On 8/06/2024 2:52 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks, everything...

It was an ugly match to watch 1st 3 or 4 sets - set 3 especially.

Carlos youngest man ever to reach 3 slam finals on 3 different surfaces.

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On 7.6.2024 19.55, Whisper wrote:

On 8/06/2024 2:52 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

It was an ugly match to watch 1st 3 or 4 sets - set 3 especially.

Carlos youngest man ever to reach 3 slam finals on 3 different surfaces.

That is amazing. Shows how versatile he is. Hard to see Alcatraz losing
the final now.

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Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 20.17:

Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

That is amazing. Shows how versatile he is. Hard
to see Alcatraz losing the final now.

Alcatraz cannot lose the final because he is not
playing on Sunday. Alcaraz is. Please show some
respect towards a great player and learn to spell
his name properly!

br,
KK

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Sawfish kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 20.28:

On 6/7/24 10:18 AM, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

Hi there,

Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him
winning RG... and Wimbledon...

From watching today's match it looked like...

If each player had a mid-range base line of shot/tactical quality--their
most common level of play (A), and then had a higher level (B), and a
lower level (C), and each player's game was broken into what percentage
their game to day was, it seemed like Alcaraz's A is higher than
Sinner's, his B is much higher than Sinner's B, and his C is lower than Sinner's C.

Alcaraz played at about 65% A level, 20% B level, and 15% C level.

Sinner played at about 85% A level, 10% B level, and 5% C level.

Hi Saw.
Yep, something like that. Alkie's problem is inconsistency & shot
selection while Sinner is pretty solid all-round... reminds me of
(aggressive) Murray... Should be golden at Wimbledon too, if fit.

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On 7.6.2024 20.17, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:

Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

That is amazing. Shows how versatile he is. Hard
to see Alcatraz losing the final now.

Alcatraz cannot lose the final because he is not
playing on Sunday. Alcaraz is. Please show some
respect towards a great player and learn to spell
his name properly!

Humour impaired much?

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

That is amazing. Shows how versatile he is. Hard
to see Alcatraz losing the final now.

Alcatraz cannot lose the final because he is not
playing on Sunday. Alcaraz is. Please show some
respect towards a great player and learn to spell
his name properly!

br,
KK

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PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks, everything...

Hi there,

Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him
winning RG... and Wimbledon...

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On 8/06/2024 3:14 am, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 7.6.2024 19.55, Whisper wrote:

On 8/06/2024 2:52 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

It was an ugly match to watch 1st 3 or 4 sets - set 3 especially.

Carlos youngest man ever to reach 3 slam finals on 3 different surfaces.

That is amazing. Shows how versatile he is. Hard to see Alcatraz losing
the final now.

Not as confident as you are. As good as Carlos is at his best he has
strong tendencies to fuck around and 'put on a show' for fans. Seasoned
pros like Zverev will take full advantage of this nonsense, as they
should. Also I think Carlos' arm is bothering him so hopefully that
doesn't play a role in the final. Zverev is sick of being bridesmaid in
slams so won't be overawed by the occasion at this stage of his career.
Carlos will have to bring it.

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On 8/06/2024 3:28 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 6/7/24 10:18 AM, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

Hi there,

Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him
winning RG... and Wimbledon...

From watching today's match it looked like...

If each player had a mid-range base line of shot/tactical quality--their
most common level of play (A), and then had a higher level (B), and a
lower level (C), and each player's game was broken into what percentage
their game to day was, it seemed like Alcaraz's A is higher than
Sinner's, his B is much higher than Sinner's B, and his C is lower than Sinner's C.

Alcaraz played at about 65% A level, 20% B level, and 15% C level.

Sinner played at about 85% A level, 10% B level, and 5% C level.

The match didn't meet the high expectations, but still interesting to
watch. The level got better in the 5th set, but Carlos had the lead
3-0, 4-1 and 5-2 so drama not that great.

Interesting that Sinner won more points. This is Carlos' best surface
and Sinner's worst so it's a good showing from Sinner. He'll be fave at Wimbledon unless Carlos can reach his very best form. Could happen, but
at this point Sinner is fave. Also Carlos better not fuck around too
much v Zverev, wouldn't be too surprised if Z wins.

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On 8/06/2024 10:06 am, The Iceberg wrote:

On 07/06/2024 18:38, TT wrote:

Sawfish kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 20.28:

Hi Saw.
Yep, something like that. Alkie's problem is inconsistency & shot
selection while Sinner is pretty solid all-round... reminds me of
(aggressive) Murray... Should be golden at Wimbledon too, if fit.

just got back to hear this! must've been an amazing come back. Might see Sinner at his best at Wimbledon now he's older, be amazing match if they
meet again there.

Sinner beat Carlos at Wimbledon a couple yrs ago, and lost to Novak last
2 Wimbledons. Led 2-0 in one of those. His game is well suited to
grass and he will be fave for sure.

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On 8/06/2024 3:18 am, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

Hi there,

Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him
winning RG... and Wimbledon...

I think Sinner will be fave for Wimbledon this year. I said this before
AO. Carlos should always be fave at FO.

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On 8.6.2024 12.40, Whisper wrote:

On 8/06/2024 3:28 am, Sawfish wrote:

On 6/7/24 10:18 AM, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

Hi there,

Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him
winning RG... and Wimbledon...

 From watching today's match it looked like...

If each player had a mid-range base line of shot/tactical
quality--their most common level of play (A), and then had a higher
level (B), and a lower level (C), and each player's game was broken
into what percentage their game to day was, it seemed like Alcaraz's A
is higher than Sinner's, his B is much higher than Sinner's B, and his
C is lower than Sinner's C.

Alcaraz played at about 65% A level, 20% B level, and 15% C level.

Sinner played at about 85% A level, 10% B level, and 5% C level.

The match didn't meet the high expectations, but still interesting to watch.  The level got better in the 5th set, but Carlos had the lead
3-0, 4-1 and 5-2 so drama not that great.

Some of these guys give these early breaks way too easy. This is
something "Winning Ugly" tells you not to do. In the first set, they
traded Christmas gifts like mad.

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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On 8.6.2024 12.33, Whisper wrote:

On 8/06/2024 3:14 am, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 7.6.2024 19.55, Whisper wrote:

On 8/06/2024 2:52 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

It was an ugly match to watch 1st 3 or 4 sets - set 3 especially.

Carlos youngest man ever to reach 3 slam finals on 3 different surfaces.

That is amazing. Shows how versatile he is. Hard to see Alcatraz
losing the final now.

Not as confident as you are.  As good as Carlos is at his best he has
strong tendencies to fuck around and 'put on a show' for fans.

Very true.

Seasoned
pros like Zverev will take full advantage of this nonsense, as they
should.

Z still has his DF heebie-jeebies. A bit of the resolve Swiatek has
would do these guys good.

Also I think Carlos' arm is bothering him so hopefully that
doesn't play a role in the final.

He did manage to raise his level against Sinner. Alcatraz is fine. He
better not pull the crutch routine after that.

Zverev is sick of being bridesmaid in
slams so won't be overawed by the occasion at this stage of his career.

Hope he won't. It would be great for tennis to have a new slam champ. Z,
if anybody, deserves his.

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Whisper kirjoitti 8.6.2024 klo 12.35:

On 8/06/2024 3:18 am, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

Hi there,

Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him
winning RG... and Wimbledon...

I think Sinner will be fave for Wimbledon this year.  I said this before
AO. Carlos should always be fave at FO.

Not so sure about that... I think Alkie is natural on grass and his game
fits superbly for the surface... Serve, volley, movement,
unpredictability etc.
But yes, Sinner as well should be strong on grass.

As for the RG final, Alkie is the favourite imo, and Zverev may be a
bridesmaid once again. But you never know... seems that often their
matches depend on which one starts the match stronger. Zverev may be the
bigger choker, too, so there's that... but he definitely has the game to trouble the Spaniard. Should be an exciting prob close match. If I had
to bet I'd put it on Carlos.

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TT kirjoitti 8.6.2024 klo 13.45:

Whisper kirjoitti 8.6.2024 klo 12.35:

On 8/06/2024 3:18 am, TT wrote:

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:

There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.
His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks,
everything...

Hi there,

Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him
winning RG... and Wimbledon...

I think Sinner will be fave for Wimbledon this year.  I said this
before AO. Carlos should always be fave at FO.

Not so sure about that... I think Alkie is natural on grass and his game
fits superbly for the surface... Serve, volley, movement,
unpredictability etc.
But yes, Sinner as well should be strong on grass.

As for the RG final, Alkie is the favourite imo, and Zverev may be a bridesmaid once again. But you never know... seems that often their
matches depend on which one starts the match stronger. Zverev may be the bigger choker, too, so there's that... but he definitely has the game to trouble the Spaniard. Should be an exciting prob close match. If I had
to bet I'd put it on Carlos.

But I don't bet, anymore. Just making a killing at the stock market. :)

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On 9/06/2024 12:49 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

On 8/06/2024 3:18 am, TT wrote:> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:>> There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.>> His maturity level, the moments he decides to take big risks, >> everything...>>>>> > Hi there,> > Yep, he's the most watchable

player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him > winning RG... and Wimbledon...I think Sinner will be fave for Wimbledon this year. I said this before AO. Carlos should always be fave at FO.

Alcaraz becomes more of the favorite on grass.

I think he'll be more invincible on clay than Wimbledon. Clay is a bit
slower so will be very hard to hit him off the court. Imo Carlos would
have beaten Novak in 4 sets last FO if not for cramps. I'm sure he'll
win more FO than Wimbledons in his career.

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On 9/06/2024 2:58 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

On 9/06/2024 12:49 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 8/06/2024 3:18 am, TT wrote:> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:>> There is no way you can't love Alcaraz.>> His maturity level, the moments

he decides to take big risks, >> everything...>>>>> > Hi there,> > Yep, he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him > winning RG... and Wimbledon...I think Sinner will be fave for Wimbledon this year. I said this before AO. Carlos
should always be fave at FO.> > Alcaraz becomes more of the favorite on grass.I think he'll be more invincible on clay than Wimbledon. Clay is a bit slower so will be very hard to hit him off the court. Imo Carlos would have beaten Novak in 4 sets last
FO if not for cramps. I'm sure he'll win more FO than Wimbledons in his career.

Alcaraz plays with his instincts, he doesn't follow a game plan,
he has no issues coming with variety of weird shots and is
capable of executing them. This makes him great on grass

Yes, but that can be a blessing and a curse. Nadal didn't have this
variety but was so supreme in his style it was impossible to find chinks
on clay. Carlos opens up chinks which top players can exploit on a good
day. Of course he can close those openings too, but if the timing is off
he'll lose matches he maybe shouldn't. We'll see how he evolves. I
doubt he'll be able to play his current explosive style for more than
4-5 yrs. Already has injuries from the extreme force he puts on his body.

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On 9.6.2024 12.10, Whisper wrote:

On 9/06/2024 2:58 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:

Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r

On 9/06/2024 12:49 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper
<whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>> On 8/06/2024 3:18 am,
TT wrote:> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 7.6.2024 klo 19.52:>> There is no
way you can't love Alcaraz.>> His maturity level, the moments he
decides to take big risks, >> everything...>>>>> > Hi there,> > Yep,
he's the most watchable player now for sure. Wouldn't mind him >
winning RG... and Wimbledon...I think Sinner will be fave for
Wimbledon this year.  I said this before AO. Carlos should always be
fave at FO.> > Alcaraz becomes more of the favorite on grass.I think
he'll be more invincible on clay than Wimbledon.  Clay is a bit
slower so will be very hard to hit him off the court.  Imo Carlos
would have beaten Novak in 4 sets last FO if not for cramps.  I'm
sure he'll win more FO than Wimbledons in his career.

Alcaraz plays with his instincts, he doesn't follow a game plan,
  he has no issues coming with variety of weird shots and is
  capable of executing them. This makes him great on grass

Yes, but that can be a blessing and a curse.  Nadal didn't have this
variety but was so supreme in his style it was impossible to find chinks
on clay.

If you can put a thousand moonballs in play on crutches, you're almost impossible to beat on clay. The rest is just window dressing.

The match against Zverev showed how averse Rafa is to anything else. He
did very well when he got Z stretching sideways. But doing that more
would have meant flattening the arc and going for more angles. Rafito
either is not consistent enough with that or does not like to do that.
Same thing really.

Carlos opens up chinks which top players can exploit on a good
day. Of course he can close those openings too, but if the timing is off he'll lose matches he maybe shouldn't.  We'll see how he evolves.

He did put more shape and spin (aka moonballed) against Sinner in the
final moments. I liked that. It's secure, and puts pressure on Sinner's
flatter game. This, with all the other options Alcatraz has (sheer
flattened power, droppies, S&V, ...) makes him the awesome player he is.
And a joy to watch. He's the most versatile player around. Tsi, a pet,
is the least.

Alctraz has been, and still is, a bit impetuous, but I think he is learning.

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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