1 player dominance can be detrimental to tennis, but he is so amazingly talented crowds will flock to watch him no matter what. It's possible he
has 10 slams to his name while he's still 21. Imagine if that happened?
Is that a good thing for tennis?
I know people are saying Sinner and Alcaraz will dominate and share the
slams but I'm really not sold on Sinner as an equal to Alcaraz. To me
it looks like this is as good as Sinner will ever be. It's a very high level, but it's well below Alcaraz. I think Sinner will be like Murray,
win a handful of slams when Carlos falters.
I also think Alcaraz can get a lot better, mainly around strategy/experience. There's nothing technical he can improve on except
the serve, which he improved during Wimbledon. He has so many options
that he never really focused on making his serve a huge consistent
weapon, but he may as well add serve bot to his arsenal.
I think going forward Carlos will take no chances in the slams and do whatever it takes to win. He's pretty much admitted he's gunning for 20+ slams, because that's the standard set by the big 3 and he sees himself
as the natural successor to those guys. Outside slams he can indulge in
his showboat antics as losses there mean nothing at his level.
1 player dominance can be detrimental to tennis, but he is so amazingly talented crowds will flock to watch him no matter what. It's possible he
has 10 slams to his name while he's still 21. Imagine if that happened?
Is that a good thing for tennis?
On 18/07/2024 2:39 am, Whisper wrote:> > > 1 player dominance can be detrimental to tennis, but he is so amazingly > talented crowds will flock to watch him no matter what. It's possible he > has 10 slams to his name while he's still 21. Imagine ifthat happened? > Is that a good thing for tennis?I mean 6 slams while 21, and 10 while 22 : )
I know people are saying Sinner and Alcaraz will dominate and share the slams but I'm really not sold on Sinner as an equal to Alcaraz. To me it looks like this is as good as Sinner will ever be. It's a very high level, but it's well below Alcaraz. Ithink Sinner will be like Murray, win a handful of slams when Carlos falters.I also think Alcaraz can get a lot better, mainly around strategy/experience. There's nothing technical he can improve on except the serve, which he improved during Wimbledon.
Whisper kirjoitti 17.7.2024 klo 19.39:
I know people are saying Sinner and Alcaraz will dominate and share
the slams but I'm really not sold on Sinner as an equal to Alcaraz.
To me it looks like this is as good as Sinner will ever be. It's a
very high level, but it's well below Alcaraz. I think Sinner will be
like Murray, win a handful of slams when Carlos falters.
I also think Alcaraz can get a lot better, mainly around
strategy/experience. There's nothing technical he can improve on
except the serve, which he improved during Wimbledon. He has so many
options that he never really focused on making his serve a huge
consistent weapon, but he may as well add serve bot to his arsenal.
I think going forward Carlos will take no chances in the slams and do
whatever it takes to win. He's pretty much admitted he's gunning for
20+ slams, because that's the standard set by the big 3 and he sees
himself as the natural successor to those guys. Outside slams he can
indulge in his showboat antics as losses there mean nothing at his level.
1 player dominance can be detrimental to tennis, but he is so
amazingly talented crowds will flock to watch him no matter what. It's
possible he has 10 slams to his name while he's still 21. Imagine if
that happened? Is that a good thing for tennis?
Yeah, I agree that Carlos is better than Sinner. And also that Sinner is Murray-talent level... which is not bad at all... Murray would have had
some slams more if not for Nadal & Djokovic.
I think Carlos will have some other competition though, in addition to Sinner. If he improves from here still...well, he's gonna be a nightmare
to beat. And after winning some more he'll develop an aura against the Davydenkos & Blakes of the tour...
On 7/17/24 10:15 AM, TT wrote:
Whisper kirjoitti 17.7.2024 klo 19.39:
I know people are saying Sinner and Alcaraz will dominate and share
the slams but I'm really not sold on Sinner as an equal to Alcaraz.
To me it looks like this is as good as Sinner will ever be. It's a
very high level, but it's well below Alcaraz. I think Sinner will be
like Murray, win a handful of slams when Carlos falters.
I also think Alcaraz can get a lot better, mainly around
strategy/experience. There's nothing technical he can improve on
except the serve, which he improved during Wimbledon. He has so many
options that he never really focused on making his serve a huge
consistent weapon, but he may as well add serve bot to his arsenal.
I think going forward Carlos will take no chances in the slams and do
whatever it takes to win. He's pretty much admitted he's gunning for
20+ slams, because that's the standard set by the big 3 and he sees
himself as the natural successor to those guys. Outside slams he can
indulge in his showboat antics as losses there mean nothing at his
level.
1 player dominance can be detrimental to tennis, but he is so
amazingly talented crowds will flock to watch him no matter what.
It's possible he has 10 slams to his name while he's still 21.
Imagine if that happened? Is that a good thing for tennis?
Yeah, I agree that Carlos is better than Sinner. And also that Sinner
is Murray-talent level... which is not bad at all... Murray would have
had some slams more if not for Nadal & Djokovic.
I think Carlos will have some other competition though, in addition to
Sinner.
Common sense tells me this is true, but I cannot yet see *anyone* on the horizon.
Do you see even an inkling of a serious and consistent threat?
Sawfish kirjoitti 17.7.2024 klo 20.50:
On 7/17/24 10:15 AM, TT wrote:
Whisper kirjoitti 17.7.2024 klo 19.39:
I know people are saying Sinner and Alcaraz will dominate and share
the slams but I'm really not sold on Sinner as an equal to Alcaraz.
To me it looks like this is as good as Sinner will ever be. It's a
very high level, but it's well below Alcaraz. I think Sinner will be
like Murray, win a handful of slams when Carlos falters.
I also think Alcaraz can get a lot better, mainly around
strategy/experience. There's nothing technical he can improve on
except the serve, which he improved during Wimbledon. He has so
many options that he never really focused on making his serve a huge
consistent weapon, but he may as well add serve bot to his arsenal.
I think going forward Carlos will take no chances in the slams and
do whatever it takes to win. He's pretty much admitted he's gunning
for 20+ slams, because that's the standard set by the big 3 and he
sees himself as the natural successor to those guys. Outside slams
he can indulge in his showboat antics as losses there mean nothing
at his level.
1 player dominance can be detrimental to tennis, but he is so
amazingly talented crowds will flock to watch him no matter what.
It's possible he has 10 slams to his name while he's still 21.
Imagine if that happened? Is that a good thing for tennis?
Yeah, I agree that Carlos is better than Sinner. And also that Sinner
is Murray-talent level... which is not bad at all... Murray would
have had some slams more if not for Nadal & Djokovic.
I think Carlos will have some other competition though, in addition
to Sinner.
Common sense tells me this is true, but I cannot yet see *anyone* on
the horizon.
Do you see even an inkling of a serious and consistent threat?
I guess Sinner & Djokovic at the moment. Meds. Zverev wasn't far at RG
final. Both Sinner & Zverev took him to 5 at RG. Tiafoe at Wimbledon. So
he's still having 5 set matches & not winning everything in sight.
Watched some interviews from his opponents, appeared that only Sinner
wasn't overly complimentary and telling how difficult opponent he is.
Let's wait and see.
And... if you build it, they will come.
Sawfish kirjoitti 17.7.2024 klo 20.50:
Do you see even an inkling of a serious and consistent threat?
I guess Sinner & Djokovic at the moment. Meds. Zverev wasn't far at RG
final. Both Sinner & Zverev took him to 5 at RG.
Tiafoe at Wimbledon. So
he's still having 5 set matches & not winning everything in sight.
Watched some interviews from his opponents, appeared that only Sinner
wasn't overly complimentary and telling how difficult opponent he is.
Let's wait and see.
And... if you build it, they will come.
On 7/17/24 10:15 AM, TT wrote:
Yeah, I agree that Carlos is better than Sinner. And also that Sinner
is Murray-talent level... which is not bad at all... Murray would have
had some slams more if not for Nadal & Djokovic.
I think Carlos will have some other competition though, in addition to
Sinner.
Common sense tells me this is true, but I cannot yet see *anyone* on the horizon.
Do you see even an inkling of a serious and consistent threat?
On 7/17/24 9:53 PM, TT wrote:
TT kirjoitti 17.7.2024 klo 22.43:
When he loses, he has to *cooperate* in his own demise in some fashion.
He has to be a bit off his game, physically--which he very seldom is for multiple sets--or he has to have some sort of a mental lapse. This might include a bit of quiet over-confidence that plays out as poor shot
selection. Sometimes he may lose focus in matches that have little
immediate meaning. But not quarterfinals upward.
I'm not aware of anyone at this point who can go out and *take* a match
from Alcaraz. Alcaraz has to give them parts of the match. A sloppy set
of tie-breaker, maybe.
On 7/18/24 2:36 AM, Whisper wrote:
Watched some interviews from his opponents, appeared that only Sinner
wasn't overly complimentary and telling how difficult opponent he is.
Let's wait and see.
And... if you build it, they will come.
Hopefully Sinner can sort his fitness issues out. He'll be more
dangerous v Carlos outside slams in bo3.
Sinner is basically a comparatively frail specimen. I think that right
now he is wringing everything that is there our of his physical abilities.
On 19/07/2024 12:17 am, Sawfish wrote:
On 7/18/24 2:36 AM, Whisper wrote:
Watched some interviews from his opponents, appeared that only
Sinner wasn't overly complimentary and telling how difficult
opponent he is. Let's wait and see.
And... if you build it, they will come.
Hopefully Sinner can sort his fitness issues out. He'll be more
dangerous v Carlos outside slams in bo3.
Sinner is basically a comparatively frail specimen. I think that right
now he is wringing everything that is there our of his physical
abilities.
Yes, but super talented before he hits the wall physically. He's never
won a match once it hits the 4 hour mark. This suggests slams may be
hard to come by unless he can win matches quickly and efficiently. I
still think he has a great grass game suited to winning Wimbledon -
remember he led Novak 2-0 a couple yrs ago. Problem is it may well be Carlos' best surface too so may need him to lose early here and there
when off his game/injured to get a look in.
On 7/18/24 9:52 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
more aggressive version of Murray...Something between Murray &No, Sinner is extremely fast on the court and his ground strokes are
Djokovic perhaps. Hell, let's put a James Blake in the mix! :))
awesome. Add to this an awesome server. Murray was a counter-puncher
Trying to recall them at their primes, but I think that both Rafa and
Murray were what I'd call "aggressive counter-punchers".
Sinner attempts to dictate the point more often than either of these
guys did.
What do you think?
On 18/07/2024 15:58, Whisper wrote:
On 19/07/2024 12:53 am, Whisper wrote:
Yes, but super talented before he hits the wall physically. He's
never won a match once it hits the 4 hour mark. This suggests slams
may be hard to come by unless he can win matches quickly and
efficiently. I still think he has a great grass game suited to
winning Wimbledon - remember he led Novak 2-0 a couple yrs ago.
Problem is it may well be Carlos' best surface too so may need him to
lose early here and there when off his game/injured to get a look in.
He looks like he'll have a Sampras type run at Wimbledon, in his case
he won 7 out of 8 years losing only to Krajicek. Carlos might better
that concentrated hot streak. Too early to speculate but he might do
to Wimbledon what Rafa did to FO : )
that would be AMAZING!
wonder if Sinner needs to do some Murray/Djoker-like conditioning, his
fading out in those 4 hours matches really reminds of that. Needs to do
some properly long runs.
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