Alcaraz vs Medvedev.
Alcaraz must win to have a chance to reach the SF, so he got the
motivation he wants :)
If he wins and Zverev wins, then Zverev, Alcaraz and Medvedev
will have two wins each, and only two can go to the
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On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:47:02 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Alcaraz vs Medvedev.
Alcaraz must win to have a chance to reach the SF, so he got the
motivation he wants :)
If he wins and Zverev wins, then Zverev, Alcaraz and Medvedev
will have two wins each, and only two can go to the
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And finally Alcaraz gets Djokovic as he wanted since he mentioned he practices only to face Djokovic :)
Djokovic is the favorite of course with all his indoor experience, Runs should have done better :)

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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:16:09 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:47:02 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Alcaraz vs Medvedev.
Alcaraz must win to have a chance to reach the SF, so he got the motivation he wants :)
If he wins and Zverev wins, then Zverev, Alcaraz and Medvedev
will have two wins each, and only two can go to the
SF.

And finally Alcaraz gets Djokovic as he wanted since he mentioned he practices only to face Djokovic :)
Djokovic is the favorite of course with all his indoor experience, Runs should have done better :)

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only
matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

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On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:47:02 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Alcaraz vs Medvedev. > Alcaraz must win to have a chance to reach the SF, so he got the > motivation he wants :) > If he wins and Zverev wins, then Zverev, Alcaraz and

Medvedev > will have two wins each, and only two can go to the > SF. > > -- > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlAnd finally Alcaraz gets Djokovic as he wanted since he mentioned he
practices only to face Djokovic :)Djokovic is the favorite of course with all his indoor experience, Runs should have done better :)



Alcaraz is such an amazing athlete and a student and quick to adapt that I'd say Djokovic has no advantage in terms of experience.


If Djokovic wins it will be because he's better.
Has to serve great and return great, do that better than Alcaraz.


I know it's weird, but it's true.


Alcaraz complained the courts are too fast after his match vs Zverev, and in fact they are fast, it's the fastest tournament of the season, and already in his third match he dispatches big serving Medvedev 64 64.

Crazy how quickly he improves and adapts.


Btw I don't think Alcaraz complained and meant to say the courts shouldn't be this fast, he said something how he didn't expect it, and how he expected moderately fast surface for year end tournament to accommodate various players.








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Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:16:09AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:47:02PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > Alcaraz vs Medvedev. > > Alcaraz must win to have a chance to reach the SF, so he got the > >

motivation he wants :) > > If he wins and Zverev wins, then Zverev, Alcaraz and Medvedev > > will have two wins each, and only two can go to the > > SF. > And finally Alcaraz gets Djokovic as he wanted since he mentioned he practices only to face
Djokovic :) > Djokovic is the favorite of course with all his indoor experience, Runs should have done better :)People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-
Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only

matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 10:26:44 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:16:09 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:47:02 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Alcaraz vs Medvedev.
Alcaraz must win to have a chance to reach the SF, so he got the motivation he wants :)
If he wins and Zverev wins, then Zverev, Alcaraz and Medvedev
will have two wins each, and only two can go to the
SF.

And finally Alcaraz gets Djokovic as he wanted since he mentioned he practices only to face Djokovic :)
Djokovic is the favorite of course with all his indoor experience, Runs should have done better :)

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only

matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

🤔😁

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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only

matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
--

Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the

only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
--

Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.

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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the

only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
--

Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.

The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris!

The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with
his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!"

If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged
Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!

Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record
and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.


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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49�

��PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev
again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > > > Court
will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > :) > > > > > -- > > > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I
think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉 > > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.> The question was which player do I
despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal
has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" > > If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam
race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive
aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his
rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win
anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to
extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle.But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-
skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the
role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke. So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll
have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome Serb if that's your preference. ;)



Yoo-hoo idiot, if anyone was ever gracious in defeat, it was Djokovic over the course of last 20 years, he's been probably the most gracious loser on tour, at least among high profile guys.

So him assuming the role of elder statesman is something that comes naturally, he's 36 years old and a living legend.




The ear, however is for racist fucktards like yourself.

The ones who cheer his double faults, which is not a tennis etiquette.

The ones who would have never written "loathsome Jew" but have no problems writing "loathsome Serb".


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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is

the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
--

Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.

The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris!

The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with

his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!"

If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged

Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!

Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every

record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.

I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his
super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle.

But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed
opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke.

So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome
Serb if that's your preference. ;)

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On 11/17/2023 6:42 PM, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>>> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the

only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
--

Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.

The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! >>
The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with

his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!"

If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged

Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!

Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every

record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.

I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his

super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle.

But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks

outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke.

So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome

Serb if that's your preference. ;)


"This is some GOOD shit" (reflections from the original 'Revenge of the
Nerds' movie).

This is why I LOVE rst - posters like Court1 and Gracchus
agreeing/disagreeing on subjects with great insight. Great reading!
Amazing how many times I had a shitty day at work, came home, and rst
made me smile (or laugh).
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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59PM

UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People
were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in
all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >
Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday.  > > > So there it is--you finally admit
it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > > The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world
that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I
would have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into
1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the
opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached
into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and
could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I
doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%.
It's amazing how disciplined he's been since 2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match.
He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his
entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved
has been nauseating. His camp is definitely sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice
since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and
tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom
line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome Serb if that's
your preference. ;)I'm not a fan either but I've accept

It seems you never got convinced when Gracchus confirmed to you
his love and loyalty to Novak two months ago because your efforts
to enlist him in your Jehovah's club never faded.
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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is

the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
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Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.

The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris!

The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately

with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!"

If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged

Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!

Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every

record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.

I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his

super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle.

Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of women not his wife(allegedly of course!)

As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%. It's amazing how disciplined he's been since 2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's a big part of what motivated him.

But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks

outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke.

Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved has been nauseating. His camp is definitely sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper himself as much as possible due to big
sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that
respect.

You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments about the goat race and his desire to lead the
slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous?

So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome

Serb if that's your preference. ;)

I'm not a fan either but I've accepted the order of things. Two different things.

As for which players I want to win the tournament, it would be nice to see Alcaraz or Sinner winning it and if they do win it, perhaps they can then carry their winning ways vs Pipe Cleaner to the slams? I mean, how long do we have to wait? *rolls eyes*

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On 11/17/2023 6:42 PM, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: >>>>>> Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the

only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
:)
--

Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.

The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! >>
The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with

his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!"

If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged

Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!

Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every

record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.

I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his

super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle.

But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks

outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke.

So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome

Serb if that's your preference. ;)

"This is some GOOD shit" (reflections from the original 'Revenge of the
Nerds' movie).

This is why I LOVE rst - posters like Court1 and Gracchus
agreeing/disagreeing on subjects with great insight. Great reading!
Amazing how many times I had a shitty day at work, came home, and rst
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On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 > Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM

UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People
were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in
all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > >
Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > > > So there it is--you finally admit it.
I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > > The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that
he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would
have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st
place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the
opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached
into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and
could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I
doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%.
It's amazing how disciplined he's been since 2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match.
He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his
entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved
has been nauseating. His camp is definitely sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice
since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and
tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom
line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome Serb if that's
your preference. ;)I'm not a fan either but I've accepted the order of things. Two different things.As for which players I want to win the tournament, it would be nice to see Alcaraz or Sinner winning it and if they do win it, perhaps they can then carry
their winning ways vs Pipe Cleaner to the slams? I mean, how long do we have to wait? *rolls eyes*

It seems you never got convinced when Gracchus confirmed to you
his love and loyalty to Novak two months ago because your efforts
to enlist him in your Jehovah's club never faded.

When did Gracchus confirm his love and loyalty to Novak? He did nothing of the sort.

I just find it interesting that he absolutely despised Nadal for years and didn't have much of a problem with Novak. Now it seems the reverse has occurred. But that's part of life. We grow and change our opinions with the passage of time.

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:06:41PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday,

November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-
8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and
hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > > >
that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > > > I'd
pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > > > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > > The
truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his
bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to
you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better
than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he
wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed
everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an
aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of
women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%. It's amazing how disciplined he's been since 2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's
a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for
applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--
always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved has been nauseating. His camp is definitely sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper
himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal
needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments
about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I
think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie.

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39AM UTC-

8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it
lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris
wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and
twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he
is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is
too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You
thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and
dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn'
t be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.

How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses?
I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain
questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title
more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about
this?

Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed
to say something to avoid criticism like yours.

But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling
the truth about himself and in the same time describing the real
Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: >

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking

forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat
the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) >

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I

don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter
comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the
past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!
Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record
and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses?I have seen only one interview where he
was asked certain questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about this?Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed to say something to avoid criticism like
yours.But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling the truth about himself and in the same time describing the real Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.
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Nadal can speak (accurately) about Djokovic's motivation and state of mind same way I can talk about what's in your head.


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On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:01:56 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday,

November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM
UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash
and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > >

that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > > > I'

d pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > > > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > > The
truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his
bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to
you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better
than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he
wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed
everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an
aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of
women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%. It's amazing how disciplined he's been since 2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's
a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for
applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--
always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved has been nauseating. His camp is definitely sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper
himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal
needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments
about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I
think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome Serb if that's your preference. ;)I'm not a fan either but I've accepted the order of things. Two different things.As for which players I want to
win the tournament, it would be nice to see Alcaraz or Sinner winning it and if they do win it, perhaps they can then carry their winning ways vs Pipe Cleaner to the slams? I mean, how long do we have to wait? *rolls eyes* > > It seems you never got
convinced when Gracchus confirmed to you > his love and loyalty to Novak two months ago because your efforts > to enlist him in your Jehovah's club never faded.When did Gracchus confirm his love and loyalty to Novak? He did nothing of the sort.I just
find it interesting that he absolutely despised Nadal for years and didn't have much of a problem with Novak. Now it seems the reverse has occurred. But that's part of life. We grow and change our opinions with the passage of time.

Hilarious :)

It's the truth. We change our opinions about things as new facts come in. You can't continue to have an outdated opinion about something when new credible evidence comes forward. We need to continue to evolve.

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On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM

UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope
it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is
Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day
and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who
he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is
too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You
thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and
dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn'
t be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.

How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses?

Nadal has used his injury excuses throughout his career. Are you serious?

I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain
questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title
more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about
this?

Well, you're not keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get out of bed and train everyday
like a madman? However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead of Djokovic in their head to
head, did he? Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade, he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.

Before Federer retired, he had Rolex do that awful commercial where it said numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to
the kingdom but he was mistaken and now his comments just come off as resentment.

Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed
to say something to avoid criticism like yours.

But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling
the truth about himself and in the same time describing the real
Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?

He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created the humble guy persona for Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a
few times especially in the past few years.

Whether or not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the Big Three despise each other. When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO.

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:01:56AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22 PM

UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday,
November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if
Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of
her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough
choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > > > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly
in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > > The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the
real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you'
re listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he'
s owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness
from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and
cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and
enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing
around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%. It's amazing how disciplined he's been since
2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me
more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking
of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved has been nauseating. His camp is definitely
sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has
broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay
pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments
and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if

Okay, you don't even know what the joke is all about :)
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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday,

November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would
never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > >

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more.

But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I
despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has
been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and
how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive
comments and accept that he's better than you! Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At
least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as
BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain > questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions
that he talked about > this? Well, you're not keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get
out of bed and train everyday like a madman? However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead
of Djokovic in their head to head, did he? Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade, he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex
do that awful commercial where it said numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and
now his comments just come off as resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to avoid criticism like yours. > > But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about
himself and in the same time describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created
the humble guy persona for Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few years.Whether or not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the
Big Three despise each other. When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO.

Every player wants to win the slam race, but the amount of
obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this
goal is what Nadal was talking about.

You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you
concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else,
and you view this transformation as something magical that has to
be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone
should believe in this holy book while you are the messenger for
the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with
you.

Does this seem right?
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Every player wants to win the slam race...

Yeah, the fans too. E.g. I too would love to win the slam race.

but the amount of obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this goal is what Nadal was talking about.

Obsession is a bad word for focus. Why don't you say Djokovic is focused?


And what are Djokovic's sacrifices?


Family?
He had kids first time in 2014, Nadal in 2022.
So who postponed having family to the near end of his career?

Body and injuries?
Djokovic wasted nearly 2 years by dealing with issues before opting for a minor surgery because he's unwilling to mess with his body. Right or wrong he was rather conservative in his approach. Obsessed man would do stuff sooner.

He was also willing to forego slam chase altogether if the price was bodily submission to pharmaceutical mafia. Remember that?

Does that not prove he was not (as) obsessed with slam race and has had other, even higher ideals and motivations? Whether you agree with them or not he proved slams come 2nd to him at least in that situation so you can tone it down with "obsession".


Meanwhile Nadal has long history of doing all sorts of procedures to come back to tennis and on court, to solve injuries and that's considered heroics, I agree it is, but think for a moment who's risking his health, pushing his body and who should be
considered more obsessed of the two if anyone?



I told you, it's sour grapes to try to comment what Nadal tried. He's not the one to explain "Djokovic's mind" to us. He can talk about himself and that's it.

He gains nothing.

You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, and you view this transformation as something magical that has to be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and

everyone should believe in this holy book while you are the messenger for the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with you.Does this seem right?



The margins are thin between the big three, but he's preserved his body better than them, won couple of close matches vs them, and so he has reaped rewards in terms of winning more slams.

Just like tennis scoring, e.g. 51% points won is not much of a difference but it gives you solid 64 64 win, rather comfortable on scoreboard.



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On 19/11/2023 11:03 am, *skriptis wrote:

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Every player wants to win the slam race...

Yeah, the fans too. E.g. I too would love to win the slam race.

but the amount of obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this goal is what Nadal was talking about.

Obsession is a bad word for focus. Why don't you say Djokovic is focused?

And what are Djokovic's sacrifices?

Family?
He had kids first time in 2014, Nadal in 2022.
So who postponed having family to the near end of his career?

Body and injuries?
Djokovic wasted nearly 2 years by dealing with issues before opting for a minor surgery because he's unwilling to mess with his body. Right or wrong he was rather conservative in his approach. Obsessed man would do stuff sooner.

He was also willing to forego slam chase altogether if the price was bodily submission to pharmaceutical mafia. Remember that?

Does that not prove he was not (as) obsessed with slam race and has had other, even higher ideals and motivations? Whether you agree with them or not he proved slams come 2nd to him at least in that situation so you can tone it down with "obsession".

Meanwhile Nadal has long history of doing all sorts of procedures to come back to tennis and on court, to solve injuries and that's considered heroics, I agree it is, but think for a moment who's risking his health, pushing his body and who should be

considered more obsessed of the two if anyone?

I told you, it's sour grapes to try to comment what Nadal tried. He's not the one to explain "Djokovic's mind" to us. He can talk about himself and that's it.

He gains nothing.

You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, and you view this transformation as something magical that has to be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and

everyone should believe in this holy book while you are the messenger for the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with you.Does this seem right?

The margins are thin between the big three, but he's preserved his body better than them, won couple of close matches vs them, and so he has reaped rewards in terms of winning more slams.

Just like tennis scoring, e.g. 51% points won is not much of a difference but it gives you solid 64 64 win, rather comfortable on scoreboard.

Yes well said. We all have our biases but they need to be put to one
side when repeating evidence comes in. I personally had Novak 3rd in
the big 3 about 10 yrs ago, then 2nd for a long time behind Rafa. Now
when you look at him playing better than ever you just have to give up
the arguments. I know PWL thinks players are past peak at 26 to give
Federer some arguing points, but that's clearly not true when it comes
to a sport like tennis where the brain is a bigger deciding factor than physicality. Novak is not as fast or flexible or durable as he was 10
yrs ago, but he's so much stronger in other areas/intangibles (eg his
serve is a much bigger weapon these days, and comes to net a lot more)
that he's a better tennis player overall. He knows exactly what he has
to do to maximize his chances of beating all types of opponents. He
knows which points are critical and which not so much. Younger guys
don't know this, or at least nowhere near to his level. The only time
I've seen him unable to focus on the point at hand and unlock what's
required is the 2021 USO final, and that was simply due to the
overwhelming mental strain of trying to win the calendar slam - his mind
was racing/pumping and he just couldn't put that distraction to 1 side.
Look how freely he played v the same opponent 2 yrs later in recent USO
final.


So yeah not much we can argue with, he'll prob be winning a slam at age
40.

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On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:06:46 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 < Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:01:56 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1> Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22

PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday,
November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if
Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of
her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough
choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > > > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly
in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > > The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the
real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you'
re listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he'
s owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness
from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and
cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and
enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing
around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%. It's amazing how disciplined he's been since
2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me
more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking
of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved has been nauseating. His camp is definitely
sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has
broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay
pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments
and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome Serb if that's your preference. ;)I'm not a fan either but I've
accepted the order of things. Two different things.As for which players I want to win the tournament, it would be nice to see Alcaraz or Sinner winning it and if they do win it, perhaps they can then carry their winning ways vs Pipe Cleaner to the slams?
I mean, how long do we have to wait? *rolls eyes* > > It seems you never got convinced when Gracchus confirmed to you > his love and loyalty to Novak two months ago because your efforts > to enlist him in your Jehovah's club never faded.When did Gracchus
confirm his love and loyalty to Novak? He did nothing of the sort.I just find it interesting that he absolutely despised Nadal for years and didn't have much of a problem with Novak. Now it seems the reverse has occurred. But that's part of life. We grow
and change our opinions with the passage of time. > > Hilarious :)It's the truth. We change our opinions about things as new facts come in. You can't continue to have an outdated opinion about something when new credible evidence comes forward. We need
to continue to evolve.

Okay, you don't even know what the joke is all about :)

No, no idea and don't care.

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On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:17:00 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday,

November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would
never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > >

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more.

But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I
despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has
been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and
how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive
comments and accept that he's better than you! Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At
least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as
BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain > questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions
that he talked about > this? Well, you're not keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get
out of bed and train everyday like a madman? However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead
of Djokovic in their head to head, did he? Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade, he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex
do that awful commercial where it said numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and
now his comments just come off as resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to avoid criticism like yours. > > But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about
himself and in the same time describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created
the humble guy persona for Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few years.Whether or not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the
Big Three despise each other. When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO.

Every player wants to win the slam race, but the amount of
obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this
goal is what Nadal was talking about.

And if that's what he was really talking about, it's ridiculous. As I said, he certainly cared about the slam race when he was the closest one to Federer and looked sure to have sole keys to the kingdom. He clearly didn't anticipate Djokovic stealing
his thunder. IMO, all Big Three players CLEARLY wanted the slam record and admitted as such in the past. All were super motivated to achieve that goal. It's preposterous to claim Djokovic was more obsessed than the other two IMO. As I said, it just
comes off as sour grapes from The Bull.

You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you
concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else,
and you view this transformation as something magical that has to
be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone
should believe in this holy book while you are the messenger for
the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with
you.

Does this seem right?

There's no transformation on my part. Federer will always be my favorite player(along with Borg). Djokovic breaking all the records doesn't change that but I'm sure as hell not stupid enough to drink Fedal kool-aid when every single tangible record tells
me that Djokovic has surpassed them. It's not rocket science. That's why I said earlier, when new evidence comes in that is rock solid, it's inane to keep on parroting, Federer is the greatest. He isn't and that's ok to any fan who doesn't have an
abnormal attachment to him. That eliminates you. ;)

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Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:17:00PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-

5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@
gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be
able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > >

-- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit

it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we
obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82
slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged
Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake
humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest
cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain > questions and he
answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about > this? Well, you're not keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic was obsessed with
the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get out of bed and train everyday like a madman? However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the past that he
wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead of Djokovic in their head to head, did he? Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade, he sings a
different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex do that awful commercial where it said numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all wanted to
win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and now his comments just come off as resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to avoid criticism like yours.

But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about himself and in the same time describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no uncertain

terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created the humble guy persona for Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few years.Whether or not
Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the Big Three despise each other. When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO. > Every player wants to
win the slam race, but the amount of > obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this > goal is what Nadal was talking about. And if that's what he was really talking about, it's ridiculous. As I said, he certainly cared about the slam
race when he was the closest one to Federer and looked s

You are the one that is too affixed to Djokovic's goatness and
want to make sure everyone pledges allegiance to your
beliefs.

BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the
greatest? I am sure you know the answer.


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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the greatest? I am sure you know the answer.

You may have not done it by saying it openly, but it's enough to belittle Djokovic's current opponents, which is what you do.

If not belittle them, then at best, you're claiming they're too young.

Agassi and Sampras won YEC at 20, Becker and Djokovic at 21, but Alcaraz who is a multiple slam champion is somehow "too young at 20".

He may not have tons of experience of a tour veteran, but no 20-year old player can have that. So what's the point?

It's his obstacle that he needs to overcome, just as the older guy has his obstacles, ie weaker body and so on.


Have you argued Nadal was too young and inexperienced when he lost to Federer in his first YEC?






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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the greatest? I am sure you know the answer.You may have not done it by saying it openly, but it's enough to belittle Djokovic's

current opponents, which is what you do.If not belittle them, then at best, you're claiming they're too young.Agassi and Sampras won YEC at 20, Becker and Djokovic at 21, but Alcaraz who is a multiple slam champion is somehow "too young at 20".He may not
have tons of experience of a tour veteran, but no 20-year old player can have that. So what's the point?It's his obstacle that he needs to overcome, just as the older guy has his obstacles, ie weaker body and so on.Have you argued Nadal was too young and
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You are twisting others' posts in certain topics to bring them in
your own created discussion in different topics.

Let court handle herself, she is a big girl.


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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the greatest? I am sure you know the answer.You may have not done it by saying

it openly, but it's enough to belittle Djokovic's current opponents, which is what you do.If not belittle them, then at best, you're claiming they're too young.Agassi and Sampras won YEC at 20, Becker and Djokovic at 21, but Alcaraz who is a multiple
slam champion is somehow "too young at 20".He may not have tons of experience of a tour veteran, but no 20-year old player can have that. So what's the point?It's his obstacle that he needs to overcome, just as the older guy has his obstacles, ie weaker
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I replied to you, and I've commented on you.


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On 19/11/2023 6:01 pm, *skriptis wrote:

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the greatest? I am sure you know the answer.

You may have not done it by saying it openly, but it's enough to belittle Djokovic's current opponents, which is what you do.

If not belittle them, then at best, you're claiming they're too young.

Agassi and Sampras won YEC at 20, Becker and Djokovic at 21, but Alcaraz who is a multiple slam champion is somehow "too young at 20".

He may not have tons of experience of a tour veteran, but no 20-year old player can have that. So what's the point?

It's his obstacle that he needs to overcome, just as the older guy has his obstacles, ie weaker body and so on.

Have you argued Nadal was too young and inexperienced when he lost to Federer in his first YEC?

PWL says Sinner at 22 is too young and green and Federer was past peak
at 26. That's an incredibly narrow age range where a goat can flourish.
I guess non-goats like Novak can win slams over a 20 yr period no
problems. Not sure I want to be goat, I'd rather be Novak : )

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PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the greatest? I am sure you know the answer.

You may have not done it by saying it openly, but it's enough to belittle Djokovic's current opponents, which is what you do.

If not belittle them, then at best, you're claiming they're too young.

Agassi and Sampras won YEC at 20, Becker and Djokovic at 21, but Alcaraz who is a multiple slam champion is somehow "too young at 20".

He may not have tons of experience of a tour veteran, but no 20-year old player can have that. So what's the point?

It's his obstacle that he needs to overcome, just as the older guy has his obstacles, ie weaker body and so on.

Have you argued Nadal was too young and inexperienced when he lost to Federer in his first YEC?
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Wasn't Tsitsi 20 as well when he won it?

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Wasn't Tsitsi 20 as well when he won it?

He was 21, so yeah we could add him as well, but I only counted few of the past greats with multiple slams to make my point.

Hewitt was 20 as well, and so on.

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On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:45:08 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 <> Wrote in message:r

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:17:00 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM

UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <
grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1
will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > >

:) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you

finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world
that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I
would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place
and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't
stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and
Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain >
questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about > this? Well, you're not keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic
was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get out of bed and train everyday like a madman? However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the
past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead of Djokovic in their head to head, did he? Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade,
he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex do that awful commercial where it said numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all
wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and now his comments just come off as resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to avoid criticism
like yours. > > But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about himself and in the same time describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no
uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created the humble guy persona for Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few years.Whether or
not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the Big Three despise each other. When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO. > Every player wants
to win the slam race, but the amount of > obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this > goal is what Nadal was talking about. And if that's what he was really talking about, it's ridiculous. As I said, he certainly cared about the slam
race when he was the closest one to Federer and looked sure to have sole keys to the kingdom. He clearly didn't anticipate Djokovic stealing his thunder. IMO, all Big Three players CLEARLY wanted the slam record and admitted as such in the past. All were
super motivated to achieve that goal. It's preposterous to claim Djokovic was more obsessed than the other two IMO. As I said, it just comes off as sour grapes from The Bull.> > You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you >
concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, > and you view this transformation as something magical that has to > be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone > should believe in this holy book while you are the
messenger for > the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with > you. > > Does this seem right?There's no transformation on my part. Federer will always be my favorite player(along with Borg). Djokovic breaking all the records doesn't
change that but I'm sure as hell not stupid enough to drink Fedal kool-aid when every single tangible record tells me that Djokovic has surpassed them. It's not rocket science. That's why I said earlier, when new evidence comes in that is rock solid, it'
s inane to keep on parroting, Federer is the greatest. He isn't and that's ok to any fan who doesn't have an abnormal attachment to him. That eliminates you. ;)

You are the one that is too affixed to Djokovic's goatness and
want to make sure everyone pledges allegiance to your
beliefs.

BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the
greatest? I am sure you know the answer.

Ha, ha! Give me a break would you? Pretty much every one of your posts is an attempt to come up with any inane narrative to keep Federer as the greatest of all time(i.e. Federer was old at 27, he had mono, SARS, and typhoid fever and couldn't compete
properly, he had to play goat players five years younger, etc) and to devalue every other goat level player. The problem is, all of those theories are vapid attempts to cling to something that doesn't exist because we have the actual records and stats
to give us the proper answer. It's really very simple.

As I said, Federer will always be my favorite player but I'm not emotionally attached to him in a way that is unhealthy and doesn't allow for objective evidence to come into play.

Carry on.

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On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:45:08AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 <> Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:17:00 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09 AM

UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes
wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :)
Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can
defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over
Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The
truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his
bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In
the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!
Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record
and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses
throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain > questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about > this? Well, you're not
keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get out of bed and train everyday like a madman?
However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead of Djokovic in their head to head, did he?
Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade, he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex do that awful commercial where it said
numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and now his comments just come off as
resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to avoid criticism like yours. > > But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about himself and in the same time
describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created the humble guy persona for
Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few years.Whether or not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the Big Three despise each other.
When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO. > Every player wants to win the slam race, but the amount of > obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this > goal is what Nadal was
talking about. And if that's what he was really talking about, it's ridiculo

This is your mind that is capable of seeing black and white only,
and is incapable of understanding what is happening in
between.

Still, please find my latest post that I am stating Federer is the
goat.

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On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:30:45 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 Wrote in message:r

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:45:08 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 <> Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:17:00 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09

AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes
wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :)
Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can
defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over
Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The
truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his
bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In
the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!
Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record
and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses
throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain > questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about > this? Well, you're not
keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get out of bed and train everyday like a madman?
However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead of Djokovic in their head to head, did he?
Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade, he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex do that awful commercial where it said
numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and now his comments just come off as
resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to avoid criticism like yours. > > But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about himself and in the same time
describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created the humble guy persona for
Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few years.Whether or not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the Big Three despise each other.
When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO. > Every player wants to win the slam race, but the amount of > obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this > goal is what Nadal was
talking about. And if that's what he was really talking about, it's ridiculous. As I said, he certainly cared about the slam race when he was the closest one to Federer and looked sure to have sole keys to the kingdom. He clearly didn't anticipate
Djokovic stealing his thunder. IMO, all Big Three players CLEARLY wanted the slam record and admitted as such in the past. All were super motivated to achieve that goal. It's preposterous to claim Djokovic was more obsessed than the other two IMO. As I
said, it just comes off as sour grapes from The Bull.> > You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you > concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, > and you view this transformation as something magical that has
to > be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone > should believe in this holy book while you are the messenger for > the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with > you. > > Does this seem right?There's no
transformation on my part. Federer will always be my favorite player(along with Borg). Djokovic breaking all the records doesn't change that but I'm sure as hell not stupid enough to drink Fedal kool-aid when every single tangible record tells me that
Djokovic has surpassed them. It's not rocket science. That's why I said earlier, when new evidence comes in that is rock solid, it's inane to keep on parroting, Federer is the greatest. He isn't and that's ok to any fan who doesn't have an abnormal
attachment to him. That eliminates you. ;) > > You are the one that is too affixed to Djokovic's goatness and > want to make sure everyone pledges allegiance to your > beliefs. > > BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the >
greatest? I am sure you know the answer.Ha, ha! Give me a break would you? Pretty much every one of your posts is an attempt to come up with any inane narrative to keep Federer as the greatest of all time(i.e. Federer was old at 27, he had mono, SARS,
and typhoid fever and couldn't compete properly, he had to play goat players five years younger, etc) and to devalue every other goat level player. The problem is, all of those theories are vapid attempts to cling to something that doesn't exist because
we have the actual records and stats to give us the proper answer. It's really very simple. As I said, Federer will always be my favorite player but I'm not emotionally attached to him in a way that is unhealthy and doesn't allow for objective evidence
to come into play. Carry on.

This is your mind that is capable of seeing black and white only,
and is incapable of understanding what is happening in
between.

Still, please find my latest post that I am stating Federer is the
goat.

You are failing miserably btw.
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LOL, you are one slippery eel.

Ok, answer these questions:

Is Djokovic or Federer the GOAT? Or, if you don't believe in the whole GOAT thing(as I don't), which player is the greatest player out of the Big Three players and in what order would you rank them?

I don't only see black and white, it's quite the contrary. I said Federer was my favorite player, the most talented and stylish player of all time for me but his records have been eclipsed by Djokovic and thus Djokovic is greater.

Djokovic and Federer also played against each other for over a decade and they've played more matches against each other than any other players in the Open Era so it's easy to determine who was better. That's it. It's pretty easy to look at all the
factors and come to that conclusion unless you're a fan who lives vicariously through a player.

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On Sunday, 19 November 2023 at 00:03:03 UTC, *skriptis wrote:

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

Every player wants to win the slam race...

Yeah, the fans too. E.g. I too would love to win the slam race.

but the amount of obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this goal is what Nadal was talking about.

Obsession is a bad word for focus. Why don't you say Djokovic is focused?

And what are Djokovic's sacrifices?

Family?
He had kids first time in 2014, Nadal in 2022.
So who postponed having family to the near end of his career?

Body and injuries?
Djokovic wasted nearly 2 years by dealing with issues before opting for a minor surgery because he's unwilling to mess with his body. Right or wrong he was rather conservative in his approach. Obsessed man would do stuff sooner.

He was also willing to forego slam chase altogether if the price was bodily submission to pharmaceutical mafia. Remember that?

Does that not prove he was not (as) obsessed with slam race and has had other, even higher ideals and motivations? Whether you agree with them or not he proved slams come 2nd to him at least in that situation so you can tone it down with "obsession".

Meanwhile Nadal has long history of doing all sorts of procedures to come back to tennis and on court, to solve injuries and that's considered heroics, I agree it is, but think for a moment who's risking his health, pushing his body and who should be

considered more obsessed of the two if anyone?

I told you, it's sour grapes to try to comment what Nadal tried. He's not the one to explain "Djokovic's mind" to us. He can talk about himself and that's it.

He gains nothing.

You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, and you view this transformation as something magical that has to be documented and recognized as the absolute truth

and everyone should believe in this holy book while you are the messenger for the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with you.Does this seem right?

The margins are thin between the big three, but he's preserved his body better than them, won couple of close matches vs them, and so he has reaped rewards in terms of winning more slams.

Just like tennis scoring, e.g. 51% points won is not much of a difference but it gives you solid 64 64 win, rather comfortable on scoreboard.

yes, have to say these are good points, the vax one kind of proves it. Although some of ops Nadal has had were necessary due to his body eg. his feet aren't naturally right as Djoker's are, some of that is really Djoker's strategy is/was better - he
looked a long-term rather Nadal took the quicker fix route.

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On Friday, 17 November 2023 at 23:51:08 UTC, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote:

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is

the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time.

Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes
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Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :)

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. 😉

So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.

The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris!

The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with

his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!"

If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged

Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!

Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every

record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.

HAHAHHAAHHH the glory fan strikes again!

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On Saturday, 18 November 2023 at 06:01:56 UTC, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday,

November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM
UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash
and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > >

that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > > > > I'

d pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > > > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > > The
truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his
bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to
you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better
than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he
wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed
everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an
aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of
women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%. It's amazing how disciplined he's been since 2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's
a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for
applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--
always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved has been nauseating. His camp is definitely sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper
himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal
needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments
about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I
think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome Serb if that's your preference. ;)I'm not a fan either but I've accepted the order of things. Two different things.As for which players I want to
win the tournament, it would be nice to see Alcaraz or Sinner winning it and if they do win it, perhaps they can then carry their winning ways vs Pipe Cleaner to the slams? I mean, how long do we have to wait? *rolls eyes* > > It seems you never got
convinced when Gracchus confirmed to you > his love and loyalty to Novak two months ago because your efforts > to enlist him in your Jehovah's club never faded.When did Gracchus confirm his love and loyalty to Novak? He did nothing of the sort.I just
find it interesting that he absolutely despised Nadal for years and didn't have much of a problem with Novak. Now it seems the reverse has occurred. But that's part of life. We grow and change our opinions with the passage of time.

Hilarious :)

it very funny, but she did this with Nadal, remember before him it was Fed, but she now taken down her Nadal poster and put up a big poster of Djoker on her bedroom wall :D

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On Sunday, 19 November 2023 at 00:03:03 UTC, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > Every player wants to win the slam race... > > > Yeah, the fans too. E.g. I too would love to win the slam race.> > but the amount of

obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this goal is what Nadal was talking about.> Obsession is a bad word for focus. Why don't you say Djokovic is focused? > > > And what are Djokovic's sacrifices? > > > Family? > He had kids first
time in 2014, Nadal in 2022. > So who postponed having family to the near end of his career? > > Body and injuries? > Djokovic wasted nearly 2 years by dealing with issues before opting for a minor surgery because he's unwilling to mess with his body.
Right or wrong he was rather conservative in his approach. Obsessed man would do stuff sooner. > > He was also willing to forego slam chase altogether if the price was bodily submission to pharmaceutical mafia. Remember that? > > Does that not prove he
was not (as) obsessed with slam race and has had other, even higher ideals and motivations? Whether you agree with them or not he proved slams come 2nd to him at least in that situation so you can tone it down with "obsession". > > > Meanwhile Nadal has
long history of doing all sorts of procedures to come back to tennis and on court, to solve injuries and that's considered heroics, I agree it is, but think for a moment who's risking his health, pushing his body and who should be considered more
obsessed of the two if anyone? > > > > I told you, it's sour grapes to try to comment what Nadal tried. He's not the one to explain "Djokovic's mind" to us. He can talk about himself and that's it. > > He gains nothing.> > You are so fascinated by the
transformation you have had when you concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, and you view this transformation as something magical that has to be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone should believe in this
holy book while you are the messenger for the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with you.Does this seem right?> The margins are thin between the big three, but he's preserved his body better than them, won couple of close matches vs
them, and so he has reaped rewards in terms of winning more slams. > > Just like tennis scoring, e.g. 51% points won is not much of a difference but it gives you solid 64 64 win, rather comfortable on scoreboard.yes, have to say these are good points,
the vax one kind of proves it. Although some of ops Nadal has had were necessary due to his body eg. his feet aren't naturally right as Djoker's are, some of that is really Djoker's strategy is/was better - he looked a long-term rather Nadal took the
quicker fix route.




Sure, no disrespect for Nadal and him willing to suffer on court, carry on with injuries and so on. We love such attitude.

Just saying, both him and his fans glorify Nadal for stuff like playing tennis with dead nerves in his foot and so on.

He's glorified as a "fighter", and not as someone willing to sacrifice his body for a bit of sucesss?

Which you could easily do if you wanted to bash him.



Djokovic otoh hasn't even approached that kind of level of being willing to mutilate himself on court.

Yet he's the obsessed one?



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On Monday, 20 November 2023 at 00:44:59 UTC, Court_1 wrote:> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:30:45 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > Court_1 Wrote in message:r > > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:45:08 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 <>

Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:17:00 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:09 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17,
2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > >

Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations.

Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's
eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there
it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects
to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't
injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into
1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you! Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the
opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached
into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was
asked certain > questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about > this? Well, you're not keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed
only Djokovic was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get out of bed and train everyday like a madman? However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous
times in the past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead of Djokovic in their head to head, did he? Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay
for a decade, he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex do that awful commercial where it said numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals
and they all wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and now his comments just come off as resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to
avoid criticism like yours. > > But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about himself and in the same time describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he
stated in no uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created the humble guy persona for Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few
years.Whether or not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the Big Three despise each other. When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO. >
Every player wants to win the slam race, but the amount of > obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this > goal is what Nadal was talking about. And if that's what he was really talking about, it's ridiculous. As I said, he certainly
cared about the slam race when he was the closest one to Federer and looked sure to have sole keys to the kingdom. He clearly didn't anticipate Djokovic stealing his thunder. IMO, all Big Three players CLEARLY wanted the slam record and admitted as such
in the past. All were super motivated to achieve that goal. It's preposterous to claim Djokovic was more obsessed than the other two IMO. As I said, it just comes off as sour grapes from The Bull.> > You are so fascinated by the transformation you have
had when you > concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, > and you view this transformation as something magical that has to > be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone > should believe in this holy book while
you are the messenger for > the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with > you. > > Does this seem right?There's no transformation on my part. Federer will always be my favorite player(along with Borg). Djokovic breaking all the records
doesn't change that but I'm sure as hell not stupid enough to drink Fedal kool-aid when every single tangible record tells me that Djokovic has surpassed them. It's not rocket science. That's why I said earlier, when new evidence comes in that is rock
solid, it's inane to keep on parroting, Federer is the greatest. He isn't and that's ok to any fan who doesn't have an abnormal attachment to him. That eliminates you. ;) > > You are the one that is too affixed to Djokovic's goatness and > want to make
sure everyone pledges allegiance to your > beliefs. > > BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the > greatest? I am sure you know the answer.Ha, ha! Give me a break would you? Pretty much every one of your posts is an attempt to come
up with any inane narrative to keep Federer as the greatest of all time(i.e. Federer was old at 27, he had mono, SARS, and typhoid fever and couldn't compete properly, he had to play goat players five years younger, etc) and to devalue every other goat
level player. The problem is, all of those theories are vapid attempts to cling to something that doesn't exist because we have the actual records and stats to give us the proper answer. It's really very simple. As I said, Federer will always be my
favorite player but I'm not emotionally attached to him in a way that is unhealthy and doesn't allow for objective evidence to come into play. Carry on. > > > > This is your mind that is capable of seeing black and white only, > > and is incapable of
understanding what is happening in > > between. > > > > Still, please find my latest post that I am stating Federer is the > > goat. > > > > You are failing miserably btw. > > -- > > > > > > ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > > https://piaohong.s3-us-
west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html> LOL, you are one slippery eel. > > Ok, answer these questions: > > Is Djokovic or Federer the GOAT? Or, if you don't believe in the whole GOAT thing(as I don't), which player is the greatest player out of the Big
Three players and in what order would you rank them? > > I don't only see black and white, it's quite the contrary. I said Federer was my favorite player, the most talented and stylish player of all time for me but his records have been eclipsed by
Djokovic and thus Djokovic is greater. > > Djokovic and Federer also played against each other for over a decade and they've played more matches against each other than any other players in the Open Era so it's easy to determine who was better. That's it.
It's pretty easy to look at all the factors and come to that conclusion unless you're a fan who lives vicariously through a player.yes you were a YUGE Fedfan when he was #1 and winning stuff and he was "good looking/cute", then you became a YUGE Nadal
fan when he started winning stuff and was #1 and he went from being a neanderthal to being "cute"(which really annoyed Dave), now you're a YUGE Djoker fan and he's "cute" when he gets angry and points to his ear<wink>, yes!



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On Monday, 20 November 2023 at 09:10:11 UTC, *skriptis wrote:

The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On Sunday, 19 November 2023 at 00:03:03 UTC, *skriptis wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> > Every player wants to win the slam race... > > > Yeah, the fans too. E.g. I too would love to win the slam race.> > but the amount

of obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this goal is what Nadal was talking about.> Obsession is a bad word for focus. Why don't you say Djokovic is focused? > > > And what are Djokovic's sacrifices? > > > Family? > He had kids first
time in 2014, Nadal in 2022. > So who postponed having family to the near end of his career? > > Body and injuries? > Djokovic wasted nearly 2 years by dealing with issues before opting for a minor surgery because he's unwilling to mess with his body.
Right or wrong he was rather conservative in his approach. Obsessed man would do stuff sooner. > > He was also willing to forego slam chase altogether if the price was bodily submission to pharmaceutical mafia. Remember that? > > Does that not prove he
was not (as) obsessed with slam race and has had other, even higher ideals and motivations? Whether you agree with them or not he proved slams come 2nd to him at least in that situation so you can tone it down with "obsession". > > > Meanwhile Nadal has
long history of doing all sorts of procedures to come back to tennis and on court, to solve injuries and that's considered heroics, I agree it is, but think for a moment who's risking his health, pushing his body and who should be considered more
obsessed of the two if anyone? > > > > I told you, it's sour grapes to try to comment what Nadal tried. He's not the one to explain "Djokovic's mind" to us. He can talk about himself and that's it. > > He gains nothing.> > You are so fascinated by the
transformation you have had when you concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, and you view this transformation as something magical that has to be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone should believe in this
holy book while you are the messenger for the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with you.Does this seem right?> The margins are thin between the big three, but he's preserved his body better than them, won couple of close matches vs
them, and so he has reaped rewards in terms of winning more slams. > > Just like tennis scoring, e.g. 51% points won is not much of a difference but it gives you solid 64 64 win, rather comfortable on scoreboard.yes, have to say these are good points,
the vax one kind of proves it. Although some of ops Nadal has had were necessary due to his body eg. his feet aren't naturally right as Djoker's are, some of that is really Djoker's strategy is/was better - he looked a long-term rather Nadal took the
quicker fix route.

Sure, no disrespect for Nadal and him willing to suffer on court, carry on with injuries and so on. We love such attitude.

Just saying, both him and his fans glorify Nadal for stuff like playing tennis with dead nerves in his foot and so on.

He's glorified as a "fighter", and not as someone willing to sacrifice his body for a bit of sucesss?

Which you could easily do if you wanted to bash him.

Djokovic otoh hasn't even approached that kind of level of being willing to mutilate himself on court.

Yet he's the obsessed one?

think Djoker was mentally obsessed with beating Fed and Nadal much more than Nadal in those terms. To explain, Nadal always wanted to beat Fed but wouldn't say it was to the same obsessive level as Djoker wanting to beat Nadal, good comparison is Serena'
s obsession with Sharapova. If Nadal's obsession had been the same he would've won the 2017 AO and prob would've beaten Djoker at Wimbledon 2018 too as a result. Would say Nadal's obsession was holding the FO title, that was the same level as Djoker and
why he smashed him so many times there, the only times Djoker won was when Nadal wasn't really up for it.

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On Monday, 20 November 2023 at 00:44:59 UTC, Court_1 wrote:

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 2:30:45 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 Wrote in message:r

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 12:45:08 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 <> Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 6:17:00 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court Wrote in message:r > > On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:37:

09 AM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 Wrote in message:r> > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5,
Shakes wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny.
:) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that
can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > > > > that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > :) > > > > -- > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over
Becker. :) > > > I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak.The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! The
truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with his
bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is to you. In
the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better than you!
Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he wants every record
and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts. > How many times did Nadal produce what you describe as BS excuses? Nadal has used his injury excuses
throughout his career. Are you serious?> I have seen only one interview where he was asked certain > questions and he answered that Djokovic wanted the GOAT title > more than him. Was there other occasions that he talked about > this? Well, you're not
keeping up. There have been multiple occasions where Nadal got his digs in and claimed only Djokovic was obsessed with the slam race. Of course Djokovic is obsessed with the slam race. Why else would he get out of bed and train everyday like a madman?
However, Nadal and Federer were also obsessed with the slam race. Nadal has said numerous times in the past that he wanted to win the slam race. He never had this sour grapes mentality when he was well ahead of Djokovic in their head to head, did he?
Nope, then it was all lovey-dovey. Now that he's been Djokovic's pet poodle project off clay for a decade, he sings a different tune. It just comes off as sour grapes to me.Before Federer retired, he had Rolex do that awful commercial where it said
numbers weren't everything. That was a bad judgement call as well IMO. Look, these guys are rivals and they all wanted to win the slam race. Nadal thought he had the sole key to the kingdom but he was mistaken and now his comments just come off as
resentment. > Honestly, it makes sense to say nothing even if he felt he needed > to say something to avoid criticism like yours. > > But the question is why isn't it possible that he could be telling > the truth about himself and in the same time
describing the real > Novak as he has been sharing a career with him?He's not telling the truth though as he stated in no uncertain terms many times in the past that he wanted the slam record. But, he and his PR team created the humble guy persona for
Nadal. He was following the script well but the mask has slipped off a few times especially in the past few years.Whether or not Djokovic is Adolf Hitler the second or not is of no consequence really. It doesn't matter if the Big Three despise each other.
When one player has surpassed the others, saying anything other than "too good" comes off poorly IMO. > Every player wants to win the slam race, but the amount of > obsession and sacrifices that they want to put to achieve this > goal is what Nadal was
talking about. And if that's what he was really talking about, it's ridiculous. As I said, he certainly cared about the slam race when he was the closest one to Federer and looked sure to have sole keys to the kingdom. He clearly didn't anticipate
Djokovic stealing his thunder. IMO, all Big Three players CLEARLY wanted the slam record and admitted as such in the past. All were super motivated to achieve that goal. It's preposterous to claim Djokovic was more obsessed than the other two IMO. As I
said, it just comes off as sour grapes from The Bull.> > You are so fascinated by the transformation you have had when you > concluded that Djokovic is absolutely better than everyone else, > and you view this transformation as something magical that has
to > be documented and recognized as the absolute truth and everyone > should believe in this holy book while you are the messenger for > the new cult that is punishing anyone that doesn't agree with > you. > > Does this seem right?There's no
transformation on my part. Federer will always be my favorite player(along with Borg). Djokovic breaking all the records doesn't change that but I'm sure as hell not stupid enough to drink Fedal kool-aid when every single tangible record tells me that
Djokovic has surpassed them. It's not rocket science. That's why I said earlier, when new evidence comes in that is rock solid, it's inane to keep on parroting, Federer is the greatest. He isn't and that's ok to any fan who doesn't have an abnormal
attachment to him. That eliminates you. ;) > > You are the one that is too affixed to Djokovic's goatness and > want to make sure everyone pledges allegiance to your > beliefs. > > BTW, I am curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the >
greatest? I am sure you know the answer.Ha, ha! Give me a break would you? Pretty much every one of your posts is an attempt to come up with any inane narrative to keep Federer as the greatest of all time(i.e. Federer was old at 27, he had mono, SARS,
and typhoid fever and couldn't compete properly, he had to play goat players five years younger, etc) and to devalue every other goat level player. The problem is, all of those theories are vapid attempts to cling to something that doesn't exist because
we have the actual records and stats to give us the proper answer. It's really very simple. As I said, Federer will always be my favorite player but I'm not emotionally attached to him in a way that is unhealthy and doesn't allow for objective evidence
to come into play. Carry on.

This is your mind that is capable of seeing black and white only,
and is incapable of understanding what is happening in
between.

Still, please find my latest post that I am stating Federer is the
goat.

You are failing miserably btw.
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LOL, you are one slippery eel.

Ok, answer these questions:

Is Djokovic or Federer the GOAT? Or, if you don't believe in the whole GOAT thing(as I don't), which player is the greatest player out of the Big Three players and in what order would you rank them?

I don't only see black and white, it's quite the contrary. I said Federer was my favorite player, the most talented and stylish player of all time for me but his records have been eclipsed by Djokovic and thus Djokovic is greater.

Djokovic and Federer also played against each other for over a decade and they've played more matches against each other than any other players in the Open Era so it's easy to determine who was better. That's it. It's pretty easy to look at all the

factors and come to that conclusion unless you're a fan who lives vicariously through a player.

yes you were a YUGE Fedfan when he was #1 and winning stuff and he was "good looking/cute", then you became a YUGE Nadal fan when he started winning stuff and was #1 and he went from being a neanderthal to being "cute"(which really annoyed Dave), now you'
re a YUGE Djoker fan and he's "cute" when he gets angry and points to his ear<wink>, yes!

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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:> BTW, I am

curious when was my latest post saying Federer is the greatest? I am
sure you know the answer.You may have not done it by saying it openly,
but it's enough to belittle Djokovic's current opponents, which is
what you do.If not belittle them, then at best, you're claiming
they're too young.Agassi and Sampras won YEC at 20, Becker and
Djokovic at 21, but Alcaraz who is a multiple slam champion is somehow
"too young at 20".He may not have tons of experience of a tour
veteran, but no 20-year old player can have that. So what's the
point?It's his obstacle that he needs to overcome, just as the older
guy has his obstacles, ie weaker body and so on.Have you argued Nadal
was too young and inexperienced when he lost to Federer in his first
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You are twisting others' posts in certain topics to bring them in
your own created discussion in different topics.

Let court handle herself, she is a big girl.

Come on now, we all know you'd happily gobble down Fed's excrement like
kebabs, quaff his urine like a nice helba tea. Then follow it up by
gargling his semen like mouthwash and flossing your teeth with his anus
hairs.

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On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 3:44:00 AM UTC-5, The Iceberg wrote:

On Saturday, 18 November 2023 at 06:01:56 UTC, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Court_1 Wrote in message:r

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Court_1 > Wrote in message:r > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:22 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:51:08 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > On

Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:34:44 PM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote: > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-8, Court_1 wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 4:24:49 PM UTC-5, Shakes wrote: > > > > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 8:47:
39 AM UTC-8, PeteWasLucky wrote: > > > > > > Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r > > > > > > >People were talking after the USO loss as if Alcarez would never beat Medvedev again. Pretty funny. :) Looking forward now to the Alcaraz-Djokovic
clash and hope it lives up to expectations. Even Court 1 will be able to watch, since this is the only matchup in all of tennisdom she finds worthy of her time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Court will watch any one that can defeat the pipe cleaner even if > >

that player is Boris wearing Rune's mother's eyelashes > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Becker or Djok ? Oh man, very tough choice for Court_1 as to whom she dislikes more. But I think she would pick anybody over Becker. :) > > > > >

I'd pick Djokovic over Becker every day and twice on Sunday. > > > So there it is--you finally admit it. I've always known you were secretly in love with Novak. > > The question was which player do I despise more. The answer was easy: Boris! > > > >

The truth is I don't mind Djokovic. I've come to accept who he is or rather who he projects to the world that he is(we obviously don't know the real person.) I actually prefer him over Nadal these days. Nadal has been so passive aggressive lately with
his bitter comments and the 20 years of injury BS from him is too much with his, "if I wasn't injured I would have won 82 slams!" > > > > If you're listening Nadal: Stop with the BS excuses with regards to the slam race and how unimportant it suddenly is
to you. In the past, you admitted that you wanted the slam race! You thought you'd slide easily into 1st place and you misjudged Djokovic but he's owned you off clay for a decade! So, stop with the passive aggressive comments and accept that he's better
than you! > > > > Gracchus, I think you've come to like Nadal more and dislike Djokovic more. I'm the opposite. I can't stand the fake humbleness from Nadal. He should just admit that he wanted to rip his rivals eyes out! At least Pipe Cleaner admits he
wants every record and with that an implicit recognition that he wouldn't be content until he reached into Nadal and Federer's chest cavities and cut out their hearts.> I don't mind Djokovic wanting to win anything and everything or wanting to exceed
everyone else in achievements. That's a quality I admire, especially since he has oodles of money and could be spending every day nightclubbing and enjoying orgies on his super yacht. Instead, he chooses to extend the rigors of touring and tuning an
aging body for as long as possible to remain at the pinnacle. Re the nightclubbing and enjoying orgies, I doubt his ambitions preclude him from playing around. From what I understand, his reputation is legendary when it comes to enjoying the company of
women not his wife(allegedly of course!)As for the general sentiment of your paragraph above, I agree 100%. It's amazing how disciplined he's been since 2011 and the most astounding part is he had to fend off the other two goats to do it. I guess that's
a big part of what motivated him. > But for me, "the ear" is reason alone to want him to lose every match. He's the player who started "love me, love me more" with the crowds. The thin-skinned and forever needy one who taunts audience members for
applauding opponents, and mocks outclassed opponents for simply trying to win. His persona carries over to his entourage's sleazy, thuggish vibe. And speaking of phoniness, him assuming the role of tour elder statesman and compassionate big brother--
always *after* winning--is a joke. Yes, I agree. The thin-skinned Djokovic who has a pathological need to be loved has been nauseating. His camp is definitely sleazy(from his parents to Goran.) As for his phoniness, I think he had to try and temper
himself as much as possible due to big sponsorships and also to respect Fedal who were more beloved by fans. I notice since Fedal have been absent and Djokovic has broken their records, he's letting more of his true nature and feelings come out. Nadal
needs to follow Djokovic's lead in that respect. You didn't comment on your apparent shift from hating the clay pig and tolerating the thug Serb to accepting the clay pig and reviling the thug Serb! Don't you think some of Nadal's more recent comments
about the goat race and his desire to lead the slam race have been ridiculous and extremely disingenuous? > So the bottom line is, while I appreciate his accomplishments and quest for perfection, I'll never be a fan even if he ends up winning 30 slams. I
think he'll have the edge in tomorrow's match, but I'm rooting for Alkie. You can cheer for the loathsome Serb if that's your preference. ;)I'm not a fan either but I've accepted the order of things. Two different things.As for which players I want to
win the tournament, it would be nice to see Alcaraz or Sinner winning it and if they do win it, perhaps they can then carry their winning ways vs Pipe Cleaner to the slams? I mean, how long do we have to wait? *rolls eyes* > > It seems you never got
convinced when Gracchus confirmed to you > his love and loyalty to Novak two months ago because your efforts > to enlist him in your Jehovah's club never faded.When did Gracchus confirm his love and loyalty to Novak? He did nothing of the sort.I just
find it interesting that he absolutely despised Nadal for years and didn't have much of a problem with Novak. Now it seems the reverse has occurred. But that's part of life. We grow and change our opinions with the passage of time.

Hilarious :)

it very funny, but she did this with Nadal, remember before him it was Fed, but she now taken down her Nadal poster and put up a big poster of Djoker on her bedroom wall :D

I never preferred Nadal over Federer! Stop making things up!

Here is my trajectory:

Always loved Federer. There's no player(past or present) I enjoy watching more than Federer.

Disliked Nadal when he first came on the scene especially when he was beating prime Federer in too many tournaments.

After Wimbledon 2008, I started to accept Nadal. He had balls and took it to the beloved Federer and his never give up attitude was inspiring. I was a Fedal fan(and still am) and never liked Djokovic. I would root against Djokovic every time he played
Federer or Nadal.

I still like Nadal but in the past couple of years, I've seen another side of him, a side which is the polar opposite of his whole humble and always nice persona IMO. I could never stand all of his "injury" talk and in the last little while, it's gotten
on my last nerve. His passive aggressive comments also don't do him any favors. But, I do like him and of course, he's the ultimate champion.

Re Djokovic these days, I'm ambivalent about him. I can't stomach many of his out there ideas and I find his entire family and team classless. However, I've accepted that he's an incomparable champion. His discipline, motivation and ambition is something
to be admired. His on court antics which I used to detest, don't even bother me anymore or at least most of them don't. I just laugh now.
,
The only thing constant is change. If you don't change when new facts are presented, it isn't healthy IMO. But Federer is still numero uno for me. With Nadal and Djokovic, I guess it depends on the day as to which one I'm preferring. There's absolutely
no doubt however that I think Djokovic is the superior player to Fedal. No hesitation with that conclusion. The stats speak for themselves.

P.S. Gracchus won't admit it but he's clearly changed his whole stance on Nadal and Djokovic. He used to despise Nadal and called him every derogatory name in the book. Today, he seems to be directing more of his ire towards Pipe Cleaner.
How about Pelle? How many favorite players has he gone through? He used to despise Federer and love Nadal. Now, I think he hates Nadal, tolerates Federer and adores Pipe Cleaner.

Iceberg, you're a baboon so undoubtedly, you can't understand the swings of human emotions.😁

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