"THURSDAY'S incident is a typical act of violence that one might expect
from the extreme right at the moment."

This is how terrorism researcher Leena Malkki from the Center for
European Studies at the University of Helsinki describes the first
stabbing in Valkea. Although planned extreme right-wing violence is
still rare, some typical features can be discerned.

According to her, acts of violence by the extreme right usually target
the population considered to be foreigners and take place in a public
place. The author often works alone.

"In Europe, the attacks that claimed the most victims have been the
actions of individual perpetrators. It is not atypical that someone who previously worked in a group now works alone."

Not much is known about Tuesday's attack. However, it also seems to have typical features: the perpetrator acted alone and was inspired by a
previous attack. [The second perp wore Nazi paraphernalia and, according
to law enforcement, had been a visitor to "Nordic Resistance" boards.
Probably a denizen of all kinds of hate groups. Might even read RST]

"Often, an attack is planned so that it can be connected to a previous
act. The connection can be established in different ways. On Tuesday, it
was probably the crime scene and the way."

IT IS HIGH time to let go of the idea that violence should be organized
in order to be viable, Malkki states.

The more violent side of the far-right does not necessarily have an
aspiration for traditional organization, he says. Instead, communities
are created online and materials and scenarios about what kind of
violence could be committed are shared.

"We think that people act on their own in their own environments."

The perpetrator of Tuesday's attack is only 15 years old. Today, more
and more minors are involved in the activities of the extreme right,
Malkki states.

"It seems to be something of a trend that has emerged over the course of
this decade."

According to Malki, the older, more radical actors encourage young
people to get involved. Recruiting young people is the goal, because a
new generation is needed to continue operations, he explains. Young
people can access radical far-right content online.

WHY did the attacks happen in Oulu right now? There is no direct answer
to the question, because so little is known about the cases, Malkki states.

There are certain areas in Finland where far-right activities and
networks are concentrated, says Malkki. Oulu is one of them.

"I don't think there's a real reason why something like this should
happen in Oulu, but I'm not surprised either."

The protection police have highlighted the increased threat of extreme right-wing terrorism in Finland. Also according to Malki, it seems that
the Finnish far-right's threshold for the use of violence has been lowered.

"This has been influenced by the fact that, especially in the 2020s, an
extreme movement has emerged in Europe, whose goal is to ignite a race
war by driving society into chaos." [Our chumps in RST make amends for
these people. Amazing]

Certain social conditions ALSO INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF POLITICAL
VIOLENCE, MALKKI STATES. Such conditions have been developing in Finland
for at least the last ten years, he says.

For example, experiences of discrimination and discrimination have
increased, while trust in the authorities and the means of political
influence have partly decreased.

Discussions and subcultures that have a permissive attitude towards
violence have also increased, which essentially involves making those
who belong outside one's own reference group outsiders.

"These types of ideas have received indirect approval and nods also from
quite influential and salon-worthy parties." [How do you spell PerSu]

According to Malki, in the radical far-right discourse in Western
countries, verbal attacks on what appear to be foreigners have been
occurring for a long time. The purpose is to make them feel
uncomfortable so that they move out of the country.

"This kind of text can be found in written Finnish for at least 15 years."

THE RISK of new attacks has unfortunately increased, says Malkki.

"It does not mean that we will immediately see a similar attack.
However, these will be one kind of example of how to react to them in
Finland. It can affect what someone does in the future." [That makes
every event like this a potential watershed moment. The reactions of the
gov have been tepid, to put it mildly. "We wrote a white paper last fall
on racism since we have a couple of obvious racists in the coalition and
we have to appear busy fixing stuffs we're not about to fix!" But you
can't see-no-evil-hear-no-evil forever. One more during your tenure, and
you're going to look like a dolt]

So what could counter the increase in racism and extreme right-wing
violence?

According to Malki, violence usually fades when it starts to appear that
it does not have the desired effects or attention shifts to other
political issues. Racism and its acceptance should decrease, he states.
[But is not decreasing]

Support must also be available for those wishing to leave extremist
movements. It's a missed opportunity if someone wants to break away, but support is not available when it would be useful, Malkki states.
[Support? I'll give them support]

The third important point is that actions have consequences.

https://www-hs-fi.translate.goog/suomi/art-2000010514231.html?_x_tr_hist=true

Now I know what a grooming gang is!

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The Iceberg kirjoitti 25.6.2024 klo 12.00:

On 24/06/2024 17:52, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

"THURSDAY'S incident is a typical act of violence that one might
expect from the extreme right at the moment."

This is how terrorism researcher Leena Malkki from the Center for
European Studies at the University of Helsinki describes the first
stabbing in Valkea. Although planned extreme right-wing violence is
still rare, some typical features can be discerned.

According to her, acts of violence by the extreme right usually target
the population considered to be foreigners and take place in a public
place. The author often works alone.

"In Europe, the attacks that claimed the most victims have been the
actions of individual perpetrators. It is not atypical that someone
who previously worked in a group now works alone."

Not much is known about Tuesday's attack. However, it also seems to
have typical features: the perpetrator acted alone and was inspired by
a previous attack. [The second perp wore Nazi paraphernalia and,
according to law enforcement, had been a visitor to "Nordic
Resistance" boards. Probably a denizen of all kinds of hate groups.
Might even read RST]

"Often, an attack is planned so that it can be connected to a previous
act. The connection can be established in different ways. On Tuesday,
it was probably the crime scene and the way."

IT IS HIGH time to let go of the idea that violence should be
organized in order to be viable, Malkki states.

The more violent side of the far-right does not necessarily have an
aspiration for traditional organization, he says. Instead, communities
are created online and materials and scenarios about what kind of
violence could be committed are shared.

"We think that people act on their own in their own environments."

The perpetrator of Tuesday's attack is only 15 years old. Today, more
and more minors are involved in the activities of the extreme right,
Malkki states.

"It seems to be something of a trend that has emerged over the course
of this decade."

According to Malki, the older, more radical actors encourage young
people to get involved. Recruiting young people is the goal, because a
new generation is needed to continue operations, he explains. Young
people can access radical far-right content online.

WHY did the attacks happen in Oulu right now? There is no direct
answer to the question, because so little is known about the cases,
Malkki states.

There are certain areas in Finland where far-right activities and
networks are concentrated, says Malkki. Oulu is one of them.

"I don't think there's a real reason why something like this should
happen in Oulu, but I'm not surprised either."

The protection police have highlighted the increased threat of extreme
right-wing terrorism in Finland. Also according to Malki, it seems
that the Finnish far-right's threshold for the use of violence has
been lowered.

"This has been influenced by the fact that, especially in the 2020s,
an extreme movement has emerged in Europe, whose goal is to ignite a
race war by driving society into chaos." [Our chumps in RST make
amends for these people. Amazing]

Certain social conditions ALSO INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF POLITICAL
VIOLENCE, MALKKI STATES. Such conditions have been developing in
Finland for at least the last ten years, he says.

For example, experiences of discrimination and discrimination have
increased, while trust in the authorities and the means of political
influence have partly decreased.

Discussions and subcultures that have a permissive attitude towards
violence have also increased, which essentially involves making those
who belong outside one's own reference group outsiders.

"These types of ideas have received indirect approval and nods also
from quite influential and salon-worthy parties." [How do you spell
PerSu]

According to Malki, in the radical far-right discourse in Western
countries, verbal attacks on what appear to be foreigners have been
occurring for a long time. The purpose is to make them feel
uncomfortable so that they move out of the country.

"This kind of text can be found in written Finnish for at least 15
years."

THE RISK of new attacks has unfortunately increased, says Malkki.

"It does not mean that we will immediately see a similar attack.
However, these will be one kind of example of how to react to them in
Finland. It can affect what someone does in the future." [That makes
every event like this a potential watershed moment. The reactions of
the gov have been tepid, to put it mildly. "We wrote a white paper
last fall on racism since we have a couple of obvious racists in the
coalition and we have to appear busy fixing stuffs we're not about to
fix!" But you can't see-no-evil-hear-no-evil forever. One more during
your tenure, and you're going to look like a dolt]

So what could counter the increase in racism and extreme right-wing
violence?

According to Malki, violence usually fades when it starts to appear
that it does not have the desired effects or attention shifts to other
political issues. Racism and its acceptance should decrease, he
states. [But is not decreasing]

Support must also be available for those wishing to leave extremist
movements. It's a missed opportunity if someone wants to break away,
but support is not available when it would be useful, Malkki states.
[Support? I'll give them support]

The third important point is that actions have consequences.

https://www-hs-fi.translate.goog/suomi/art-2000010514231.html?_x_tr_hist=true

Now I know what a grooming gang is!

yes it's lying about your political opposition(you call them the "far
right" aka anyone that opposes swamping Finland with non-working violent immigrants) and trying to cover-up "immigrant crime" and protect as many criminal migrants as possible.

Yep. Double standards.
They really want to destroy our beautiful countries.. and for what...
for feeling good about their own "tolerance" & "progressiveness". Sad.

The other option often is that they're just incredibly ignorant & naive.
World hugging stupidity.

Best quotes from this article are "According to her"(cos she's made this stuff up) and "It does not mean that we will immediately see a similar attack"(no cos there's zero evidence this happens with these 'hate
crimes') LOL

Yep, leftist politically motivated bollocks.

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On 25.6.2024 12.00, The Iceberg wrote:

On 24/06/2024 17:52, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

"THURSDAY'S incident is a typical act of violence that one might
expect from the extreme right at the moment."

This is how terrorism researcher Leena Malkki from the Center for
European Studies at the University of Helsinki describes the first
stabbing in Valkea. Although planned extreme right-wing violence is
still rare, some typical features can be discerned.

According to her, acts of violence by the extreme right usually target
the population considered to be foreigners and take place in a public
place. The author often works alone.

"In Europe, the attacks that claimed the most victims have been the
actions of individual perpetrators. It is not atypical that someone
who previously worked in a group now works alone."

Not much is known about Tuesday's attack. However, it also seems to
have typical features: the perpetrator acted alone and was inspired by
a previous attack. [The second perp wore Nazi paraphernalia and,
according to law enforcement, had been a visitor to "Nordic
Resistance" boards. Probably a denizen of all kinds of hate groups.
Might even read RST]

"Often, an attack is planned so that it can be connected to a previous
act. The connection can be established in different ways. On Tuesday,
it was probably the crime scene and the way."

IT IS HIGH time to let go of the idea that violence should be
organized in order to be viable, Malkki states.

The more violent side of the far-right does not necessarily have an
aspiration for traditional organization, he says. Instead, communities
are created online and materials and scenarios about what kind of
violence could be committed are shared.

"We think that people act on their own in their own environments."

The perpetrator of Tuesday's attack is only 15 years old. Today, more
and more minors are involved in the activities of the extreme right,
Malkki states.

"It seems to be something of a trend that has emerged over the course
of this decade."

According to Malki, the older, more radical actors encourage young
people to get involved. Recruiting young people is the goal, because a
new generation is needed to continue operations, he explains. Young
people can access radical far-right content online.

WHY did the attacks happen in Oulu right now? There is no direct
answer to the question, because so little is known about the cases,
Malkki states.

There are certain areas in Finland where far-right activities and
networks are concentrated, says Malkki. Oulu is one of them.

"I don't think there's a real reason why something like this should
happen in Oulu, but I'm not surprised either."

The protection police have highlighted the increased threat of extreme
right-wing terrorism in Finland. Also according to Malki, it seems
that the Finnish far-right's threshold for the use of violence has
been lowered.

"This has been influenced by the fact that, especially in the 2020s,
an extreme movement has emerged in Europe, whose goal is to ignite a
race war by driving society into chaos." [Our chumps in RST make
amends for these people. Amazing]

Certain social conditions ALSO INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF POLITICAL
VIOLENCE, MALKKI STATES. Such conditions have been developing in
Finland for at least the last ten years, he says.

For example, experiences of discrimination and discrimination have
increased, while trust in the authorities and the means of political
influence have partly decreased.

Discussions and subcultures that have a permissive attitude towards
violence have also increased, which essentially involves making those
who belong outside one's own reference group outsiders.

"These types of ideas have received indirect approval and nods also
from quite influential and salon-worthy parties." [How do you spell
PerSu]

According to Malki, in the radical far-right discourse in Western
countries, verbal attacks on what appear to be foreigners have been
occurring for a long time. The purpose is to make them feel
uncomfortable so that they move out of the country.

"This kind of text can be found in written Finnish for at least 15
years."

THE RISK of new attacks has unfortunately increased, says Malkki.

"It does not mean that we will immediately see a similar attack.
However, these will be one kind of example of how to react to them in
Finland. It can affect what someone does in the future." [That makes
every event like this a potential watershed moment. The reactions of
the gov have been tepid, to put it mildly. "We wrote a white paper
last fall on racism since we have a couple of obvious racists in the
coalition and we have to appear busy fixing stuffs we're not about to
fix!" But you can't see-no-evil-hear-no-evil forever. One more during
your tenure, and you're going to look like a dolt]

So what could counter the increase in racism and extreme right-wing
violence?

According to Malki, violence usually fades when it starts to appear
that it does not have the desired effects or attention shifts to other
political issues. Racism and its acceptance should decrease, he
states. [But is not decreasing]

Support must also be available for those wishing to leave extremist
movements. It's a missed opportunity if someone wants to break away,
but support is not available when it would be useful, Malkki states.
[Support? I'll give them support]

The third important point is that actions have consequences.

https://www-hs-fi.translate.goog/suomi/art-2000010514231.html?_x_tr_hist=true

Now I know what a grooming gang is!

yes it's lying about your political opposition(you call them the "far
right" aka anyone that opposes swamping Finland with non-working violent immigrants)

Nope. But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends
from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example, is to
make the 99 pay for the deeds of one. To make the 99 feel uncomfortable
where they are and leave. You do this by equating the 1 with the rest
yourself above. The one doesn't "swamp" anything.

The objective of this language is the same as the objective of the
actions of the terrorists. Whip trouble up and have them sent them back.
Only the means are different. That's why you see fit to make excuses for
these terrorists. It's a canine thing.

It doesn't stop at the good pundits of RST either. When the terrorists
hear the right honourable Lady Purra pin their actions on migrants, they
know what that means. Canines and all that.

and trying to cover-up "immigrant crime"

Lol.

and protect as many
criminal migrants as possible.

You're a loonie. Or do your best pretending to be one.

Best quotes from this article are "According to her"(cos she's made this stuff up) and "It does not mean that we will immediately see a similar attack"(no cos there's zero evidence this happens with these 'hate
crimes') LOL

Right wing action is new in Finland. About the age of the present
incarnation of PerSu. According to the hemlig security polizei, the
threat has increased and outweighs the numbers of these chumps. The
chumps have an ideology, the conviction, and the skills. And of course
you groomers making excuses for them.

About a year ago, two gangs planning racially motivated bombings, etc
were convicted. At that time an article in my daily MSM had ze hemlig
polizei say that other types of attacks are possible. Stabbings, par
example.

Here we are. "But it's for a good cause!"

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends from
you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example, is to make
the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

Much much more...

Suspected robberies by 15-19 yo men, per 10 000 people, 3 year moving
average.
Blue: Finns
Orange: Immigrant background

About one in ten... during one year.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQ6QHX4XcAALk1Y?format=jpg&name=medium

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On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends from
you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example, is to
make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article you
posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that article out to
see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Much much more...

Suspected robberies by 15-19 yo men, per 10 000 people, 3 year moving average.

I've pointed this out several times already ... here comes again: s-u-s-p-e-c-t-s a-r-e s-u-s-p-e-c-t-s.

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends from
you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example, is to
make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article you
posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that article out to
see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Much much more...

Suspected robberies by 15-19 yo men, per 10 000 people, 3 year moving
average.

I've pointed this out several times already ... here comes again: s-u-s-p-e-c-t-s a-r-e s-u-s-p-e-c-t-s.

Well they certainly get suspected a lot...

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On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends
from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example, is
to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article you
posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that article out to
see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends
from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example,
is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article you
posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that article out
to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on actual stats.

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On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends
from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example,
is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article you
posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that article out
to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU
posted. You have the link!

Lol.

--
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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends >>>>>>> from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example, >>>>>>> is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article you
posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that article out
to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU
posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

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On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends >>>>>>>> from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for
example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article you >>>>>> posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that article
out to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on actual
stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU
posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

Lol.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme
ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for >>>>>>>>> example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article
you posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that
article out to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on actual
stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU
posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has, didn't
read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

--
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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme >>>>>>>>>> ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for >>>>>>>>>> example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article >>>>>>>> you posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that
article out to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten. >>>>>>>>
Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on actual
stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU
posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has, didn't
read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link: https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/

"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and September
2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There are 16,600
people of foreign background under the age of 18 living in Espoo, so
about one percent of minors of foreign background in Espoo were
suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all are
reported & teens also do other crimes.

2. Duration is only 9 months. Illogical. Might as well take random
duration of a month and claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000
innocents.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 year
olds. Ridiculous and clearly a deliberate attempt to manipulate the
statistic. 4 year olds don't do many assaults & robberies.

You're a damn idiot.

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On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme >>>>>>>>>>> ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for >>>>>>>>>>> example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article >>>>>>>>> you posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that
article out to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten. >>>>>>>>>
Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on actual >>>>>> stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU
posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has,
didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link: https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/

"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and September
2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There are 16,600
people of foreign background under the age of 18 living in Espoo, so
about one percent of minors of foreign background in Espoo were
suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime only
you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats should
not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the 1/10-1/5 range
in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That makes the police
stats trash. The people that actually know what they are doing rarely
use police reports.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random
duration of a month and claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000
innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 year
olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to make a
point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The author uses
the same metric consistently across the board.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make the
other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme >>>>>>>>>>>> ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", >>>>>>>>>>>> for example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one. >>>>>>>>>>>

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent article >>>>>>>>>> you posted before that had the 99 in the header. Check that >>>>>>>>>> article out to see how it emerges, if you've already forgotten. >>>>>>>>>>
Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on
actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU
posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has,
didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/

"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and September
2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There are 16,600
people of foreign background under the age of 18 living in Espoo, so
about one percent of minors of foreign background in Espoo were
suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all are
reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime only
you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats should
not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the 1/10-1/5 range
in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That makes the police
stats trash. The people that actually know what they are doing rarely
use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending that
this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we include all
kinds of crimes.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and claim
that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to make a
point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The author uses
the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make the
other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong but
this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND* claim
that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent. That's
because many in that hundred are toddlers not even able to commit such a
crime.

Jesus! :))))

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On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme >>>>>>>>>>>>> ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", >>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds of one. >>>>>>>>>>>>

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent
article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've
already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on
actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article YOU >>>>>>> posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has,
didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/

"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and September
2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There are 16,600
people of foreign background under the age of 18 living in Espoo, so
about one percent of minors of foreign background in Espoo were
suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all
are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime
only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That
makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what they
are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending that
this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it gets
even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and claim
that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year, do
it directly. What difference does the length make in this case? Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 year
olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to make a
point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The author uses
the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make the
other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong but
this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND* claim
that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was. It
was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

Now you want to fudge the REST so as to make it look better for you.
Geez. The fact is, the wider the age groups (IOW, the closer to the
whole population you are), the stronger the "99" argument becomes.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 11.37:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on
actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article
YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has,
didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There
are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of 18 living
in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign background in
Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all
are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime
only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That
makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what they
are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending
that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it gets
even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and claim
that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year, do
it directly. What difference does the length make in this case? Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 year
olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to make
a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The author
uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make the
other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong but
this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND*
claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was. It
was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

Now you want to fudge the REST so as to make it look better for you.
Geez. The fact is, the wider the age groups (IOW, the closer to the
whole population you are), the stronger the "99" argument becomes.

Squirming nonsense.

Our argument is about the article/claim "One crime labels 99 teens".

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On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article >>>>>>>>> YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has,
didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There
are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of 18 living
in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign background in
Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all
are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime
only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That
makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what
they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending
that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it gets
even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and claim
that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year, do
it directly. What difference does the length make in this case? Silly
hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 year
olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to make
a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The author
uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make
the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong but
this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND*
claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was. It
was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless crime everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of any
cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run
into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis. "Keep
them eyes on the ball".

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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On 2.7.2024 16.41, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 11.37:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for the deeds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article >>>>>>>>> YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has,
didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There
are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of 18 living
in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign background in
Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all
are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime
only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That
makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what
they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending
that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it gets
even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and claim
that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year, do
it directly. What difference does the length make in this case? Silly
hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 year
olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to make
a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The author
uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make
the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong but
this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND*
claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was. It
was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

Now you want to fudge the REST so as to make it look better for you.
Geez. The fact is, the wider the age groups (IOW, the closer to the
whole population you are), the stronger the "99" argument becomes.

Squirming nonsense.

Our argument is about the article/claim "One crime labels 99 teens".

Lol.

I told you to check out how the number comes about in the article.
That's where the scope is defined. Period. You can talk about whatever
it is you want to talk about. And usually do.

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.31:

On 2.7.2024 16.41, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 11.37:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article >>>>>>>>>> YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has, >>>>>>> didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There
are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of 18 living >>>>>> in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign background in
Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all >>>>>> are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime
only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That
makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what
they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending
that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it
gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and claim >>>>>> that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year,
do it directly. What difference does the length make in this case?
Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18
year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to
make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The
author uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make
the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong
but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND*
claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was.
It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

Now you want to fudge the REST so as to make it look better for you.
Geez. The fact is, the wider the age groups (IOW, the closer to the
whole population you are), the stronger the "99" argument becomes.

Squirming nonsense.

Our argument is about the article/claim "One crime labels 99 teens".

Lol.

I told you to check out how the number comes about in the article.

And I did.
The author and you were dishonest with your use of the highly
manufactured stat.

That's where the scope is defined. Period. You can talk about whatever
it is you want to talk about. And usually do.

You're tiresome.

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.39:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:

But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the crime >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article >>>>>>>>>> YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he has, >>>>>>> didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect.

Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been
committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There
are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of 18 living >>>>>> in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign background in
Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not all >>>>>> are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda crime
only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That
makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what
they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending
that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it
gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and claim >>>>>> that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year,
do it directly. What difference does the length make in this case?
Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18
year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to
make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The
author uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make
the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong
but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND*
claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was.
It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless crime
everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of any
cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run
into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis. "Keep
them eyes on the ball".

You still haven't answered my question:

Why do you think mass immigration in Finland would lead to different
results than in Germany, France, Sweden?

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On 2.7.2024 18.09, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 15:39, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article >>>>>>>>>>> YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he
has, didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect. >>>>>>>>
Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been >>>>>>> committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There >>>>>>> are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of 18
living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign
background in Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not
all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda
crime only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That >>>>>> makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what
they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending
that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it
gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and
claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year,
do it directly. What difference does the length make in this case?
Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18
year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to
make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The
author uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make
the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong
but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND*
claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was.
It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless crime
everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of any
cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run
into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis.
"Keep them eyes on the ball".

yes but you're trying to stop people keeping their eye on the ball by distracting with shouting "look over there at that right-winger".
Finland will undoubtledly mirror the general experience elsewhere like
in France/Germany/Sweden which has been swamped with unskilled unchecked immigrants, that is obvious.

Not at all obvious. The only crime rate that has seen increases that
could be considered alarming is the petty theft numbers of some minors.
We'll see what happens, could be corona related as many things are. The hell-holedness of Portland certainly is.

Without checking, I'm willing to bet the long term trends of most
crimes/age group are either stable or declining. While the number of
"migrants" has increased. And ... the total probability of you getting
mugged is dominated by the majority. Avoid palefaces. Especially
palefaces with a bottle of vodka. THEY are dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq94EkQyFNI

France is France, Germany is Germany, Finland is Finland, and stats are
stats. This migrant FUD is for vote begging.

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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On 2.7.2024 18.24, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.39:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The article >>>>>>>>>>> YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he
has, didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect. >>>>>>>>
Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been >>>>>>> committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. There >>>>>>> are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of 18
living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign
background in Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not
all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda
crime only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats
should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. That >>>>>> makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know what
they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending
that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it
gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and
claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year,
do it directly. What difference does the length make in this case?
Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18
year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to
make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The
author uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular "metric"
gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make
the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong
but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND*
claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was.
It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless crime
everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of any
cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run
into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis.
"Keep them eyes on the ball".

You still haven't answered my question:

Why do you think mass immigration in Finland would lead to different
results than in Germany, France, Sweden?

Because it is stupid to single-mindedly assume migration is the only
cause for anything. That's the long and short of it. More words require
better pay.

--
"And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
-- Traditional

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 20.21:

On 2.7.2024 18.24, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.39:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The
article YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he >>>>>>>>> has, didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect. >>>>>>>>>
Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been >>>>>>>> committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects.
There are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of >>>>>>>> 18 living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign
background in Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not >>>>>>>> all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda
crime only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats >>>>>>> should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example.
That makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know >>>>>>> what they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending >>>>>> that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it
gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and
claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ. >>>>>>>

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year,
do it directly. What difference does the length make in this case?
Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 >>>>>>>> year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to
make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The >>>>>>> author uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular
"metric" gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make >>>>>>> the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong
but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND* >>>>>> claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was.
It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless crime
everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of any
cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run
into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis.
"Keep them eyes on the ball".

You still haven't answered my question:

Why do you think mass immigration in Finland would lead to different
results than in Germany, France, Sweden?

Because it is stupid to single-mindedly assume migration is the only
cause for anything. That's the long and short of it. More words require better pay.

Yes, it's almost impossible to tell what is the real reason for gang
rapes in the west or sudden increase on bomb attacks in Sweden.

Hell, Sweden's rape stats look like Nvidia's stock.

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Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 20.03:

On 2.7.2024 18.09, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 15:39, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:

On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the header. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check that article out to see how it emerges, if you've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based on >>>>>>>>>>>>> actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The
article YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he >>>>>>>>> has, didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect. >>>>>>>>>
Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/ >>>>>>>>
"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have been >>>>>>>> committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January and
September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects.
There are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of >>>>>>>> 18 living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign
background in Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not >>>>>>>> all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda
crime only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats >>>>>>> should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the
1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example.
That makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know >>>>>>> what they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and pretending >>>>>> that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 to 50 if we
include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it
gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and
claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ. >>>>>>>

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of
duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 year,
do it directly. What difference does the length make in this case?
Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 >>>>>>>> year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to
make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The >>>>>>> author uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular
"metric" gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to make >>>>>>> the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong
but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 *AND* >>>>>> claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument was.
It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless crime
everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of any
cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run
into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis.
"Keep them eyes on the ball".

yes but you're trying to stop people keeping their eye on the ball by
distracting with shouting "look over there at that right-winger".
Finland will undoubtledly mirror the general experience elsewhere like
in France/Germany/Sweden which has been swamped with unskilled
unchecked immigrants, that is obvious.

Not at all obvious. The only crime rate that has seen increases that
could be considered alarming is the petty theft numbers of some minors.
We'll see what happens, could be corona related as many things are. The hell-holedness of Portland certainly is.

Without checking, I'm willing to bet the long term trends of most
crimes/age group are either stable or declining. While the number of "migrants" has increased. And ... the total probability of you getting
mugged is dominated by the majority. Avoid palefaces. Especially
palefaces with a bottle of vodka. THEY are dangerous.

Robberies, crimes against life & health have increased... Rapes & sexual crimes, drug related crimes have shot through the roof.

Also, anecdotally misuse of social security etc appears to be rampant
with the immigrants... from what we can read from the papers. Driving
taxi while getting welfare checks, living abroad while raising tens of thousands from child benefits etc.

And of course a massive amount of kebab/pizza restaurants, barber shops,
taxis etc cheat on taxes. Construction businesses... well, maybe they
should cheat on costs since nowadays all their equipment is being stolen
from construction sites...

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On 3.7.2024 0.05, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 20.21:

On 2.7.2024 18.24, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.39:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header. Check that article out to see how it emerges, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The >>>>>>>>>>>>> article YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic. >>>>>>>>>>>

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he >>>>>>>>>> has, didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect. >>>>>>>>>>
Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/

"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have
been committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January >>>>>>>>> and September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. >>>>>>>>> There are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of >>>>>>>>> 18 living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign >>>>>>>>> background in Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not >>>>>>>>> all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda
crime only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats >>>>>>>> should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls into the >>>>>>>> 1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example.
That makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know >>>>>>>> what they are doing rarely use police reports.

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and
pretending that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 >>>>>>> to 50 if we include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it
gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and >>>>>>>>> claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ. >>>>>>>>

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance of >>>>>>> duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1
year, do it directly. What difference does the length make in this >>>>>> case? Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 >>>>>>>>> year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to >>>>>>>> make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The >>>>>>>> author uses the same metric consistently across the board.

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that. >>>>>>

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular
"metric" gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to
make the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong >>>>>>> but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18
*AND* claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are
innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument
was. It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless
crime everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in
Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of any
cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run
into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis.
"Keep them eyes on the ball".

You still haven't answered my question:

Why do you think mass immigration in Finland would lead to different
results than in Germany, France, Sweden?

Because it is stupid to single-mindedly assume migration is the only
cause for anything. That's the long and short of it. More words
require better pay.

Yes, it's almost impossible to tell what is the real reason for gang
rapes in the west or sudden increase on bomb attacks in Sweden.

Hell, Sweden's rape stats look like Nvidia's stock.

You were already trounced once with this Sweden rape thing. "Gang rapes
in the West" hardly merits response. Bomb tossings hardly correlate with
the influx of invaders.

Cherry pickers are cherry pickers.

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The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"
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Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r

On 3.7.2024 0.05, TT wrote:> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 20.21:>> On 2.7.2024 18.24, TT wrote:>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.39:>>>> On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:>>>>> On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:>>>>>>

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:>>>>>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:>>>>>>>> On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:>>>>>>>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:>>>>>>>>>> On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> On 29.6.2024
20.33, TT wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pelle Svanslö
s kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from
you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the deeds of one.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/99?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/(99+1).>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header. Check that article out to see how it emerges, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you've already forgotten.>>>>>

Man, ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Links?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on actual

stats.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The >>>>>>>>>>>>> article YOU posted. You have the link!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No I do not have it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real statistic.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he >>>>>>>>>> has, didn't read the links he has, yet is

willing to recollect.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonehead stuff.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Googled it, here's the link:>>>>>>>>> https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "When we divide the number of crimes (260)
reported to have >>>>>>>>> been committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January >>>>>>>>> and September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different suspects. >>>>>>>>> There are 16,600 people of foreign background under the age of >>>>>>>>> 18
living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors of foreign >>>>>>>>> background in Espoo were suspected of assault or robbery.">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not >>>>>>>>> all are reported & teens also do
other crimes.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda >>>>>>>> crime only you are privy to.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these stats >>>>>>>> should not be used at all. The
ratio of reported falls into the >>>>>>>> 1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for example. >>>>>>>> That makes the police stats trash. The people that actually know >>>>>>>> what they are doing rarely use police reports.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and >>>>>>> pretending that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 >>>>>>> to 50 if we include all kinds of crimes.>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK,
it >>>>>> gets even worse.>>>>>>>>>>>> Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand this is a complicated concept for you.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Duration is only 9 months. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's what it is.>>>>>>>>

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and >>>>>>>>> claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was an

example so that you would understand the relevance of >>>>>>> duration to results. I guess it didn't help.>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1 >>>>>> year, do it directly. What difference does the length make in this

case? Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways, it is what it is.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 >>>>>>>>> year olds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with that? You posted these

same under 18 stats to >>>>>>>> make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. The >>>>>>>> author uses the same metric consistently across the board.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that.>>>

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular >>>>>> "metric" gives. There are different "metrics".>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged

so as to >>>>>>>> make the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very strong >>>>>>> but this is just
ridiculous...>>>>>>> You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18 >>>>>>> *AND* claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are >>>>>>> innocent. >>>>>>>>>>>> You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument >>>>>>
was. It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok?>>>>>>>>>> your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless >>>>> crime everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in >>>>> Germany >>>>>>>> Yeah. But, you know,
if you're going to start including crims of any >>>> cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going to run >>>> into a couple of problems.>>>>>>>> The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis. >>>> "Keep them eyes on
the ball".>>>>>>>>>> You still haven't answered my question:>>>>>> Why do you think mass immigration in Finland would lead to different >>> results than in Germany, France, Sweden?>>>> Because it is stupid to single-mindedly assume migration is the only >

cause for anything. That's the long and short of it. More words >> require better pay.>>> > Yes, it's almost impossible to tell what is the real reason for gang > rapes in the west or sudden increase on bomb attacks in Sweden.> > Hell, Sweden's rape

stats look like Nvidia's stock.You were already trounced once with this Sweden rape thing. "Gang rapes in the West" hardly merits response. Bomb tossings hardly correlate with the influx of invaders.Cherry pickers are cherry pickers.-- "And off they went,
from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair"-- Traditional


Yeah Stefan Edberg's kids are throwing bombs in Stockholm, lol.


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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 4.7.2024 klo 13.11:

On 3.7.2024 0.05, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 20.21:

On 2.7.2024 18.24, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.39:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header. Check that article out to see how it emerges, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> article YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real >>>>>>>>>>>>> statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he >>>>>>>>>>> has, didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect. >>>>>>>>>>>
Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/

"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have >>>>>>>>>> been committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January >>>>>>>>>> and September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different
suspects. There are 16,600 people of foreign background under >>>>>>>>>> the age of 18 living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors >>>>>>>>>> of foreign background in Espoo were suspected of assault or >>>>>>>>>> robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not >>>>>>>>>> all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda >>>>>>>>> crime only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these
stats should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls >>>>>>>>> into the 1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for >>>>>>>>> example. That makes the police stats trash. The people that
actually know what they are doing rarely use police reports. >>>>>>>>>

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and
pretending that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 >>>>>>>> to 50 if we include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it >>>>>>> gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and >>>>>>>>>> claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ. >>>>>>>>>

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance >>>>>>>> of duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1
year, do it directly. What difference does the length make in
this case? Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 >>>>>>>>>> year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to >>>>>>>>> make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. >>>>>>>>> The author uses the same metric consistently across the board. >>>>>>>>>

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that. >>>>>>>

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular
"metric" gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to >>>>>>>>> make the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very
strong but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18
*AND* claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are
innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument
was. It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok? >>>>>>

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless
crime everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in
Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of
any cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going
to run into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis.
"Keep them eyes on the ball".

You still haven't answered my question:

Why do you think mass immigration in Finland would lead to different
results than in Germany, France, Sweden?

Because it is stupid to single-mindedly assume migration is the only
cause for anything. That's the long and short of it. More words
require better pay.

Yes, it's almost impossible to tell what is the real reason for gang
rapes in the west or sudden increase on bomb attacks in Sweden.

Hell, Sweden's rape stats look like Nvidia's stock.

You were already trounced once with this Sweden rape thing. "Gang rapes
in the West" hardly merits response. Bomb tossings hardly correlate with
the influx of invaders.

Cherry pickers are cherry pickers.

Just because you claim something, doesn't make it so.

How was I trounced on Sweden rapes?
...You argued that something else was the cause other than
immigration... people report more sexual crimes etc.

But the increase of *RAPES* is continuous... https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/985269761864097792

And that's only up to 2017. In 2023 amount of rapes was 26.2% higher
than 2017.

Your argument falls on its face with the study that between 2000-2015
people with immigrant background committed 59.2% of all rapes in Sweden.
And that was *before* the massive 2015 camelrapist influx!

https://www.opindia.com/2021/11/sweden-lund-university-researcher-faces-prosecution-for-study-post-rapes-committed-by-immigrants/

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The Iceberg kirjoitti 5.7.2024 klo 14.10:

On 02/07/2024 22:05, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 20.21:

On 2.7.2024 18.24, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 2.7.2024 klo 17.39:

On 2.7.2024 16.51, The Iceberg wrote:

On 02/07/2024 09:37, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 1.7.2024 0.52, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 22.57:

On 30.6.2024 18.40, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 30.6.2024 klo 16.44:

On 29.6.2024 20.57, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

On 29.6.2024 20.33, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 20.32:

On 29.6.2024 13.53, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 29.6.2024 klo 9.31:

On 27.6.2024 22.23, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 21.49: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27.6.2024 19.47, TT wrote:

Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti 27.6.2024 klo 16.41: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extreme ends from you groomers. The purpose of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crime "stats", for example, is to make the 99 pay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the deeds of one.

1/99?

1/(99+1).

Where does that come from? It comes from the excellent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article you posted before that had the 99 in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> header. Check that article out to see how it emerges, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you've already forgotten.

Man, ...

Links?

Lol.

Lol & no links because that "99" is hyperbole, not based >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on actual stats.

Didn't I already say where the number comes from? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> article YOU posted. You have the link!

Lol.

No I do not have it.

Lol.

That 99 was hyperbole to my recollection, not a real >>>>>>>>>>>>> statistic.

Lol.

This cracks me up. Tiny of Finland doesn't have the links he >>>>>>>>>>> has, didn't read the links he has, yet is willing to recollect. >>>>>>>>>>>
Bonehead stuff.

Googled it, here's the link:
https://stat.fi/tietotrendit/blogit/2023/yhden-rikos-leimaa-99-nuorta/

"When we divide the number of crimes (260) reported to have >>>>>>>>>> been committed by foreign nationals in Espoo between January >>>>>>>>>> and September 2023 by 1.5, we get about 170 different
suspects. There are 16,600 people of foreign background under >>>>>>>>>> the age of 18 living in Espoo, so about one percent of minors >>>>>>>>>> of foreign background in Espoo were suspected of assault or >>>>>>>>>> robbery."

1. This is only about reported cases of assault & robbery, not >>>>>>>>>> all are reported & teens also do other crimes.

Lol. Maybe the article should have included the woulda coulda >>>>>>>>> crime only you are privy to.

BTW, This is the case always. The prime argument why these
stats should not be used at all. The ratio of reported falls >>>>>>>>> into the 1/10-1/5 range in mild to semi-serious violence, for >>>>>>>>> example. That makes the police stats trash. The people that
actually know what they are doing rarely use police reports. >>>>>>>>>

The problem is that you're picking a specific crime and
pretending that this means only 1 to 99 does crimes. Could be 50 >>>>>>>> to 50 if we include all kinds of crimes.

Yes. And if we include crime committed in Germany, US, and UK, it >>>>>>> gets even worse.

Your gibberish has nothing to do with what it is a response to.

I understand this is a complicated concept for you.

2. Duration is only 9 months.

It's what it is.

Illogical. Might as well take random duration of a month and >>>>>>>>>> claim that one immigrant crime labels 1000 innocents.

However, they did not do that. Another brilliant argument, champ. >>>>>>>>>

That was an example so that you would understand the relevance >>>>>>>> of duration to results. I guess it didn't help.

If you want to argue the 9mo interval is unfair compared to 1
year, do it directly. What difference does the length make in
this case? Silly hypotheticals are silly hypotheticals.

Anyways, it is what it is.

3. He compares under 18 assaults & robberies to *ALL* under 18 >>>>>>>>>> year olds.

What's wrong with that? You posted these same under 18 stats to >>>>>>>>> make a point between natives and migrants. No quibbles then. >>>>>>>>> The author uses the same metric consistently across the board. >>>>>>>>>

No, not the same metric at all. The figures should tell you that. >>>>>>>

You're confusing a "metric" with the results one particular
"metric" gives. There are different "metrics".

I don't know what's wrong with you but something is.

Now you're unhappy because the stat is not massaged so as to >>>>>>>>> make the other group look worse. Lol, Tiny. You're a joke.

1/100. BTW, it's still one *suspect*/100.

No. It simply is not. I know your math & logic is not very
strong but this is just ridiculous...
You can't divide amount of teen robbers by everyone under 18
*AND* claim that the result tells us that 99 / 100 teens are
innocent.

You can't think straight. Remind yourself of what the argument
was. It was "what a crim does, is not the fault of the REST". Ok? >>>>>>

your argument seems to be that whilst immigrants cause endless
crime everywhere they go and even 6 out of 10 violent crimes in
Germany

Yeah. But, you know, if you're going to start including crims of
any cherry picked country into the stats of Finland, you're going
to run into a couple of problems.

The first rule of debates is the same as the first rule in tennis.
"Keep them eyes on the ball".

You still haven't answered my question:

Why do you think mass immigration in Finland would lead to different
results than in Germany, France, Sweden?

Because it is stupid to single-mindedly assume migration is the only
cause for anything. That's the long and short of it. More words
require better pay.

Yes, it's almost impossible to tell what is the real reason for gang
rapes in the west or sudden increase on bomb attacks in Sweden.

Hell, Sweden's rape stats look like Nvidia's stock.

Pelle says it all a total coincidence that this is the case in every
other country and even now New York! when you let endless unchecked 3rd
world people into a country just cannot understand why crime like in the
3rd world happens. It almost like if you let in enough people who
believe in Sharia law above your regular law, surely you wouldn't get
Sharia law courts? oh in England we now have those!! LOL

It's puzzling how someone could argue that 3rd world immigration is
unrelated to crime when all western stats show exactly them doing most
crime.

And it doesn't go away in hundreds of years either. Just look at blacks
in USA, or Finnish gypsies who have been here "integrating" for past 500 years...

You have sharia law courts in England?

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In article <v5jq6n$2ni50$3@dont-email.me>,
Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.los> wrote:

On 25.6.2024 12.00, The Iceberg wrote:

On 24/06/2024 17:52, Pelle Svanslös wrote:

"THURSDAY'S incident is a typical act of violence that one might
expect from the extreme right at the moment."

This is how terrorism researcher Leena Malkki from the Center for
European Studies at the University of Helsinki describes the first
stabbing in Valkea. Although planned extreme right-wing violence is
still rare, some typical features can be discerned.

According to her, acts of violence by the extreme right usually target
the population considered to be foreigners and take place in a public
place. The author often works alone.

"In Europe, the attacks that claimed the most victims have been the
actions of individual perpetrators. It is not atypical that someone
who previously worked in a group now works alone."

Not much is known about Tuesday's attack. However, it also seems to
have typical features: the perpetrator acted alone and was inspired by
a previous attack. [The second perp wore Nazi paraphernalia and,
according to law enforcement, had been a visitor to "Nordic
Resistance" boards. Probably a denizen of all kinds of hate groups.
Might even read RST]

"Often, an attack is planned so that it can be connected to a previous
act. The connection can be established in different ways. On Tuesday,
it was probably the crime scene and the way."

IT IS HIGH time to let go of the idea that violence should be
organized in order to be viable, Malkki states.

The more violent side of the far-right does not necessarily have an
aspiration for traditional organization, he says. Instead, communities
are created online and materials and scenarios about what kind of
violence could be committed are shared.

"We think that people act on their own in their own environments."

The perpetrator of Tuesday's attack is only 15 years old. Today, more
and more minors are involved in the activities of the extreme right,
Malkki states.

"It seems to be something of a trend that has emerged over the course
of this decade."

According to Malki, the older, more radical actors encourage young
people to get involved. Recruiting young people is the goal, because a
new generation is needed to continue operations, he explains. Young
people can access radical far-right content online.

WHY did the attacks happen in Oulu right now? There is no direct
answer to the question, because so little is known about the cases,
Malkki states.

There are certain areas in Finland where far-right activities and
networks are concentrated, says Malkki. Oulu is one of them.

"I don't think there's a real reason why something like this should
happen in Oulu, but I'm not surprised either."

The protection police have highlighted the increased threat of extreme
right-wing terrorism in Finland. Also according to Malki, it seems
that the Finnish far-right's threshold for the use of violence has
been lowered.

"This has been influenced by the fact that, especially in the 2020s,
an extreme movement has emerged in Europe, whose goal is to ignite a
race war by driving society into chaos." [Our chumps in RST make
amends for these people. Amazing]

Certain social conditions ALSO INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY OF POLITICAL
VIOLENCE, MALKKI STATES. Such conditions have been developing in
Finland for at least the last ten years, he says.

For example, experiences of discrimination and discrimination have
increased, while trust in the authorities and the means of political
influence have partly decreased.

Discussions and subcultures that have a permissive attitude towards
violence have also increased, which essentially involves making those
who belong outside one's own reference group outsiders.

"These types of ideas have received indirect approval and nods also
from quite influential and salon-worthy parties." [How do you spell
PerSu]

According to Malki, in the radical far-right discourse in Western
countries, verbal attacks on what appear to be foreigners have been
occurring for a long time. The purpose is to make them feel
uncomfortable so that they move out of the country.

"This kind of text can be found in written Finnish for at least 15
years."

THE RISK of new attacks has unfortunately increased, says Malkki.

"It does not mean that we will immediately see a similar attack.
However, these will be one kind of example of how to react to them in
Finland. It can affect what someone does in the future." [That makes
every event like this a potential watershed moment. The reactions of
the gov have been tepid, to put it mildly. "We wrote a white paper
last fall on racism since we have a couple of obvious racists in the
coalition and we have to appear busy fixing stuffs we're not about to
fix!" But you can't see-no-evil-hear-no-evil forever. One more during
your tenure, and you're going to look like a dolt]

So what could counter the increase in racism and extreme right-wing
violence?

According to Malki, violence usually fades when it starts to appear
that it does not have the desired effects or attention shifts to other
political issues. Racism and its acceptance should decrease, he
states. [But is not decreasing]

Support must also be available for those wishing to leave extremist
movements. It's a missed opportunity if someone wants to break away,
but support is not available when it would be useful, Malkki states.
[Support? I'll give them support]

The third important point is that actions have consequences.

https://www-hs-fi.translate.goog/suomi/art-2000010514231.html?_x_tr_hist=true

Now I know what a grooming gang is!

yes it's lying about your political opposition(you call them the "far
right" aka anyone that opposes swamping Finland with non-working violent
immigrants)

Nope. But it is occasionally difficult to distinguish the extreme ends
from you groomers. The purpose of the crime "stats", for example, is to
make the 99 pay for the deeds of one. To make the 99 feel uncomfortable
where they are and leave. You do this by equating the 1 with the rest >yourself above. The one doesn't "swamp" anything.

"the 99" is a great reference.

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