The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:Go
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment >>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality >>> per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India
(Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the >>> US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
On 8/18/23 10:23 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:Go
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment >>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality >>> per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India
(Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the >>> US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!Yes, much like the Roman Empire in Europe and the Mediterranean and the Spanish in the New World.
It seems like it was a sort of historical mode, where a more
technologically advanced polity, which usually meant that it was
stronger militarily, gained access to a region that was new to them, and exploit it--and its population--to the more advanced nation's advantage.
It seemed to be particularly strong and widespread in NW Europe, most recently, and indicated a culture of conquest, settlement, and
exploitation. Contrast this with the west Asiatic incursions into Europe
in the first millenium, where they were pretty much conquest only, no settlement or organized exploitation.
In the present it's being done virtually, taking a longer timeframe, and utilizing persuasion to comply rather than direct force. But it amounts
to the same: domination and exploitation.
Human societies are interesting.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that theis this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
Go
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
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On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
Go
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 18:23:38 UTC+1, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that theis this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
Go
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!what about the Mughals? they looted India dry way before us and you loved it
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
Go
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:Go
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment >>>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality >>>> per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India
(Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the >>>> US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 18:41:14 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 10:23 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote:did they not take any taxes?
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:Yes, much like the Roman Empire in Europe and the Mediterranean and the
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:Go
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment >>>>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality >>>>> per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India
(Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the >>>>> US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
Spanish in the New World.
It seems like it was a sort of historical mode, where a more
technologically advanced polity, which usually meant that it was
stronger militarily, gained access to a region that was new to them, and
exploit it--and its population--to the more advanced nation's advantage.
It seemed to be particularly strong and widespread in NW Europe, most
recently, and indicated a culture of conquest, settlement, and
exploitation. Contrast this with the west Asiatic incursions into Europe
in the first millenium, where they were pretty much conquest only, no
settlement or organized exploitation.
In the present it's being done virtually, taking a longer timeframe, and
utilizing persuasion to comply rather than direct force. But it amounts
to the same: domination and exploitation.
Human societies are interesting.
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 19:22:55 UTC+1, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:yes we taught them all about Karl Marx and guppy's ancestors turned that into Indian-style communism which he absolutely loves and follows to this very day, he even now works for the Democrat Party!
True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:Go
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment >>>>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality >>>>> per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India
(Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the >>>>> US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:Before or after the fact? I sure as hell wouldn't want the Japanese moving in, but the British are another story.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to
True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment >>>>>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality >>>>>> per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the >>>>>> US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the
west's scale of desirables.
I'm saying the Indians would probably have liked it better to have been
left alone. What do you think, b?
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:Go
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is
literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage
treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be
mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India
(Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find
that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
people of colour!!
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to
be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the
west's scale of desirables.
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:Go
On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the west's scale of desirables.
I'm saying the Indians would probably have liked it better to have been
left alone. What do you think, b?
On 18.8.2023 22.07, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is >>>>>> literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage
treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be
mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find
that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
people of colour!!
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the west's scale of desirables.If the coffers are looted empty, not much development is going to happen.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms?from=mdr
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
On 18.8.2023 22.07, Sawfish wrote:The Brits were undoubtedly pretty self-interested in India. Quite nasty at times. But India did get some help getting modernized from the Brits.
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:If the coffers are looted empty, not much development is going to happen.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to >>> be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the
GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for >>>>>> people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is >>>>>>>> literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage
treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be
mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find
that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! >>>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
west's scale of desirables.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms?from=mdr
On 8/18/23 12:49 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:It's useful to think of the late 19th C Brits as Nazis with a sense of humor.
On 18.8.2023 22.07, Sawfish wrote:The Brits were undoubtedly pretty self-interested in India. Quite nasty at times. But India did get some help getting modernized from the Brits.
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:If the coffers are looted empty, not much development is going to happen. >>
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to >>> be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the >>> west's scale of desirables.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for >>>>>> people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists. >>>>>>>>
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is >>>>>>>> literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage >>>>>>> treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be >>>>>>> mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find >>>>>>> that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! >>>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms?from=mdr
On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:There's no real need to finesse this. If you some how could ask Indians before, what do you *think* they'd say, if you could ask during the Raj, what do you think they'd say, and if you asked them now, what do you
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:Before or after the fact? I sure as hell wouldn't want the Japanese moving in, but the British are another story.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to >> be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! >>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
west's scale of desirables.
I'm saying the Indians would probably have liked it better to have been >> left alone. What do you think, b?
think they'd say.
Look. I'll even go first, to demonstrate good faith:
Before - maybe (depending the local mogul) They'd respond positively to
a promise to be relieved from local oppression, then they'd find they
were getting screwed in whole new and wonderfully different ways.
during - no
after - no, except for some of the older bureaucrats.
I see no reason to bring the Japanese into this, at all, unless as a way
to redirect the question.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 12:49 PM, bmoore wrote:I don't think there was an iota of kindness on this planet until recently.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>> On 18.8.2023 22.07, Sawfish wrote:It's useful to think of the late 19th C Brits as Nazis with a sense of
The Brits were undoubtedly pretty self-interested in India. Quite nasty at times. But India did get some help getting modernized from the Brits.On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:If the coffers are looted empty, not much development is going to happen. >>>>
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to >>>>> be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the >>>>> west's scale of desirables.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for >>>>>>>> people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists. >>>>>>>>>>
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is >>>>>>>>>> literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage >>>>>>>>> treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be >>>>>>>>> mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find >>>>>>>>> that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! >>>>>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms?from=mdr
humor.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote:That's your opinion, what is the basis for it?
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:There's no real need to finesse this. If you some how could ask Indians
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:Before or after the fact? I sure as hell wouldn't want the Japanese moving in, but the British are another story.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to >>>> be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the >>>> west's scale of desirables.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! >>>>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
I'm saying the Indians would probably have liked it better to have been >>>> left alone. What do you think, b?
before, what do you *think* they'd say, if you could ask during the Raj,
what do you think they'd say, and if you asked them now, what do you
think they'd say.
Look. I'll even go first, to demonstrate good faith:
Before - maybe (depending the local mogul) They'd respond positively to
a promise to be relieved from local oppression, then they'd find they
were getting screwed in whole new and wonderfully different ways.
during - no
after - no, except for some of the older bureaucrats.
I see no reason to bring the Japanese into this, at all, unless as a wayIf you're gonna be colonized vs. no colonization, who would you prefer?
to redirect the question.
The Brits are a very special case of less then shitty overlords. Please parse my words with care.
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:>>>> On8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:>>>>> The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists.>>>>>
incestuous offspring and y could be mortality>>>> per 1000. Or IQ.>>>>>>>> :^)>>>>>>>> Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the>>>> US has more inWe should all condemn the extremist countries and their people.>>>>>>>>>> Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.>>>>>>>>>> You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse.>>>>>>
I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like.>>>>>>>> Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment>>>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.>>>>>>>> Or x could be frequency of
In comparison, Russia is strong. They always resisted, whether it's
the Poles, Swedes, French, Germans or now Americans.
On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:Raja and common sense.
On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote:That's your opinion, what is the basis for it?
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:There's no real need to finesse this. If you some how could ask Indians >> before, what do you *think* they'd say, if you could ask during the Raj, >> what do you think they'd say, and if you asked them now, what do you
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:Before or after the fact? I sure as hell wouldn't want the Japanese moving in, but the British are another story.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote:
GoOn 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!!
The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists. >>>>>>>>>
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse. >>>>>>>>>
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! >>>>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the >>>> west's scale of desirables.
I'm saying the Indians would probably have liked it better to have been >>>> left alone. What do you think, b?
think they'd say.
Look. I'll even go first, to demonstrate good faith:
Before - maybe (depending the local mogul) They'd respond positively to >> a promise to be relieved from local oppression, then they'd find they
were getting screwed in whole new and wonderfully different ways.
during - no
after - no, except for some of the older bureaucrats.
Not much more.
(Bet you never expected to see "Raja" and "common sense" in the same sentence, huh? Neither did I, and so I took advantage of this
inconceivably rare opportunity...)
Was that EVER a part of the question? Who would you prefer? If so, whyI see no reason to bring the Japanese into this, at all, unless as a way >> to redirect the question.If you're gonna be colonized vs. no colonization, who would you prefer?
limit it solely to the Japanese and Brits? There was much more of a
chance that it might have been the Portuguese than the Japanese. But why even bring in them?
The Brits are a very special case of less then shitty overlords. Please parse my words with care.Here's all of it right up to the misunderstanding...
~~~~~~~~
Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree?
It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to
be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the west's scale of desirables.
I'm saying the Indians would probably have liked it better to have been
left alone. What do you think, b?
Before or after the fact? I sure as hell wouldn't want the Japanese moving in, but the British are another story.
~~~~~~~~~~~
The easiest way to interpret this is a guy making himself a back door because he thought I'd try to trap him.
You've been keeping the wrong company, b. I won't do that to a decent person, and I don't even like it in self-defense--which is why I started using a killfile.
So if you'd answer the original question I'd be happy enough to proceed to the Japanese, or anyone else. But first things first.
On 8/18/23 1:14 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:I still don't see it. I see lots of mouths shaping the reassuring words,
On 8/18/23 12:49 PM, bmoore wrote:I don't think there was an iota of kindness on this planet until recently.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote:It's useful to think of the late 19th C Brits as Nazis with a sense of
On 18.8.2023 22.07, Sawfish wrote:The Brits were undoubtedly pretty self-interested in India. Quite nasty at times. But India did get some help getting modernized from the Brits.
On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:If the coffers are looted empty, not much development is going to happen.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the >>>>> west's scale of desirables.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree? >>>>> It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to
On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:Go
is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for >>>>>>>> people of colour!!The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png >>>>>>>>>>
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists. >>>>>>>>>>
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is >>>>>>>>>> literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse. >>>>>>>>>>
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage >>>>>>>>> treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be >>>>>>>>> mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India
(Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find >>>>>>>>> that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry!
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms?from=mdr
humor.
but not much else.
Just like watching an attractive young female newscaster on TV. All the correct facial expressions of pity and righteous concern...
I think there were always individual instances--still are--but so far as broad policy, nah...
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:30:05 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/18/23 1:14 PM, bmoore wrote:It used to be much worse. We had debtors' prisons!
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:but not much else.
On 8/18/23 12:49 PM, bmoore wrote:I don't think there was an iota of kindness on this planet until recently. >> I still don't see it. I see lots of mouths shaping the reassuring words,
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:30:06 PM UTC-7, Pelle Svanslös wrote: >>>>>> On 18.8.2023 22.07, Sawfish wrote:It's useful to think of the late 19th C Brits as Nazis with a sense of >>>> humor.
The Brits were undoubtedly pretty self-interested in India. Quite nasty at times. But India did get some help getting modernized from the Brits.On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote:If the coffers are looted empty, not much development is going to happen.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote:be left alone, even if it means a much lower standard of living on the >>>>>>> west's scale of desirables.
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 18 August 2023 at 15:05:25 UTC+1, Sawfish wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/23 4:31 AM, *skriptis wrote:
Gois this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for >>>>>>>>>> people of colour!!The newest Inglehart-Welzel cultural values map for 2023 is here. >>>>>>>>>>>>I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. >>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/images/Map2023NEW.png >>>>>>>>>>>>
Check who is the most moderate, and who are the extremists. >>>>>>>>>>>>
We should all condemn the extremist countries and their people. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Mind you, this is not politicians, governments and so on. This is >>>>>>>>>>>> literally what are the people like.
You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage >>>>>>>>>>> treatment
of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system.
Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be >>>>>>>>>>> mortality
per 1000. Or IQ.
:^)
Seriously, an interesting document. The outliers, like Chile, India >>>>>>>>>>> (Een-jah!), South Africa are interesting. I'm gratified to find >>>>>>>>>>> that the
US has more in common with Belgium than with Canada.
https://imgflip.com/i/7w62soOops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! >>>>>>>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree? >>>>>>> It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/independence-day-how-the-british-pulled-off-a-45-trillion-heist-in-india/articleshow/102746097.cms?from=mdr
Just like watching an attractive young female newscaster on TV. All the
correct facial expressions of pity and righteous concern...
I think there were always individual instances--still are--but so far as
broad policy, nah...
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>> On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: > >>>>>>> On Friday,
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>> On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: > >>>>>>> On
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:
chance that it might have been the Portuguese than the Japanese. But why > even bring in them?> > The Brits are a very special case of less then shitty overlords. Please parse my words with care.> Here's all of it right up to the misunderstanding... > >~~~~~~~~> Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! > > True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree? > > It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to > be left alone, even if
What a stupid thing to say.
Brits were brutal means what exactly?
That they should have conquered India more gently?
How do you conquer someone gently?
Do you see what kind of nonsense you post?
The only culprits for Brits conquering India were Indians. Indians were weak and they couldn't defend themselves so Brits got them.
Shame on them.
So we can either forget the past, or if you want to examine the past, discuss it and so on, the fact India lost to a handful of Brits who came on boats, means let's mock India for being weak?
There's no other course in such discussion.
Implying that Brits were "bad" or "evil" is childish. It's not a valid option.
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:12:20 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/19/23 8:51 AM, *skriptis wrote: > > bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r > >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoorewrote: > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>> On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>> On Friday,
treatment > >>>>>>>> of some sort, and y could be an encoded legal system. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Or x could be frequency of incestuous offspring and y could be mortality > >>>>>>>> per 1000. Or IQ. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> :^) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>You can hate them for their extremism feeling no remorse. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I wonder what a similar map of shithole countries would look like. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Along the x axis could be percentage of households with sewage
sentence, huh? Neither did I, and so I took advantage of this > inconceivably rare opportunity...)> > > >> I see no reason to bring the Japanese into this, at all, unless as a way > >> to redirect the question. > > If you're gonna be colonized vs. noduring - no > >> > >> after - no, except for some of the older bureaucrats. > > That's your opinion, what is the basis for it?> Raja and common sense. > > Not much more. > > (Bet you never expected to see "Raja" and "common sense" in the same >
easiest way to interpret this is a guy making himself a back door because he thought I'd try to trap him. > > You've been keeping the wrong company, b. I won't do that to a decent person, and I don't even like it in self-defense--which is why I startedI'm saying the Indians would probably have liked it better to have been > left alone. What do you think, b? > > Before or after the fact? I sure as hell wouldn't want the Japanese moving in, but the British are another story.> ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The
On 8/19/23 8:51 AM, *skriptis wrote:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>> On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: > >>>>>>> On
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:
chance that it might have been the Portuguese than the Japanese. But why > even bring in them?> > The Brits are a very special case of less then shitty overlords. Please parse my words with care.> Here's all of it right up to the misunderstanding... > >~~~~~~~~> Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! > > True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree? > > It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to > be left alone, even if
What a stupid thing to say.
Brits were brutal means what exactly?
That they should have conquered India more gently?
How do you conquer someone gently?
Do you see what kind of nonsense you post?
The only culprits for Brits conquering India were Indians. Indians were weak and they couldn't defend themselves so Brits got them.
Shame on them.
So we can either forget the past, or if you want to examine the past, discuss it and so on, the fact India lost to a handful of Brits who came on boats, means let's mock India for being weak?
There's no other course in such discussion.
Implying that Brits were "bad" or "evil" is childish. It's not a valid option.
I don't see value judgements, such as "good/bad" or "right/wrong"
entering into a discussion of what appears to me to be a part of the evolutionary process, do you, skript? Success or failure might be more appropriate.
This phenomenon of one group contesting with another group over
resources of any kind--territory, access to trade, manufactured or
natural wealth, etc.--has been around ever since two distinct groups
have overlapped when searching for resources. Basically it's what hunter-gathers do by instinct, and since being the winner in any such contest yields very quick positive results, it has evolved beyond hunter-gathers.
I kinda parallels the biological evolution of flesh-eating as providing
a bigger, richer dietary pay-out as compared to grazing.
So in that light the good/bad axis is subjective and is of pivotal importance only to the participants. For distant observers, I don't see
it as good/bad. It just *is*.
On 8/19/23 9:20 AM, bmoore wrote:12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>> On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: > >>>>>>> On
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:12:20 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/19/23 8:51 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at
chance that it might have been the Portuguese than the Japanese. But why > even bring in them?> > The Brits are a very special case of less then shitty overlords. Please parse my words with care.> Here's all of it right up to the misunderstanding... > >~~~~~~~~> Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! > > True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree? > > It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to > be left alone, even if
Yes, it is what it is.I don't see value judgements, such as "good/bad" or "right/wrong"
What a stupid thing to say.
Brits were brutal means what exactly?
That they should have conquered India more gently?
How do you conquer someone gently?
Do you see what kind of nonsense you post?
The only culprits for Brits conquering India were Indians. Indians were weak and they couldn't defend themselves so Brits got them.
Shame on them.
So we can either forget the past, or if you want to examine the past, discuss it and so on, the fact India lost to a handful of Brits who came on boats, means let's mock India for being weak?
There's no other course in such discussion.
Implying that Brits were "bad" or "evil" is childish. It's not a valid option.
entering into a discussion of what appears to me to be a part of the
evolutionary process, do you, skript? Success or failure might be more
appropriate.
This phenomenon of one group contesting with another group over
resources of any kind--territory, access to trade, manufactured or
natural wealth, etc.--has been around ever since two distinct groups
have overlapped when searching for resources. Basically it's what
hunter-gathers do by instinct, and since being the winner in any such
contest yields very quick positive results, it has evolved beyond
hunter-gathers.
I kinda parallels the biological evolution of flesh-eating as providing >> a bigger, richer dietary pay-out as compared to grazing.
So in that light the good/bad axis is subjective and is of pivotal
importance only to the participants. For distant observers, I don't see >> it as good/bad. It just *is*.
But Twistis is asserting, comically, that it's all about the strong conquering the weak.Well, it's evident that you two guys like fightin' each other...;^)
On 8/19/23 9:16 AM, bmoore wrote:12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>> On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: > >>>>>>> On
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 8:52:03 AM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at
chance that it might have been the Portuguese than the Japanese. But why > even bring in them?> > The Brits are a very special case of less then shitty overlords. Please parse my words with care.> Here's all of it right up to the misunderstanding... > >~~~~~~~~> Oops, White protestant UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! > > True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree? > > It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to > be left alone, even if
What a stupid thing to say.Twisting again.
Brits were brutal means what exactly?
That they should have conquered India more gently?
How do you conquer someone gently?
Do you see what kind of nonsense you post?
The only culprits for Brits conquering India were Indians. Indians were weak and they couldn't defend themselves so Brits got them.
Shame on them.
So we can either forget the past, or if you want to examine the past, discuss it and so on, the fact India lost to a handful of Brits who came on boats, means let's mock India for being weak?
There's no other course in such discussion.
Implying that Brits were "bad" or "evil" is childish. It's not a valid option.
Sawfish gave me crap for asserting that the Brits, though nasty, did stuff for the Indians.My intent wasn't to criticize *you*, but to assert my idea that so far
as I know, no culture has ever actually *liked* being superseded by another--EVEN IF OBJECTIVELY THEY GOT A LOT OF POSITIVE STUFF OUT OF IT.
That was all I ever meant.
Then I agreed that the Brits really were pretty nasty.You know that thing I said about the Brits being "Nazis with a sense of humor", that was the result of a lot of thought. There really is
*something* to it, in my view. E.g., each felt that their "race"
(thinking of it very granularly, like the English would consider the
Irish to be another "race") was the bee's knees, that they were
improving the world with their presence, and that any action in support
of their advancement was justified.
But the Brits are also really funny! I think Germans *can* be, in a sort
of grim way, but they're not in the same league with the Brits.
On 8/19/23 10:56 AM, bmoore wrote:at 12:07:32 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >>>> On 8/18/23 11:22 AM, bmoore wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:23:38 AM UTC-7, gap...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote: > >>>>>>>
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:49:02 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/19/23 9:20 AM, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:12:20 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 8/19/23 8:51 AM, *skriptis wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:> On 8/18/23 12:57 PM, bmoore wrote: > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote: > >> On 8/18/23 12:33 PM, bmoore wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023
UK was in Injia for 300 years, looting it dry! > >>>>> True, but they also improved things about India, do you disagree? > >>>> It's hard for me to see where any indigenous culture would not prefer to > >>>> be left alone, even if it means a much lowerUS has more in common with Belgium than with Canada. > >>>>>>> is this map related? cos what matters is offering a safe space for people of colour!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Go > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://imgflip.com/i/7w62so > >>>>>> Oops, White protestant
Not much more. > > (Bet you never expected to see "Raja" and "common sense" in the same > sentence, huh? Neither did I, and so I took advantage of this > inconceivably rare opportunity...)> > > >> I see no reason to bring the Japanese into this, atall, unless as a way > >> to redirect the question. > > If you're gonna be colonized vs. no colonization, who would you prefer?> Was that EVER a part of the question? Who would you prefer? If so, why > limit it solely to the Japanese and Brits? There was
To me, it doesn't matter *what* people are here, so long as they areNot really. But an unapologetic racist like that... wow. And thin-skinned to boot, maybe I do enjoy it.Well, it's evident that you two guys like fightin' each other...;^)Yes, it is what it is.I don't see value judgements, such as "good/bad" or "right/wrong"
What a stupid thing to say.
Brits were brutal means what exactly?
That they should have conquered India more gently?
How do you conquer someone gently?
Do you see what kind of nonsense you post?
The only culprits for Brits conquering India were Indians. Indians were weak and they couldn't defend themselves so Brits got them.
Shame on them.
So we can either forget the past, or if you want to examine the past, discuss it and so on, the fact India lost to a handful of Brits who came on boats, means let's mock India for being weak?
There's no other course in such discussion.
Implying that Brits were "bad" or "evil" is childish. It's not a valid option.
entering into a discussion of what appears to me to be a part of the >>>> evolutionary process, do you, skript? Success or failure might be more >>>> appropriate.
This phenomenon of one group contesting with another group over
resources of any kind--territory, access to trade, manufactured or
natural wealth, etc.--has been around ever since two distinct groups >>>> have overlapped when searching for resources. Basically it's what
hunter-gathers do by instinct, and since being the winner in any such >>>> contest yields very quick positive results, it has evolved beyond
hunter-gathers.
I kinda parallels the biological evolution of flesh-eating as providing >>>> a bigger, richer dietary pay-out as compared to grazing.
So in that light the good/bad axis is subjective and is of pivotal
importance only to the participants. For distant observers, I don't see >>>> it as good/bad. It just *is*.
But Twistis is asserting, comically, that it's all about the strong conquering the weak.
willing to relate to me with at least a superficial level of personal respect. Given that we can talk about *anything* at all.
Another concern that I'd have is the to impinge on my life in a
substantive, not conceptual, way; since this is all virtual on rst,
there seems like little-to-no possibility of any such substantive impingement, so that doesn't come into play.
I realize this sounds funny, but that's deeply the way I've been for a
very long time.
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