Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and Lennon
at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow - so glad I
got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis andGreat, Whisp!
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it
this long.
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and Lennon
at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow - so glad I
got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
Great, Whisp!
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it
this long.
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
Great, Whisp!
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it this long.
Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more
from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe? I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:32:32 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:The Morrison "legend" feels like labored mythologizing to me.
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis andGreat, Whisp!
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it
this long.
The Doors were doing something different all right. Great? Not IMO.
Then again, tastes vary. Our friend JD thinks the Beatles were some untalented Liverpudlian clods who blundered into fame.Hard to think that when listening to "Michelle". Great popular music.
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
Great, Whisp!
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it this long.
Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe? I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:instrumental skills very limited. Compared with someone like Roy Orbison, for example, Roy had a better voice, was a fantastic songwriter, and played decent guitar. But he didn't reach the same levels of fame because he was a rather ugly dude.
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:Your list is terrible. It's insane to give Elvis that status. He was more cultural phenomenon--good voice, distinctive style, great charisma. Most of his best work was before 1960, when he went all "Blue Hawaii." He never wrote a song and his
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more
Great, Whisp!
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it
this long.
from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm
guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe? I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
Then there's Dylan. He deserves legend status due to his 1960s-70s songwriting alone.
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and Lennon
at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow - so glad I
got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
On 10/25/23 8:31 AM, Gracchus wrote:
Then there's Dylan. He deserves legend status due to his 1960s-70s songwriting alone.
Tangled Up in Blue is s sort of great, beat era narrative, in my opinion.
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:55:41 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 8:31 AM, Gracchus wrote:Yes, a great song from a great album.
Then there's Dylan. He deserves legend status due to his 1960s-70s songwriting alone.Tangled Up in Blue is s sort of great, beat era narrative, in my opinion.
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
Great, Whisp!
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it this long.
Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe?
I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:Buddy Holly and Hendrix both, and don't anyone tell me otherwise :-)
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more
Great, Whisp!
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it
this long.
from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm
guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe?
I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
On 10/25/23 1:27 PM, bmoore wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:The use of Hendrix's Machine Gun as the tension builder background for
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:Buddy Holly and Hendrix both, and don't anyone tell me otherwise :-)
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more >> from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm
Great, Whisp!
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow - >>>> so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it >>> this long.
guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe?
the "goy's teeth" segment of the Coen's "A Serious Man".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cC1xFnMN08
Where it's at, man... ;^)
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The food at the new restaurant was awful--but at least the portionsI'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
were large!" --Sawfish
Then again, tastes vary. Our friend JD thinks the Beatles were some untalented Liverpudlian clods who blundered into fame.
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow -
so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
Great, Whisp!
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it
this long.
from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm
guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe?
Buddy Holly and Hendrix both, and don't anyone tell me otherwise :-)
I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
On 10/25/23 8:31 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more >>> from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm
Great, Whisp!
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow - >>>>> so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it >>>> this long.
guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe
throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe? I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a
huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
Your list is terrible. It's insane to give Elvis that status. He was
more cultural phenomenon--good voice, distinctive style, great
charisma. Most of his best work was before 1960, when he went all
"Blue Hawaii." He never wrote a song and his instrumental skills very
limited.
Compared with someone like Roy Orbison, for example, Roy had
a better voice, was a fantastic songwriter, and played decent guitar.
But he didn't reach the same levels of fame because he was a rather
ugly dude.
Then there's Dylan. He deserves legend status due to his 1960s-70s
songwriting alone.
On 26/10/2023 2:55 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 8:31 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:
On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more >>> from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm >>> guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
Great, Whisp!
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow - >>>>> so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : )
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim
Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it >>>> this long.
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe >>> throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe? I'd
consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a >>> huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
Elvis isn't my personal goat - a true artist should produce his ownYour list is terrible. It's insane to give Elvis that status. He was
more cultural phenomenon--good voice, distinctive style, great
charisma. Most of his best work was before 1960, when he went all
"Blue Hawaii." He never wrote a song and his instrumental skills very
limited.
material imo - but I can see he's considered the biggest star of all.
He had the unrealistic good looks, amazing voice and the way he
performed was all natural and from the heart. It's estimated more 1
billion Elvis records have been sold worldwide, more than anyone in
record industry history. He's not a crazy goat choice imo. He ticked
all boxes except song writing - that's a big deficit to be sure, but not really fatal. Music is entertainment/sex etc after all. You can't say
he didn't have sex appeal and wasn't entertaining.
Compared with someone like Roy Orbison, for example, Roy hadSure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you,
a better voice, was a fantastic songwriter, and played decent guitar.
But he didn't reach the same levels of fame because he was a rather
ugly dude.
make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
Then there's Dylan. He deserves legend status due to his 1960s-70s
songwriting alone.
Never did it for me. He's a great artist but can't be a goat candidate
imo. Elvis appealed to a much bigger audience.
If I could pick 1 artist I'd love to be in the front row at peak, Elvis
is certainly in the short list.
Elvis isn't my personal goat - a true artist should produce his own
material imo - but I can see he's considered the biggest star of all. He
had the unrealistic good looks, amazing voice and the way he performed
was all natural and from the heart. It's estimated more 1 billion Elvis records have been sold worldwide, more than anyone in record industry history. He's not a crazy goat choice imo. He ticked all boxes except song writing - that's a big deficit to be sure, but not really fatal.
Music is entertainment/sex etc after all. You can't say he didn't have
sex appeal and wasn't entertaining.
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you,
make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
Rob Orbison grifted his way
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winning Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.
If I could pick 1 artist I'd love to be in the front row at peak, Elvis
is certainly in the short list.
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:39:18 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote:count for something, but everyone places their priorities differently.
If I could pick 1 artist I'd love to be in the front row at peak, ElvisIf you are going to make a list like this, better to set parameters in the first place. Are we talking about raw talent (insofar as it can be measured), magnitude of stardom, looks, charisma, songwriting, instrumental prowess, etc? All of these things
is certainly in the short list.
If I could pick 1 artist I'd love to be in the front row at peak,
Elvis is certainly in the short list.
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:28:12 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:because he could generate loads of infectious energy. You can tell his concerts of that era were great. But Elvis the crooner never did much for me as far as conveying anything emotionally. Yeah, he made the women swoon in Vegas even after he was a
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:Roy was no grifter!
Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you,Rob Orbison grifted his way
make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winning Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.IMO Orbison had the better natural voice. Sounds here like Whisper is trying to make a case that Elvis was a better *singer* because of what he brought emotionally. That's very subjective, of course. I love the singing of 1950s Sun Records Elvis
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:28:12 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:because he could generate loads of infectious energy. You can tell his concerts of that era were great. But Elvis the crooner never did much for me as far as conveying anything emotionally. Yeah, he made the women swoon in Vegas even after he was a
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you, make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
Rob Orbison grifted his wayRoy was no grifter!
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winning Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.IMO Orbison had the better natural voice. Sounds here like Whisper is trying to make a case that Elvis was a better *singer* because of what he brought emotionally. That's very subjective, of course. I love the singing of 1950s Sun Records Elvis
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 16:31:06 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:because he could generate loads of infectious energy. You can tell his concerts of that era were great. But Elvis the crooner never did much for me as far as conveying anything emotionally. Yeah, he made the women swoon in Vegas even after he was a
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:28:12 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:Roy was no grifter!
Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you,Rob Orbison grifted his way
make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winning Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.IMO Orbison had the better natural voice. Sounds here like Whisper is trying to make a case that Elvis was a better *singer* because of what he brought emotionally. That's very subjective, of course. I love the singing of 1950s Sun Records Elvis
no that IS the thing, Elvis' voice effect was way stronger than Orbison. You could argue Orbison was technically a better singer, don't some reckon he had a 4 octave range which is beyond most opera singers but he couldn't move people quite asemotionally as Elvis could.
On 10/26/23 10:47 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
emotionally as Elvis could.no that IS the thing, Elvis' voice effect was way stronger than Orbison. You could argue Orbison was technically a better singer, don't some reckon he had a 4 octave range which is beyond most opera singers but he couldn't move people quite as
...but Frank really liked when Ben lip-synced "In Dreams".
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:47:54 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:because he could generate loads of infectious energy. You can tell his concerts of that era were great. But Elvis the crooner never did much for me as far as conveying anything emotionally. Yeah, he made the women swoon in Vegas even after he was a
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 16:31:06 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:28:12 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
Roy was no grifter!Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you, >>>>> make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.Rob Orbison grifted his way
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winning Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.IMO Orbison had the better natural voice. Sounds here like Whisper is trying to make a case that Elvis was a better *singer* because of what he brought emotionally. That's very subjective, of course. I love the singing of 1950s Sun Records Elvis
emotionally as Elvis could.no that IS the thing, Elvis' voice effect was way stronger than Orbison. You could argue Orbison was technically a better singer, don't some reckon he had a 4 octave range which is beyond most opera singers but he couldn't move people quite as
And you say that based on what? Record sales or concert attendance? That just means Elvis obviously became a much bigger star. It also connects to my original point, that a lot of Elvis's appeal was physical. Everyone knows he got the women hot andbothered. That's only one aspect of moving people "emotionally."
Interesting side-note that Orbison opened for the Beatles in the UK in 1963, before international Beatlemania. John Lennon had to drag him off the stage because he kept get encores.
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 16:31:06 UTC+1, Gracchus wrote:because he could generate loads of infectious energy. You can tell his concerts of that era were great. But Elvis the crooner never did much for me as far as conveying anything emotionally. Yeah, he made the women swoon in Vegas even after he was a
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:28:12 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you, make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
Rob Orbison grifted his wayRoy was no grifter!
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winning Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.IMO Orbison had the better natural voice. Sounds here like Whisper is trying to make a case that Elvis was a better *singer* because of what he brought emotionally. That's very subjective, of course. I love the singing of 1950s Sun Records Elvis
no that IS the thing, Elvis' voice effect was way stronger than Orbison. You could argue Orbison was technically a better singer, don't some reckon he had a 4 octave range which is beyond most opera singers but he couldn't move people quite asemotionally as Elvis could.
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:58:52 AM UTC-7, Sawfish wrote:emotionally as Elvis could.
On 10/26/23 10:47 AM, The Iceberg wrote:
no that IS the thing, Elvis' voice effect was way stronger than Orbison. You could argue Orbison was technically a better singer, don't some reckon he had a 4 octave range which is beyond most opera singers but he couldn't move people quite as
...but Frank really liked when Ben lip-synced "In Dreams".Orbison was horrified when they previewed the movie for him. Eventually he came around. Good thing, since he'd lost the rights to the song and Lynch intended to use it regardless.
Interesting connection on its origin: Roy said he dreamed Elvis was singing "In Dreams" on the radio. When he woke up, he wrote the song.
On 10/26/23 8:31 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:28:12 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote:I'm going out on a limb here somewhat, but I see Elvis as a filthy
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:Roy was no grifter!
Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you,Rob Orbison grifted his way
make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winningIMO Orbison had the better natural voice. Sounds here like Whisper is
Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.
trying to make a case that Elvis was a better *singer* because of what
he brought emotionally. That's very subjective, of course. I love the
singing of 1950s Sun Records Elvis because he could generate loads of
infectious energy. You can tell his concerts of that era were great.
But Elvis the crooner never did much for me as far as conveying
anything emotionally. Yeah, he made the women swoon in Vegas even
after he was a bloated shell, but that's a whole different thing.
vulgarian.
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> writes:
If I could pick 1 artist I'd love to be in the front row at peak,
Elvis is certainly in the short list.
I saw this the other day and thought of you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwAhuEVuM7c :)
On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:
On 26/10/2023 2:55 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 8:31 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 8:12:01 AM UTC-7, Whisper wrote: >>> On 26/10/2023 1:32 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/25/23 7:15 AM, Whisper wrote:Don't know a whole lot about Morrison, suspect his legacy benefited more
Wow what a concert! Probably the goat? Up there with Elvis and
Lennon at least. His voice isn't what it used to be, but at 81 wow - >>>>> so glad I got to see a beatle this close , 6 rows from stage : ) >>>> Great, Whisp!
I recently got curious about the Doors and read a bunch about Jim >>>> Morrison. What a contrast with McCartney, Jagger, and those who made it
this long.
from him dying young more so than any genuine genius level talent? I'm >>> guessing he would have fizzled out quickly if he didn't die young?
My tier 1 goat list is probably (no particular order);
Elvis
Lennon
McCartney
Sting
Michael Jackson
Don't think anyone else can be ranked ahead of these guys? Could maybe >>> throw Hendrix in there, but not enough runs on the board maybe? I'd >>> consider Dean Martin and Sinatra maybe from 'wood' era?
If I had to pick one I guess the consensus would be Elvis? Sting is a >>> huge McCartney fan and even he said Elvis was the king : )
yes agree, he revolutionised music too, worldwide everyone has heard of him and knows what he looks like. If Fed had won FO beating Nadal and then quit after winning Wimbledon at 20 slams, that prob like Elvis equivalent :DElvis isn't my personal goat - a true artist should produce his own material imo - but I can see he's considered the biggest star of all.Your list is terrible. It's insane to give Elvis that status. He was
more cultural phenomenon--good voice, distinctive style, great
charisma. Most of his best work was before 1960, when he went all
"Blue Hawaii." He never wrote a song and his instrumental skills very >> limited.
He had the unrealistic good looks, amazing voice and the way he
performed was all natural and from the heart. It's estimated more 1 billion Elvis records have been sold worldwide, more than anyone in
record industry history. He's not a crazy goat choice imo. He ticked
all boxes except song writing - that's a big deficit to be sure, but not really fatal. Music is entertainment/sex etc after all. You can't say
he didn't have sex appeal and wasn't entertaining.
Rob Orbison grifted his way, Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winning Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.Compared with someone like Roy Orbison, for example, Roy hadSure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you,
a better voice, was a fantastic songwriter, and played decent guitar. >> But he didn't reach the same levels of fame because he was a rather
ugly dude.
make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.
planet.Then there's Dylan. He deserves legend status due to his 1960s-70s
songwriting alone.
Never did it for me. He's a great artist but can't be a goat candidate imo. Elvis appealed to a much bigger audience.much preferred Michael Jackson but Dylan wrote so many songs and had Gigantic influence, it annoying but he prob #3 but the Beatles were better and went way beyond. Pelle wrote good post pointing out their musicality a while ago, they were just off the
If I could pick 1 artist I'd love to be in the front row at peak, ElvisYEAH!
is certainly in the short list.
On 27/10/2023 5:00 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 10/26/23 8:31 AM, Gracchus wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:28:12 AM UTC-7, The Iceberg wrote: >>>> On Thursday, 26 October 2023 at 08:39:18 UTC+1, Whisper wrote:I'm going out on a limb here somewhat, but I see Elvis as a filthy
Roy was no grifter!Sure, but I'd say Elvis' voice was better. An artist has to move you, >>>>> make you feel something - Elvis certainly did that.Rob Orbison grifted his way
Elvis was an overnight sensation. He was like Becker winningIMO Orbison had the better natural voice. Sounds here like Whisper
Wimbledon at 17! Orbison was prob more like Edberg.
is trying to make a case that Elvis was a better *singer* because of
what he brought emotionally. That's very subjective, of course. I
love the singing of 1950s Sun Records Elvis because he could
generate loads of infectious energy. You can tell his concerts of
that era were great. But Elvis the crooner never did much for me as
far as conveying anything emotionally. Yeah, he made the women swoon
in Vegas even after he was a bloated shell, but that's a whole
different thing.
vulgarian.
Orbison too looks a little creepy no - like the odd loner living by
himself while young single mothers are going missing around the
neighborhood.
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