• Re: Re:FO finals

    From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 9 22:09:54 2024
    Sawfish kirjoitti 9.6.2024 klo 21.26:
    On 6/9/24 11:01 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    I'd say that Alcaraz is better than Zverev at every aspect of the
    game when they are h2h, and in this match Alcaraz helped Zverev to
    stay in the match in the 3rd set, and from the middle of the 4th, all
    of the starch was gone from Zverev's game and his resolve had been
    surgically removed. His earlier tendency toward complaining and
    drag-assery is improved, but re-emerged during that part of the
    match. He became increasingly tentative in his shot selection.--
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    When your brain has many options and game has lots of varieties, this
    can be a problem specially at younger age.
    I was sure he will switch to play high percentage game in the fifth
    and he did and this shows his maturity at his age.

    I agree with this. What I'm noting, too, against Sinner and then Zverev,
    is that if he feels like he'd better begin to *think* a bit, he does,
    and this sorta snaps him back into a better focus.

    So what he did to Zverev was to convince that he could not win, making
    him less and less assertive. His *only* chance, beside either an Alcaraz
    gift or injury, was to go for his best winning shots. For him, these
    would be very thin shots near the lines.

    Sinner's response was different, I feel. It made Sinner press, and maybe force a bit too much.

    To me, Sinner is the better, more complete player, between Sinner and
    Zverev. Sinner could use a bit more physical strength--20lb ?--just to
    see if it would make the difference.

    I don't see who else is really *there* for the men's side. Ruud can be
    good, but not often enough. Rune has got to get over his head problems,
    and Tsitsi is hopeless, I think.


    I think what decided the final in the end was mental side... Zverev
    looked like it was the last place he'd wanna be in while Carlos looked
    like he was enjoying the challenge... and it showed in level of
    play/tight spots, especially during last set.

    Zverev just couldn't handle it mentally, too much baggage, too much
    trying, too nervous. Alcaraz had sort of less to lose, young and already
    slams under his belt. Zverev's USO Final probably played a role as well.

    Wasn't very high level final imo, although I think Carlos played quite
    good at least in the last set and executed some really fancy shots.

    Job well done, Alkie.

    This should be a nice stepping stone & confidence builder for the Wimbledon.

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  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Sun Jun 9 19:47:08 2024
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    I think what decided the final in the end was mental side... Zverev
    looked like it was the last place he'd wanna be in while Carlos looked
    like he was enjoying the challenge... and it showed in level of
    play/tight spots, especially during last set.

    Zverev just couldn't handle it mentally, too much baggage, too much
    trying, too nervous. Alcaraz had sort of less to lose, young and already slams under his belt. Zverev's USO Final probably played a role as well.

    Wasn't very high level final imo, although I think Carlos played quite
    good at least in the last set and executed some really fancy shots.

    Job well done, Alkie.

    This should be a nice stepping stone & confidence builder for the Wimbledon.

    I agree with all of that.

    Before the match began, I suspected that Zverev will
    be more nervous and more likely to choke simply because
    he had won no GS championships and Alcaraz already had
    won two.

    So Alcaraz had already proven that he is capable of
    handling the immense pressure of a GS final. Zverev,
    on the other hand, had bitter memories of losing to
    Dominic Thiem after being two sets to love up in
    the US Open Final. He was desperate to win here!

    Zverev played one horrible service game in the fifth
    set to practically gift Alcaraz an early break. I am
    not 100% sure but maybe it was at 1-1 when Zverev
    served.

    He missed two very easy volleys at the net to go
    down 0-30. After that he double faulted to make
    it 0-40. I guess he recovered to 15-40, but lost
    the next point and Alcaraz was up 2-1 with a break.

    It was a game where Zverev clearly choked, I think.

    br,
    KK

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 10 20:35:10 2024
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Jun 10 20:30:07 2024
    On 10/06/2024 4:26 am, Sawfish wrote:
    On 6/9/24 11:01 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

    Sinner's response was different, I feel. It made Sinner press, and maybe force a bit too much.

    To me, Sinner is the better, more complete player, between Sinner and
    Zverev. Sinner could use a bit more physical strength--20lb ?--just to
    see if it would make the difference.

    I don't see who else is really *there* for the men's side. Ruud can be
    good, but not often enough. Rune has got to get over his head problems,
    and Tsitsi is hopeless, I think.



    Rune definitely has the game, he's not too far away from being a serious
    slam contender. Musetti technically has the game to win a FO or 2, like Bruguera, but needs to peak when Carlos has an injury or upset loss.

    Apparently Carlos' 13 yr old brother looks to have the goods too, will
    have to check him out : )

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  • From undecided@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Jun 10 16:11:10 2024
    On 6/9/2024 1:42 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    I'd say that Alcaraz is better than Zverev at every aspect of the game
    when they are h2h, and in this match Alcaraz helped Zverev to stay in
    the match in the 3rd set, and from the middle of the 4th, all of the
    starch was gone from Zverev's game and his resolve had been surgically removed. His earlier tendency toward complaining and drag-assery is
    improved, but re-emerged during that part of the match. He became increasingly tentative in his shot selection.

    I thought Zverev was the better player and dictating play in sets 2,3
    and a good portion of set 4 but Alcaraz somehow won. I don't know how.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to undecided on Mon Jun 10 23:19:33 2024
    On 10.6.2024 23.11, undecided wrote:
    On 6/9/2024 1:42 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    I'd say that Alcaraz is better than Zverev at every aspect of the game
    when they are h2h, and in this match Alcaraz helped Zverev to stay in
    the match in the 3rd set, and from the middle of the 4th, all of the
    starch was gone from Zverev's game and his resolve had been surgically
    removed. His earlier tendency toward complaining and drag-assery is
    improved, but re-emerged during that part of the match. He became
    increasingly tentative in his shot selection.

    I thought Zverev was the better player and dictating play in sets 2,3
    and a good portion of set 4 but Alcaraz somehow won. I don't know how.

    "I vill hit quarter paced loopers till the cows come home".

    --
    "And off they went, from here to there,
    The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
    -- Traditional

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 11 00:54:52 2024
    Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 10.6.2024 klo 23.19:
    On 10.6.2024 23.11, undecided wrote:
    On 6/9/2024 1:42 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    I'd say that Alcaraz is better than Zverev at every aspect of the
    game when they are h2h, and in this match Alcaraz helped Zverev to
    stay in the match in the 3rd set, and from the middle of the 4th, all
    of the starch was gone from Zverev's game and his resolve had been
    surgically removed. His earlier tendency toward complaining and
    drag-assery is improved, but re-emerged during that part of the
    match. He became increasingly tentative in his shot selection.

    I thought Zverev was the better player and dictating play in sets 2,3
    and a good portion of set 4 but Alcaraz somehow won. I don't know how.

    "I vill hit quarter paced loopers till the cows come home".


    Your tennis analysis matches perfectly your immigration analysis.

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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to undecided on Wed Jun 12 18:40:29 2024
    On 11/06/2024 6:11 am, undecided wrote:
    On 6/9/2024 1:42 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    I'd say that Alcaraz is better than Zverev at every aspect of the game
    when they are h2h, and in this match Alcaraz helped Zverev to stay in
    the match in the 3rd set, and from the middle of the 4th, all of the
    starch was gone from Zverev's game and his resolve had been surgically
    removed. His earlier tendency toward complaining and drag-assery is
    improved, but re-emerged during that part of the match. He became
    increasingly tentative in his shot selection.

    I thought Zverev was the better player and dictating play in sets 2,3
    and a good portion of set 4 but Alcaraz somehow won. I don't know how.


    Carlos led 5-2 in 3rd set and lost it

    Carlos won 6-1 6-2 and 6-3 sets. He could have won another one 6-2, 1
    game away. It's scary given he had no tune-ups and was injured. It
    seems if he's fully fit and confident he wins this match 61 62 61.

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