• Re:Nadal will face Zverev in RG 2024

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Thu May 23 18:47:23 2024
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    Hello there!The Roland Garros 2024 Men's Singles Drawis out. Nadal will face Zverev right awayin the first round. That is a match I donot want to miss!br,KK



    If this is true, God is amazing.


    Zverev will likely beat Nadal and do the thing that he was prevented from doing 2 years ago by a nasty injury. Beat Nadal at FO.

    Not that I'm cheering for it. For what we know, Nadal can win too.

    But if Zverev wins, it will indeed feel like a complete closure.

    Like Darth Vader slaying the Emperor in Episode VI, after not doing it in Episode III as Anakin.


    OTOH, if Nadal wins he takes Zverev's seeded spot in the draw, he'll get couple of easier rounds then and he could improve his form and be dangerous in latter stages and win it.

    I always said, Nadal is bound to win couple of FOs by playing tight matches, 5 setters in the finals and on the way to the finals.

    It's surreal that he won almost all of his 14 with utter ease (score wise at least).

    Maybe now's the time for some tough tournaments and tough won titles?

    Winning FO "just as other mortals win it".

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 16:31:40 2024
    Hello there!

    The Roland Garros 2024 Men's Singles Draw
    is out. Nadal will face Zverev right away
    in the first round. That is a match I do
    not want to miss!

    br,
    KK

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 23 20:50:49 2024
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 24 20:29:21 2024
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 24 20:26:55 2024
    On 24/05/2024 2:47 am, *skriptis wrote:
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    Hello there!The Roland Garros 2024 Men's Singles Drawis out. Nadal will face Zverev right awayin the first round. That is a match I donot want to miss!br,KK



    If this is true, God is amazing.


    Zverev will likely beat Nadal and do the thing that he was prevented from doing 2 years ago by a nasty injury. Beat Nadal at FO.

    Not that I'm cheering for it. For what we know, Nadal can win too.

    But if Zverev wins, it will indeed feel like a complete closure.

    Like Darth Vader slaying the Emperor in Episode VI, after not doing it in Episode III as Anakin.


    OTOH, if Nadal wins he takes Zverev's seeded spot in the draw, he'll get couple of easier rounds then and he could improve his form and be dangerous in latter stages and win it.

    I always said, Nadal is bound to win couple of FOs by playing tight matches, 5 setters in the finals and on the way to the finals.

    It's surreal that he won almost all of his 14 with utter ease (score wise at least).

    Maybe now's the time for some tough tournaments and tough won titles?

    Winning FO "just as other mortals win it".




    On the one hand I agree it looked like Nadal was in a lot of trouble in
    that 2022 match v Zverev, barely won the 1st set in a t/b after saving
    at least 1 set point, and overall battling away for 3.5 hours until the
    Zverev injury. He appeared to be tiring. But he's appeared that way
    many times.

    But on the other hand Nadal won 1st set and they were just starting the tie-break in 2nd set. This is FO and it's Nadal. Very likely he would
    have been up 76 76 and won. We'll never know for sure, but Zverev was
    also known for choking so...... nothing to see here?

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 24 20:32:23 2024
    On 24/05/2024 11:50 am, Scall5 wrote:
    On 5/23/2024 3:10 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> Wrote in message:r

    Zverev looked good last time they played in the FO but it was one
      of these matches that Nadal's opponents looked to be playing good
      but there was no doubts in the results and Nadal wins
      it.

    Has Nadal commented on this draw? I wonder if he is thinking about
    pulling out.


    I'm sure he'd be considering it. Not much legacy value losing 61 63 64
    to Zverev 1st round? Much better to know he won FO last time he
    entered, departing FO in the best possible way as champion for 14th time.

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri May 24 15:04:19 2024
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    On 24/05/2024 2:47 am, *skriptis wrote:> kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r>> Hello there!The Roland Garros 2024 Men's Singles Drawis out. Nadal will face Zverev right awayin the first round. That is a match I donot want to miss!
    br,KK> > > > If this is true, God is amazing.> > > Zverev will likely beat Nadal and do the thing that he was prevented from doing 2 years ago by a nasty injury. Beat Nadal at FO.> > Not that I'm cheering for it. For what we know, Nadal can win too.> >
    But if Zverev wins, it will indeed feel like a complete closure.> > Like Darth Vader slaying the Emperor in Episode VI, after not doing it in Episode III as Anakin.> > > OTOH, if Nadal wins he takes Zverev's seeded spot in the draw, he'll get couple of
    easier rounds then and he could improve his form and be dangerous in latter stages and win it.> > I always said, Nadal is bound to win couple of FOs by playing tight matches, 5 setters in the finals and on the way to the finals.> > It's surreal that he
    won almost all of his 14 with utter ease (score wise at least).> > Maybe now's the time for some tough tournaments and tough won titles?> > Winning FO "just as other mortals win it".> On the one hand I agree it looked like Nadal was in a lot of trouble
    in that 2022 match v Zverev, barely won the 1st set in a t/b after saving at least 1 set point, and overall battling away for 3.5 hours until the Zverev injury. He appeared to be tiring. But he's appeared that way many times.But on the other hand Nadal
    won 1st set and they were just starting the tie-break in 2nd set. This is FO and it's Nadal. Very likely he would have been up 76 76 and won. We'll never know for sure, but Zverev was also known for choking so...... nothing to see here?



    Not much to say really. We all know who is Nadal and what is he at the FO.


    But in retrospect, we now know that it was his last slam SF that he played, even though he reached Wimbledon semi after that he didn't play it.

    So he was running on fumes as you say.
    Last push.

    We know for sure that his physical reserves were low.

    And we saw Zverev and that he seemed to have embraced the challenge. I tend to think he would not have choked, he served big, covered the court well, and played bravely.

    If there was a moment for Zverev, that was it. Doesn't mean he would have done it. But youth was his ally.



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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri May 24 16:18:28 2024
    On 24.5.2024 13.26, Whisper wrote:
    On 24/05/2024 2:47 am, *skriptis wrote:
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) Wrote in message:r
    Hello there!The Roland Garros 2024 Men's Singles Drawis out. Nadal
    will face Zverev right awayin the first round. That is a match I
    donot want to miss!br,KK



    If this is true, God is amazing.


    Zverev will likely beat Nadal and do the thing that he was prevented
    from doing 2 years ago by a nasty injury. Beat Nadal at FO.

    Not that I'm cheering for it. For what we know, Nadal can win too.

    But if Zverev wins, it will indeed feel like a complete closure.

    Like Darth Vader slaying the Emperor in Episode VI, after not doing it
    in Episode III as Anakin.


    OTOH, if Nadal wins he takes Zverev's seeded spot in the draw, he'll
    get couple of easier rounds then and he could improve his form and be
    dangerous in latter stages and win it.

    I always said, Nadal is bound to win couple of FOs by playing tight
    matches, 5 setters in the finals and on the way to the finals.

    It's surreal that he won almost all of his 14 with utter ease (score
    wise at least).

    Maybe now's the time for some tough tournaments and tough won titles?

    Winning FO "just as other mortals win it".




    On the one hand I agree it looked like Nadal was in a lot of trouble in
    that 2022 match v Zverev, barely won the 1st set in a t/b after saving
    at least 1 set point, and overall battling away for 3.5 hours until the Zverev injury.  He appeared to be tiring.  But he's appeared that way
    many times.

    But on the other hand Nadal won 1st set and they were just starting the tie-break in 2nd set.  This is FO and it's Nadal.  Very likely he would have been up 76 76 and won.  We'll never know for sure, but Zverev was
    also known for choking so...... nothing to see here?

    I'm not sure I have seen him choke since. He didn't choke in the Nadal
    match, IIRC. Then had the twisted ankle and caught diabetes. Maybe he
    decided life's too short to spent worrying. Watching the Rome final, I
    was secretly waiting for the seizures to come. But "if" never came. He
    served one DF in that match, and that was possibly the only blemish in
    his game that day. Hope he can keep that up.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 01:37:27 2024
    On 24/05/2024 11:18 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 24.5.2024 13.26, Whisper wrote:



    On the one hand I agree it looked like Nadal was in a lot of trouble
    in that 2022 match v Zverev, barely won the 1st set in a t/b after
    saving at least 1 set point, and overall battling away for 3.5 hours
    until the Zverev injury.  He appeared to be tiring.  But he's appeared
    that way many times.

    But on the other hand Nadal won 1st set and they were just starting
    the tie-break in 2nd set.  This is FO and it's Nadal.  Very likely he
    would have been up 76 76 and won.  We'll never know for sure, but
    Zverev was also known for choking so...... nothing to see here?

    I'm not sure I have seen him choke since. He didn't choke in the Nadal
    match, IIRC. Then had the twisted ankle and caught diabetes. Maybe he
    decided life's too short to spent worrying. Watching the Rome final, I
    was secretly waiting for the seizures to come. But "if" never came. He
    served one DF in that match, and that was possibly the only blemish in
    his game that day. Hope he can keep that up.



    He's certainly very warm fave to beat Nadal. If Nadal somehow does win
    I think he'll have nothing left and possibly withdraw. Right now it
    feels like there's a strong possibility he'll withdraw without hitting a
    ball.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Whisper on Fri May 24 20:02:12 2024
    On 5/24/2024 10:37 AM, Whisper wrote:
    On 24/05/2024 11:18 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
    On 24.5.2024 13.26, Whisper wrote:



    On the one hand I agree it looked like Nadal was in a lot of trouble
    in that 2022 match v Zverev, barely won the 1st set in a t/b after
    saving at least 1 set point, and overall battling away for 3.5 hours
    until the Zverev injury.  He appeared to be tiring.  But he's
    appeared that way many times.

    But on the other hand Nadal won 1st set and they were just starting
    the tie-break in 2nd set.  This is FO and it's Nadal.  Very likely he
    would have been up 76 76 and won.  We'll never know for sure, but
    Zverev was also known for choking so...... nothing to see here?

    I'm not sure I have seen him choke since. He didn't choke in the Nadal
    match, IIRC. Then had the twisted ankle and caught diabetes. Maybe he
    decided life's too short to spent worrying. Watching the Rome final, I
    was secretly waiting for the seizures to come. But "if" never came. He
    served one DF in that match, and that was possibly the only blemish in
    his game that day. Hope he can keep that up.



    He's certainly very warm fave to beat Nadal.  If Nadal somehow does win
    I think he'll have nothing left and possibly withdraw. Right now it
    feels like there's a strong possibility he'll withdraw without hitting a ball.

    *IF* Nadal beats Zverev and then withdraws due to an injury (real or
    fatigue); that would be a piss-poor way to end his HOF career at Roland
    Garros. At least TRY against his next (2nd) round opponent.

    Try to win although there is little chance that one will. That's what
    Agassi did at the US Open when he retired. And he received a hero's send
    off...
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 18:08:05 2024
    On 25/05/2024 11:02 am, Scall5 wrote:
    On 5/24/2024 10:37 AM, Whisper wrote:
    On 24/05/2024 11:18 pm, Pelle Svanslös wrote:


    He's certainly very warm fave to beat Nadal.  If Nadal somehow does
    win I think he'll have nothing left and possibly withdraw. Right now
    it feels like there's a strong possibility he'll withdraw without
    hitting a ball.

    *IF* Nadal beats Zverev and then withdraws due to an injury (real or fatigue); that would be a piss-poor way to end his HOF career at Roland Garros. At least TRY against his next (2nd) round opponent.

    Try to win although there is little chance that one will. That's what
    Agassi did at the US Open when he retired. And he received a hero's send off...


    I agree if he's assessed his chances of winning at say 5% and the rest
    is 'in god's hands' as he said, then yes just fight like hell until the
    last point no matter the score or the opponent. However if he's visibly limping, like Alcaraz v Novak in last FO semi, then it is pathetic to
    watch so what's the value in playing on, losing 6-0 sets in 12 minutes?

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