they wanted to go back to performing, or at least writing songs that >> could be performed by four or five musicians.

Songs like 'Help', 'I Want to Hold Your Hand' are really terrific in their >> economy and urgency.

From their early years, almost all on "Rubber Soul", and I certainly
wore out the grooves on my "Abbey Road" album.

-Owen

I wonder if he blames Yoko for the breakup?

Looking at the documentary footage it's sad to see that Yoko and John were clearly hooked on heroine at the time.

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Is it necessary for music to be "profound" to be meaningful? How about just "beautiful"?

But I'm guessing that "profound" in the case of the Beatles refers to the lyrics, which are often special and way ahead of the lyrics of many classical song cycles or vocal works. That's fair enough. Same with Bob Dylan, Donald Fagen, Randy Newman, Joni
Mitchell and others.

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On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 00:29:27 UTC+11, Herman wrote:

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:27:19 PM UTC+2, Frank Berger wrote:

On 8/1/2017 4:30 PM, O wrote:

In article <ad42f02d-b70c-460d...googlegroups.com>,
Herman <her...yahoo.com> wrote:

I have never been a huge fan of Sgt Pepper's and all of those George Martin
orchestrated Beatles songs. I suspect he had a hand in arranging (thinking of
intros and endings for instance) to a lot of Beatles songs, too. However my
feeling is he overstepped at some point and turned the Beatles into a band
that spent too much time getting on each other's nerves in the studio. At the
end they wanted to go back to performing, or at least writing songs that
could be performed by four or five musicians.

Songs like 'Help', 'I Want to Hold Your Hand' are really terrific in their
economy and urgency.

From their early years, almost all on "Rubber Soul", and I certainly wore out the grooves on my "Abbey Road" album.

-Owen

Would be (somewhat) interested in knowing if Herman's take
has any validity. While a fan, I'm no Beatles historian. I
seem to remember they specifically tired of performing live,
or at least of touring, and chose the studio. I don't think
there was ever a Beatles song written that couldn't be
performed without studio musicians accompanying. Where did
that "5" come from? I wonder if he blames Yoko for the breakup?

The Beatles tired of performing live because of all the screaming fans AND because sound systems were really not sufficiently powerful for large venues in the years the Beatles toured.
Those huge PA systems postdate the Beatles, with a guy sitting at a console in the back of the audience.
From the White Album onwards one can see a move back towards music that can be performed live, with the aid of a fifth guy playing keyboards. I don't know which it is, Abbey Road or Let It Be was rehearsed in the studio in order to be performed and

recorded live.

The Beatles were a band that was never meant to be a stadium arena type rock band. Essentially their lyrics were their prime claim to fame, aided by a glorious talent for a tune.

Ray Hall, Taree

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