This was a hell of a match and I'm surprised that it's not much of a
topic today.

I think they both showed real toughness, but will probably find winning multiple majors--or maybe even one-- a tough road--but for different
reasons.

For Zverev, I think his engagement varies over the course of a long
match. It is as if he gets "unhungry" at times. So for portions of a
hard match, he's sorta flaccid at times.

I sensed no lack of consistent hunger in Sinner--and he was able to
"keep it up", so to speak--but what I did see consistently is an odd
flaw that is tough to characterize. He unnecessarily blows put-aways.

He did that quite a lot. He worked the point until he had a relatively
routine killshot, and then missed this killshot.

Normally  I'd say he rushed it, but this is not actually what I saw. I
*think* what I saw was a slight degree of rushing the shot, combined
with an attempt to hit it just a little bit too fine. It was not trying
to hit ridiculous shots in the manner of Sabelenka, he was just a little off--3% over-cooked, maybe?

Just enough to rob himself of points he should rightfully have owned,
and give them, gratis, to his opponent.

I think he is noticeably less robust than Zverev, but not decisively so,
and he attempts to get by on determination--which he does in an
admirable way.

I don't know what it'll take to get past this tendency to fail to close
out a point that he basically owns tactically, though.

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

This was a hell of a match and I'm surprised that it's not much of a topic today.I think they both showed real toughness, but will probably find winning multiple majors--or maybe even one-- a tough road--but for different reasons.For Zverev, I think

his engagement varies over the course of a long match. It is as if he gets "unhungry" at times. So for portions of a hard match, he's sorta flaccid at times.I sensed no lack of consistent hunger in Sinner--and he was able to "keep it up", so to speak--
but what I did see consistently is an odd flaw that is tough to characterize. He unnecessarily blows put-aways.He did that quite a lot. He worked the point until he had a relatively routine killshot, and then missed this killshot.Normally I'd say he
rushed it, but this is not actually what I saw. I *think* what I saw was a slight degree of rushing the shot, combined with an attempt to hit it just a little bit too fine. It was not trying to hit ridiculous shots in the manner of Sabelenka, he was just
a little off--3% over-cooked, maybe?Just enough to rob himself of points he should rightfully have owned, and give them, gratis, to his opponent.I think he is noticeably less robust than Zverev, but not decisively so, and he attempts to get by on
determination--which he does in an admirable way.I don't know what it'll take to get past this tendency to fail to close out a point that he basically owns tactically, though.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"
Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. But give a man a boat,a case of beer, and a few sticks of dynamite..." -- Sawfish




I haven't seen it but I'm suspicious of matches that go 5 sets and none of the sets end with 7:5 or 7:6.


Stuff like 64 36 62 46 63 is often simply a bashing contest with momentum shifts.




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On 6/09/2023 4:24 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 9/5/23 11:18 AM, *skriptis wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

This was a hell of a match and I'm surprised that it's not much of a
topic today.I think they both showed real toughness, but will

Stuff like 64 36 62 46 63 is often simply a bashing contest with
momentum shifts.

Yes. It was. Minimal drop shots. Some attempts to take the net. Minimal changes of pace/spin.

Still, it was a very tough, good match to watch. I'll use the cliche
here: it was like two very tough heavy-hitting heavyweights. It was like
this old-time match I saw on YouTube between Ernie Shavers and Ron Lyle.

So I really admired the way they hung in there. But their flaws showed.

Sinner was crying at the end, and for good reason. It's not that he
lost this particular match that he was fave on paper, just that he seems
to lose all of these matches that he should be starting to win and move
up to elite slam level champ. He needs to sack Cahill and see if he can
find a better fit. Gilbert would prob help him a lot.

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On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:43:03 AM UTC-4, Whisper wrote:

On 6/09/2023 4:24 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 9/5/23 11:18 AM, *skriptis wrote:

Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

This was a hell of a match and I'm surprised that it's not much of a
topic today.I think they both showed real toughness, but will

Stuff like 64 36 62 46 63 is often simply a bashing contest with
momentum shifts.

Yes. It was. Minimal drop shots. Some attempts to take the net. Minimal changes of pace/spin.

Still, it was a very tough, good match to watch. I'll use the cliche
here: it was like two very tough heavy-hitting heavyweights. It was like this old-time match I saw on YouTube between Ernie Shavers and Ron Lyle.

So I really admired the way they hung in there. But their flaws showed.

Sinner was crying at the end, and for good reason. It's not that he
lost this particular match that he was fave on paper, just that he seems
to lose all of these matches that he should be starting to win and move
up to elite slam level champ. He needs to sack Cahill and see if he can
find a better fit. Gilbert would prob help him a lot.

Agree, Cahill is just a no talent opportunist, BG would help a lot.

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