• Biden's political career is over

    From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 03:46:17 2024
    Just watched his "big boy presser", apparently aimed to diminish doubts
    about his cognitive ability.

    Didn't look good. Not good at all. I saw like last 20 minutes of the
    presser where he answered questions from the press and I felt just sorry
    for the poor chap. He really shouldn't be there, no more.

    He was mumbling about lots of unrelated stuff to questions asked,
    obviously having problems to focus on what he was answering, many times stopping his monologue with "anyways" when he lost train of thought. He
    told that he will indeed run for president.

    "Four Asian nations: Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"

    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
    him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.

    There's no way Democrats can put him as candidate. No way.
    Why are they letting him embarrass himself like this when clearly he's
    not capable any more. Sad.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 04:09:31 2024
    TT kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 3.46:
    Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"

    https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1811553607092981822

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kalevi Kolttonen@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Fri Jul 12 06:40:31 2024
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
    him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.

    According to our president Stubido, we can fully
    trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.

    What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!

    br,
    KK

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 19:14:59 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 4.50:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Just watched his "big boy presser", apparently aimed to diminish
    doubts about his cognitive ability.

    Didn't look good. Not good at all. I saw like last 20 minutes of the
    presser where he answered questions from the press and I felt just
    sorry for the poor chap. He really shouldn't be there, no more.

    He was mumbling about lots of unrelated stuff to questions asked,
    obviously having problems to focus on what he was answering, many
    times stopping his monologue with "anyways" when he lost train of
    thought. He told that he will indeed run for president.

    "Four Asian nations: Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"

    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
    him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds
    later.

    There's no way Democrats can put him as candidate. No way.
    Why are they letting him embarrass himself like this when clearly he's
    not capable any more. Sad.

    I thought he was great, actually.  You're picking on a few, selected stumbles, but Biden's always been a gaffe machine.  Funny thing he makes fewer gaffes than Trump, you just don't hear about it because the media doesn't bother to report it.  Maybe try to listen to some of his
    speeches sometimes.

    He went on at great length with a good command of the details to extemporaneous questioning, often for several minutes at a time. He
    didn't look particularly feeble or tired for an 81-year old, and
    definitely didn't sound "confused".  The difference between this and the debate was night and day.

    I think you're deaf & blind.

    Watched a bit of MSNBC commentary of the big boy presser and they tended
    to agree with you, Maddow & pals. Talk about lowered expectations.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 19:21:01 2024
    Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 9.40:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called
    him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds later.

    According to our president Stubido, we can fully
    trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.

    What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!

    br,
    KK

    Yes. I think he was just being polite to the host. But went a bit too far.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 19:20:05 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 4.55:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    TT kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 3.46:
    Australia, New Zealand, Japan.... Australia"

    https://x.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1811553607092981822

    Hey look, TT is promoting twitter feeds from hardcore Trump nutters as "evidence".  What a surprise!

    Not a surprise to you, eh? I'm known to be such a hardcore Trump fan right?

    I used the search function on twitter for the clip. That's the first
    link I got.

    I recommend watching this clip from Young Turks here: https://youtu.be/vXkNaf5itGg?si=hg2laS8OHQ6Ud-vS

    They are complete garbage but I have to agree with their POW here...

    Would you go on a plane with a captain like Biden?
    Would you even go in a car driven by Biden?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 19:37:12 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 12.04:
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:

    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
    called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
    seconds later.

    According to our president Stubido, we can fully
    trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.

    What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!

    br,
    KK

    Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't perfect,
    but overall I'd say it was average to above average.  He was clearly comprehending the questions and giving meaningful, contextual
    responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't spell the end of
    his political career.


    Meaningful contextual responses?

    Biden was answering hardly half of the questions with relevant replies.
    He was mostly doing his retirement home shtick where he goes constantly off-topic, mumbles so that it's hard understand what he says. I feel
    like he's incapable of mouthing words correctly, sort of like a
    handicapped person... unless he shouts.

    There was this weird shouting episode too, where he suddenly started
    shouting about great America, children being shot etc. Not sure if it
    was in any form related to the question asked, or his answer even.

    Maybe I need to watch the entire thing and not only last 20 minutes...
    but what I saw looked really bad to me. He finished multiple times his
    answer with "well, anyway" when he lost his train of thought... he also
    did same thing in the debate and I think the interview afterwards.

    One must have truly lowered expectations if this convinced you of his
    cognitive ability & ability to lead a country.

    I'd go as far as to say that he is currently incapable of doing his job
    and has not been leading the country for some time.

    I doubt he'd pass a cognitive test with flying colours & definitely
    would not get over 100 on an IQ test... probably 60-70 at the moment?

    Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
    headlines on the first question?  I sure can.

    Biden has been doing this for decades.
    You sound like Pelle, and that's not a compliment.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 19:44:43 2024
    The Iceberg kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 12.23:
    On 12/07/2024 10:04, jdeluise wrote:
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:

    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
    called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
    seconds later.

    According to our president Stubido, we can fully
    trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.

    What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!

    br,
    KK

    Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
    preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't perfect,
    but overall I'd say it was average to above average.  He was clearly
    comprehending the questions and giving meaningful, contextual
    responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't spell the end
    of his political career.

    Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
    headlines on the first question?  I sure can.

    you said it doesn't matter if he is mentally incompetent cos he has a
    team behind him running things anyway, yes?

    I have been wondering for some time US policy on immigration/borders... China... woke policies etc.

    Biden not leading the country explains it all... the power is in hands
    of some radical (left & right) cabinet members / senators / whoever, not
    the moderate Biden. He's just being a rubber stamp.
    Apparently even his own cabinet meetings have been staged, where
    everything was decided beforehand and Joe was just reading lines,
    according to Young Turks. There haven't been any cabinet meetings in months.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 19:52:04 2024
    Sawfish kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 17.08:
    I think that if the debate had never happened and he had this
    newsconference, no one would be talking about his relatively small
    mistakes, much less pulling him off the ticket. It would have been an average, although somewhat pugnacious, public appearance.

    Perhaps. But this is lowered expectations, big time.
    Not falling asleep or dying of old age on the stage is a winning
    performance for Biden.

    Look folks, this is a... well, anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 12 19:58:32 2024
    Sawfish kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 19.40:
    On 7/12/24 9:21 AM, TT wrote:
    Kalevi Kolttonen kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 9.40:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he called >>>> him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few seconds
    later.

    According to our president Stubido, we can fully
    trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.

    What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!

    br,
    KK

    Yes. I think he was just being polite to the host. But went a bit too
    far.

    What this showed that he's intermittently functional in controlled situations. We've also seen that he can be close to non-functional as
    well. Is this actually good enough for a world leader is the question at hand.


    "Intermittently functional in controlled situations" sounds about right.
    Being able to answer so-so understandably on half of the questions by
    the press is imo far from being able to handle the job.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 13 07:09:44 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 20.46:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    jdeluise kirjoitti 12.7.2024 klo 12.04:
    kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) writes:

    TT <TT@dprk.kp> wrote:
    He referred to Kamala as "Vice President Trump".

    Earlier at Nato meeting  when introducing Zelensky to Podium he
    called him "President Putin", although noticing his mistake a few
    seconds later.

    According to our president Stubido, we can fully
    trust in Biden's capabilities to handle his job.

    What a fucking joke! Hahahahah!

    br,
    KK
    Frankly I think you guys are magnifying his foibles to confirm your
    preconceived notions about Biden's state.  For sure he wasn't
    perfect, but overall I'd say it was average to above average. He
    was clearly comprehending the questions and giving meaningful,
    contextual responses.  It was no disaster and it certainly doesn't
    spell the end of his political career.


    Meaningful contextual responses?

    Biden was answering hardly half of the questions with relevant
    replies. He was mostly doing his retirement home shtick where he goes
    constantly off-topic, mumbles so that it's hard understand what he
    says. I feel like he's incapable of mouthing words correctly, sort of
    like a handicapped person... unless he shouts.

    There was this weird shouting episode too, where he suddenly started
    shouting about great America, children being shot etc. Not sure if it
    was in any form related to the question asked, or his answer even.

    Maybe I need to watch the entire thing and not only last 20
    minutes... but what I saw looked really bad to me. He finished
    multiple times his answer with "well, anyway" when he lost his train
    of thought... he also did same thing in the debate and I think the
    interview afterwards.

    One must have truly lowered expectations if this convinced you of his
    cognitive ability & ability to lead a country.

    I'd go as far as to say that he is currently incapable of doing his
    job and has not been leading the country for some time.

    I doubt he'd pass a cognitive test with flying colours & definitely
    would not get over 100 on an IQ test... probably 60-70 at the moment?

    Can anyone image Tommi Tenderloins freezing up like a deer in the
    headlines on the first question?  I sure can.

    Biden has been doing this for decades.
    You sound like Pelle, and that's not a compliment.

    You're one of the most dichotomous thinkers in rst, so what I'm about to
    say probably won't make any sense to you.  I recognize and have stated previously that Biden's presentation was not perfect, his performance
    was maybe average to above average. Still, there is no way a person in
    the throes of dementia could listen, comprehend and answer the way that
    he did.  He *did* respond with some substance, enough at least for the masses who don't have a grasp of the underlying issues.  And he did
    credibly try to answer the questions as stated.  How often do you hear politicians simply ignore the question and answer what they *want* to answer?  They VERY often do that when they either don't know, don't understand the question, or feel like they have something to hide.  He didn't do that, in my opinion.

    So, even though his presentation itself wasn't great, I think he at
    least showed he's capable of comprehending the issues and making sound decisions and leading, at least from a foreign policy perspective.  I
    can't help but imagine how Trump would respond to the same set of questions... you know, the guy that admittedly only heard of NATO after
    he became president.

    Unless and until there is another credible candidate on the dem side
    this is about Biden vs. Trump, and on the things that matter I still
    think that Biden is the superior choice.  His performance at least told
    me he's good enough, and as I've said he has a team to fall back on...
    most of what you see during the campaign today is theatrics anyway and
    has no relationship to the job itself.

    It's almost like a symphony musician playing an audition.  They can be simply wonderful (or terrible) at playing solos in front of the judges,
    it has almost no bearing on how well they will perform day-to-day in the orchestra along with other musicians playing the same sheet of music.
    Yet that's how they're judged and that's how they get the job.  The
    audition is an illusion.

    Four more years pause!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 13 22:33:05 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 13.7.2024 klo 20.38:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:


    Four more years pause!

    I'm more confident that Joe will win the election now than I've been in months.  It's a huge boon to him that all the experts and celebs are counting him out... best publicity he could get.

    Not sure if I follow the logic here. So celebs telling that he's a
    vegetable & 72% of American people polling that he's not cognitively up
    to the task is positive? 36% approval rating. 2/3 of Americans saying he
    should step aside...

    Pretty hard to win with those numbers. Even against Trump.

    As for your previous post... I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on an
    obvious puppet... while not knowing who really runs the office of
    presidency. Maybe it would be ok for Finnish president who has almost
    zero power but US president has great power since he signs laws & makes
    crucial policies on his own through executive orders.

    Even if you'd argue that Biden is still making the decisions, I'd argue
    that someone in his state can be easily manipulated by inner circle. In addition, unlikely that he'd serve the full term and nobody really likes
    Kamala now do they?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 14 00:46:16 2024
    jdeluise kirjoitti 13.7.2024 klo 23.54:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    jdeluise kirjoitti 13.7.2024 klo 20.38:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Four more years pause!
    I'm more confident that Joe will win the election now than I've been
    in months.  It's a huge boon to him that all the experts and celebs
    are counting him out... best publicity he could get.

    Not sure if I follow the logic here. So celebs telling that he's a
    vegetable & 72% of American people polling that he's not cognitively
    up to the task is positive? 36% approval rating. 2/3 of Americans
    saying he should step aside...

    At least right now it's getting the attention off Trump and on Biden.
    And these "expert" reports of Biden's cadaverhood are standing in sharp relief to what seems to be his typical reality; He had another
    well-delivered speech at a campaign rally yesterday.  I think it's
    making Biden look like a fighting underdog, and that seems to be a
    really important quality to have to an American audience.  Trump was
    getting that and some sympathy from all the legal issues and the wait
    for the Supreme Court ruling.  Now he's basically out of the news cycle except for fighting the perception of his obvious association with
    "Project 2025".


    I don't think "well-delivered campaign speech" is worth anything. As I speculated previously, that's the only thing he can still do somewhat convincingly... read from a prompter.


    Pretty hard to win with those numbers. Even against Trump.

    As for your previous post... I wouldn't feel comfortable voting on an
    obvious puppet... while not knowing who really runs the office of
    presidency. Maybe it would be ok for Finnish president who has almost
    zero power but US president has great power since he signs laws &
    makes crucial policies on his own through executive orders.

    Even if you'd argue that Biden is still making the decisions, I'd
    argue that someone in his state can be easily manipulated by inner
    circle.  In addition, unlikely that he'd serve the full term and
    nobody really likes Kamala now do they?

    It's all about beating Trump, because he would be far worse than Joe in
    a coma.  The shit Trump wants to do with "Project 2025" is simply chilling.  Look, I don't think there is enough belief that Kamala could
    beat him, she's extraordinarily unpopular.  Anyone else is "unvetted"
    and it's simply too late to risk it.

    Coming from a vegetarian...
    :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)