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  • Shelton on fire

    From gapp111@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 3 11:03:36 2023
    What a serve! If Fed had his serve would of won 10 W’s

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to gap...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 3 11:27:17 2023
    On 9/3/23 11:03 AM, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    What a serve! If Fed had his serve would of won 10 W’s

    Whew...

    I thought that Shelton was maybe the town where you live, gypes.

    Sorta saying farewell to RST, you know...

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  • From grif@21:1/5 to gap...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 3 20:13:33 2023
    On 03/09/2023 19:03, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    What a serve! If Fed had his serve would of won 10 W’s

    https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12954495/shelton-hits-tournament-record-149mph-serve-twice-in-one-minute-game
    🤨

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to grif on Mon Sep 4 06:50:38 2023
    grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 03/09/2023 19:03, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    What a serve! If Fed had his serve would of won 10 W’s

    https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12954495/shelton-hits-tournament-record-149mph-serve-twice-in-one-minute-game

    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Sep 4 06:53:46 2023
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!

    Here they are:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWDtKFq1HA

    br,
    KK

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to gap...@gmail.com on Mon Sep 4 02:09:14 2023
    On Sunday, 3 September 2023 at 19:03:38 UTC+1, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    What a serve! If Fed had his serve would of won 10 W’s

    how come Shelton didn't win Wimbledon?!

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Sep 4 20:06:41 2023
    On 4/09/2023 4:53 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!

    Here they are:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWDtKFq1HA

    br,
    KK


    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger.
    They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to
    initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Sep 4 20:03:09 2023
    On 4/09/2023 4:50 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 03/09/2023 19:03, gap...@gmail.com wrote:
    What a serve! If Fed had his serve would of won 10 W’s

    https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12954495/shelton-hits-tournament-record-149mph-serve-twice-in-one-minute-game

    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!

    br,
    KK


    Get a vpn, you can watch whatever you want.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=c3=b6s?=@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Sep 4 17:45:21 2023
    On 4.9.2023 13.06, Whisper wrote:
    On 4/09/2023 4:53 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!

    Here they are:

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWDtKFq1HA

    br,
    KK


    They don't look that fast.  Sampras and many others served much bigger.
    They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to
    initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.

    After the serve hits the court? No way. A 200 kmh serve is barely 100
    after it hits the ground. There could be some other differences with the
    guns and stuff, as if anybody cared.

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Mon Sep 4 07:47:23 2023
    On 9/4/23 7:32 AM, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger.
    They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to
    initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.
    Is there evidence for that claim? I'd like to have a link.

    Note that I am not necessarily disagreeing, I just need
    proof.

    br,
    KK

    Yes.

    There's an oft-utilized "fact" here in the US that a homeowner who owns
    a gun is more likely to be killed in a home invasion than an unarmed
    homeowner. This is supposed to be a rationale to discourage private gun ownership.

    So I'm still waiting to see the source of data, and the methodology.
    Maybe true, maybe not, but we need to know how top evaluate the claim.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to Whisper on Mon Sep 4 14:32:06 2023
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger.
    They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to
    initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.

    Is there evidence for that claim? I'd like to have a link.

    Note that I am not necessarily disagreeing, I just need
    proof.

    br,
    KK

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  • From grif@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 17:48:12 2023
    On 04/09/2023 15:45, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 4.9.2023 13.06, Whisper wrote:
    On 4/09/2023 4:53 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!

    Here they are:

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWDtKFq1HA

    br,
    KK


    They don't look that fast.  Sampras and many others served much bigger. They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.

    After the serve hits the court? No way. A 200 kmh serve is barely 100 after it hits the ground. There could be some other differences with the guns and stuff, as if anybody cared.


    Yeah, measuring after the bounce is bollocks from Whisp, lol.

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to grif on Mon Sep 4 13:59:36 2023
    grif <griffin_230@hotmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 04/09/2023 15:45, Pelle Svanslös wrote:> On 4.9.2023 13.06, Whisper wrote:>> On 4/09/2023 4:53 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:>>> Kalevi Kolttonen <kalevi@kolttonen.fi> wrote:>>>> "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from>>>> your current
    country or location". I am in Finland.>>>>>>>> Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.>>>>>>>> 149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!>>>>>> Here they are:>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWDtKFq1HA>>>>>> br,>>> KK>>>>>>
    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger. They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.> > After the serve hits the court? No way. A
    200 kmh serve is barely 100 after it hits the ground. There could be some other differences with the guns and stuff, as if anybody cared.> Yeah, measuring after the bounce is bollocks from Whisp, lol.

    I think he meant they measure the speed after the ball hits the back fence :)

    Whisper is a tool :)
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  • From Gracchus@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Mon Sep 4 12:04:54 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:59:40 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:

    Whisper is a tool :)

    And the sun is a star. What else is new?

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 4 13:01:04 2023
    On Monday, 4 September 2023 at 15:45:25 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 4.9.2023 13.06, Whisper wrote:
    On 4/09/2023 4:53 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kal...@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!

    Here they are:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWDtKFq1HA

    br,
    KK


    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger. They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.
    After the serve hits the court? No way. A 200 kmh serve is barely 100
    after it hits the ground. There could be some other differences with the guns and stuff, as if anybody cared.

    course you don't mind if it's as fake as the speed guns they used to use at Indian Wells(funny times), must remind you of all the fake weather data readings they take these days at airport runways etc, yes?

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  • From The Iceberg@21:1/5 to Gracchus on Mon Sep 4 13:06:19 2023
    On Monday, 4 September 2023 at 20:04:56 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 10:59:40 AM UTC-7, PeteWasLucky wrote:

    Whisper is a tool :)
    And the sun is a star. What else is new?

    HHAAH good response, this week been like the RST of good ole days! the Fedfans going wild at all Whisper's provings/postings, just need Raja and Patrick to jump in and yelp "I only respect Fed for his multi-dimensional groundstroke BUT HE'S THE TENNIS
    KING EVEN NOW!"

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  • From Sawfish@21:1/5 to The Iceberg on Mon Sep 4 13:28:01 2023
    On 9/4/23 1:01 PM, The Iceberg wrote:
    On Monday, 4 September 2023 at 15:45:25 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 4.9.2023 13.06, Whisper wrote:
    On 4/09/2023 4:53 pm, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen <kal...@kolttonen.fi> wrote:
    "The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from
    your current country or location". I am in Finland.

    Fuck... I would have liked to see those serves.

    149mph = 239,792kmh. That is absolutely fucking huge!
    Here they are:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxWDtKFq1HA

    br,
    KK

    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger.
    They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to
    initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.
    After the serve hits the court? No way. A 200 kmh serve is barely 100
    after it hits the ground. There could be some other differences with the
    guns and stuff, as if anybody cared.
    course you don't mind if it's as fake as the speed guns they used to use at Indian Wells(funny times), must remind you of all the fake weather data readings they take these days at airport runways etc, yes?

    The guns and probably the lines are likely inconsistent, mostly due to differences in model and how they are set-up. So comparisons between
    courts and tournaments are probably not as accurate as people would like
    to think. I'm going to have to read up on this.


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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to Whisper on Tue Sep 5 01:55:47 2023
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:06:51 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger.
    They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.

    Due technology limits speed guns back then measured it using the first 1,5m? of a serve travel for granting average speed (pre-1997). Today's speed guns which track speed straight after impact are about same as 2000/2001.
    a) 90ies tech obviously gives weaker results compare to today's
    b) is also affected even more significantly with serves on corners

    Estimated effect for a) 7-8mph (e.g. 130mph serve from 1995 is 137mph/138mph serve today).

    .mikko


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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Tue Sep 5 06:53:40 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:55:49 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:06:51 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger. They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.
    Due technology limits speed guns back then measured it using the first 1,5m? of a serve travel for granting average speed (pre-1997). Today's speed guns which track speed straight after impact are about same as 2000/2001.
    a) 90ies tech obviously gives weaker results compare to today's
    b) is also affected even more significantly with serves on corners

    Estimated effect for a) 7-8mph (e.g. 130mph serve from 1995 is 137mph/138mph serve today).

    .mikko

    You mean they didn't measure it after the bounce?

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  • From MBDunc@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Tue Sep 5 07:07:10 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:53:43 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:55:49 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:06:51 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger. They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.
    Due technology limits speed guns back then measured it using the first 1,5m? of a serve travel for granting average speed (pre-1997). Today's speed guns which track speed straight after impact are about same as 2000/2001.
    a) 90ies tech obviously gives weaker results compare to today's
    b) is also affected even more significantly with serves on corners

    Estimated effect for a) 7-8mph (e.g. 130mph serve from 1995 is 137mph/138mph serve today).

    .mikko
    You mean they didn't measure it after the bounce?

    Of course not.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/a2072/4221210/

    "The serve speeds you see on courtside digital displays are measured just as the ball leaves the racquet. Fortunately for returners, by the time the ball reaches them, air resistance and the friction of the court surface have diminished its speed by
    roughly 50 percent. Tennis instructor and analyst John Yandell has found that, on average, a 120-mph serve slows to 82 mph before the bounce, then to 65 mph after the bounce, and finally to 55 mph at the opponent's racket."

    .mikko

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  • From PeteWasLucky@21:1/5 to MBDunc on Tue Sep 5 07:43:30 2023
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:53:43 PM UTC+3, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 4:55:49 AM UTC-4, MBDunc wrote:
    On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 1:06:51 PM UTC+3, Whisper wrote:
    They don't look that fast. Sampras and many others served much bigger. They measure the serve speed differently these days, I think close to initial contact, whereas in Sampras' day it was after the bounce.
    Due technology limits speed guns back then measured it using the first 1,5m? of a serve travel for granting average speed (pre-1997). Today's speed guns which track speed straight after impact are about same as 2000/2001.
    a) 90ies tech obviously gives weaker results compare to today's
    b) is also affected even more significantly with serves on corners

    Estimated effect for a) 7-8mph (e.g. 130mph serve from 1995 is 137mph/138mph serve today).

    .mikko
    You mean they didn't measure it after the bounce?
    Of course not.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/a2072/4221210/

    "The serve speeds you see on courtside digital displays are measured just as the ball leaves the racquet. Fortunately for returners, by the time the ball reaches them, air resistance and the friction of the court surface have diminished its speed by
    roughly 50 percent. Tennis instructor and analyst John Yandell has found that, on average, a 120-mph serve slows to 82 mph before the bounce, then to 65 mph after the bounce, and finally to 55 mph at the opponent's racket."

    .mikko

    Sorry, I definitely knew this, but Whisper the tennis master was saying they measured Sampras' serve after the bounce :)

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