We have many astute political and social observers here at RST, so all we need to do to get an expert, well-considered opinion is to simply ask a question, so, how about it: were Perot and Trump roughly the same contrarian symbol in the vast sea of USpolitics? If they were alike, in what ways? Dissimilar? In what ways?Who needs AI, huh?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Reality is that thing that does not go away when you stop believing in it."--Sawfish~~~~~
We have many astute political and social observers here at RST, so all
we need to do to get an expert, well-considered opinion is to simply ask
a question, so, how about it: were Perot and Trump roughly the same contrarian symbol in the vast sea of US politics? If they were alike, in
what ways? Dissimilar? In what ways?
Who needs AI, huh?
and they're there their entire lives.
On 1/11/25 6:11 PM, Scall5 wrote:
On 1/11/2025 12:23 PM, Sawfish wrote:
We have many astute political and social observers here at RST, so
all we need to do to get an expert, well-considered opinion is to
simply ask a question, so, how about it: were Perot and Trump roughly
the same contrarian symbol in the vast sea of US politics? If they
were alike, in what ways? Dissimilar? In what ways?
Who needs AI, huh?
Briefly, I greatly admire Ross Perot because:
1. He did something that hadn't happened in six or more decades; he
forced (or scared) the Demo/GOP duopoly to balance the federal budget!
2. He started a strong political third-party that is needed more than
ever in US politics/government. Granted his party eventually fell
apart, but at least it was around for a while!
Trump joined and then took over the GOP. Some of his viewpoints were
contrarian to the 1980's GOP but his love for excessive budgets was
right on par. Not to mentioned he allowed COVID shutdowns that would
have never happened with Reagan.
Perot was an outsider and Trump became an insider thru his GOP conquest.
But you see the paradox, Scall, right? Because Perot was on the outside,
it was--and pretty much is--impossible to him to acquire power under the current system, which is what one must work under until it's either
changed by re-writing the rules from within the system, or by revolution changing the rules from the outside of the system.
Let me ask you: do you think that at one point Trump was outside of the system as much as Perot? I do, personally.
Now working from this, at what point did Trump become a part of the system?
Can you name someone who had a legitimate chance at elected national
office (pres) who was outside of the system? I'm not being a smart ass,
but I'm having troubles ever seeing anyone. Maybe Teddy Roosevelt, but
you know, he was already pres and hence a part of the system, then later
went Bull Moose, but this was basically an insider coming back disguised
as an outsider, like Trump 2024.
The closest I'm coming is Huey Long.--
In Roman history, in the Republic, you had the Gracchuses (Gracchii?)
and Marius, then Julius Caesar. All these guys were populists. Sulla
was a counter-populist. These guys worked outside the system and in
doing so caused large scale social unrest/disruption.
On 1/11/2025 12:23 PM, Sawfish wrote:
We have many astute political and social observers here at RST, so all
we need to do to get an expert, well-considered opinion is to simply
ask a question, so, how about it: were Perot and Trump roughly the
same contrarian symbol in the vast sea of US politics? If they were
alike, in what ways? Dissimilar? In what ways?
Who needs AI, huh?
Briefly, I greatly admire Ross Perot because:
1. He did something that hadn't happened in six or more decades; he
forced (or scared) the Demo/GOP duopoly to balance the federal budget!
2. He started a strong political third-party that is needed more than
ever in US politics/government. Granted his party eventually fell apart,
but at least it was around for a while!
Trump joined and then took over the GOP. Some of his viewpoints were contrarian to the 1980's GOP but his love for excessive budgets was
right on par. Not to mentioned he allowed COVID shutdowns that would
have never happened with Reagan.
Perot was an outsider and Trump became an insider thru his GOP conquest.
On 12/01/2025 4.11, Scall5 wrote:
On 1/11/2025 12:23 PM, Sawfish wrote:
We have many astute political and social observers here at RST, so
all we need to do to get an expert, well-considered opinion is to
simply ask a question, so, how about it: were Perot and Trump roughly
the same contrarian symbol in the vast sea of US politics? If they
were alike, in what ways? Dissimilar? In what ways?
Who needs AI, huh?
Briefly, I greatly admire Ross Perot because:
1. He did something that hadn't happened in six or more decades; he
forced (or scared) the Demo/GOP duopoly to balance the federal budget!
Maybe. Maybe not. The credit for actually doing it, giving you the last surplus budget goes to Mr Clinton, though. The rule of thumb is: The GOP blows it up, Demmies are called in to fix stuffs.
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