• THE UNBEARABLE GREATNESS OF DJOKOVIC

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 15:53:45 2024
    For a long time I resisted the notion that Djokovic could ever be the
    equal of Federer and Nadal. But as the years passed and the Serb’s
    trophies piled up, my arguments on behalf of the Swiss and the Spaniard
    have had to become more and more sophistic. I may finally have run out
    of arguments. But I’ll make one final attempt.

    In that 2019 Wimbledon final, Federer outplayed Djokovic for much of the
    match, and he actually won more points than Djokovic did. But tennis
    scoring, like the Electoral College, allows the person who does the most winning to lose. And, like the 2016 election, this raises tantalizing counterfactuals: But for three points—one each in 2010 (another U.S.
    Open semifinal in which Djokovic fought off two match points to upset
    Federer), 2011, and 2019—Federer might now have 23 Grand Slam titles and Djokovic only 22, and the complexion of the argument over the Greatest
    Player of All Time would look different.

    Yet I confess that if my life depended on a single point of tennis and I
    had to pick a pro in his prime to play it for me, I might select
    Djokovic as my champion. Because had Djokovic not been banned from two
    Grand Slams for being unvaccinated against COVID, and disqualified from
    another for pegging that line judge in the throat, he might well have 27
    Grand Slam titles. (Such is the role of contingency and luck in the
    unfolding of sports narratives, as in life.)

    So, okay, I (grudgingly) acknowledge Djokovic’s greatness. But that
    doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy watching him lose, or that I want his reign
    of dominance to extend any longer.

    I, and millions of others around the world, would swoon if Nadal were to somehow magically win his 15th French Open. But as the tournament
    begins, my main hope is that Djokovic does not win it. And, for the
    first time in years, my expectation is that he won’t.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/05/novac-djokovic-unlikeable-tennis-player/678470/

    A terribly long article. Probably written by one of Courtsie's nom de
    plumes. Likening the EC with the Wimbledon 2019 final is a new argument.
    But a good one. Tennis scoring is faulty in the same way the EC is faulty.

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Wed May 29 16:01:27 2024
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    [...] as the tournament begins, my main hope is
    that Djokovic does not win it. And, for the
    first time in years, my expectation is that
    he won’t.

    Djoker vs Pierre-Hugues Herbert went 6-4, 7-6,
    6-4. That is simply a terrible result for
    Djoker. Let's think about it for a while.

    Herbert was once a superb doubles player and
    he has won all four Grand Slam tournaments
    with his partner Nicholas Mahut. Even so,
    that was a long time ago, and as a singles
    player, Herbert's ranking is now 142 if I
    remember right.

    All in all, Herbert is not a good singles
    player by any means, and yet he played a
    pretty damn close match against Djoker!

    Honestly I did not bother to watch the
    match as I expected Djoker to crush
    Herbert with something like 6-1, 6-2, 6-1.

    It is true that Djoker is often rusty
    in the early rounds of big tournaments,
    but I have to agree with Pelle here.

    I am almost 100% sure that Djoker will not
    win RG 2024. Please remember that his
    recent results in pre-RG tournaments were
    not that great either. He needs to improve
    big time if he is going to make it!

    br,
    KK

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to Kalevi Kolttonen on Wed May 29 20:40:05 2024
    On 29.5.2024 19.01, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    [...] as the tournament begins, my main hope is
    that Djokovic does not win it. And, for the
    first time in years, my expectation is that
    he won’t.

    Djoker vs Pierre-Hugues Herbert went 6-4, 7-6,
    6-4. That is simply a terrible result for
    Djoker. Let's think about it for a while.

    Herbert was once a superb doubles player and
    he has won all four Grand Slam tournaments
    with his partner Nicholas Mahut. Even so,
    that was a long time ago, and as a singles
    player, Herbert's ranking is now 142 if I
    remember right.

    All in all, Herbert is not a good singles
    player by any means, and yet he played a
    pretty damn close match against Djoker!

    Honestly I did not bother to watch the
    match as I expected Djoker to crush
    Herbert with something like 6-1, 6-2, 6-1.

    It is true that Djoker is often rusty
    in the early rounds of big tournaments,
    but I have to agree with Pelle here.

    What you quoted is written by somebody in The Atlantic ...

    I am almost 100% sure that Djoker will not
    win RG 2024. Please remember that his
    recent results in pre-RG tournaments were
    not that great either. He needs to improve
    big time if he is going to make it!

    ... but as it happens, I don't think Djok will win this one either. I
    suspect the flame is flickering. Not unlike Borg's retirement causing
    McEnroe to lose interest, Rafa's never ending farewell tour seems to
    have taken the air out of Djok. "Hmmm. How will I outdo Rafa's
    retirement tour?"

    Vamos brave Naomi!

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to pelle@svans.los on Wed May 29 19:01:46 2024
    Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    ... but as it happens, I don't think Djok will win this one either. I
    suspect the flame is flickering. Not unlike Borg's retirement causing
    McEnroe to lose interest, Rafa's never ending farewell tour seems to
    have taken the air out of Djok. "Hmmm. How will I outdo Rafa's
    retirement tour?"

    I do not know whether Rafa's actions have
    any effect on Djoker's game. They definitely
    should not if Djoker has any mental strength.

    I am guessing that maybe it's just that Djoker
    is starting to feel his age. Like all of us,
    he is getting older and older which means that
    his game will get worse even though Djoker
    says that he benefits from the years of experience
    on the tour.

    Vamos brave Naomi!

    It was a good effort, but in the end Iga
    was too strong.

    br,
    KK

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