• Re: OT: Liberation Day -- what it means

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sun Apr 6 23:38:11 2025
    On 06/04/2025 22.05, Sawfish wrote:
    When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of
    the magnitude of Reagan's movement from Keynesian economics to supply side.

    In a way, it is the commodities version of Trump's philosophy on
    immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over who/what comes into this country than is the current policy.

    We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it looks
    like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very complex. There's
    the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the threat to
    manufacturing and even service jobs.

    Trump has pretty much said what he wants. He wants to do away with the
    federal income tax. DOGE, border taxes, Project 2025 are all pieces of
    that puzzle.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/20/economy/trump-abolish-irs/index.html https://taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/we-may-be-watching-death-federal-income-tax

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to jdeluise on Sun Apr 6 16:52:26 2025
    On 4/6/2025 4:11 PM, jdeluise wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of
    the magnitude of Reagan's movement from Keynesian economics to supply
    side.

    In a way, it is the commodities version of Trump's philosophy on
    immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over
    who/what comes into this country than is the current policy.

    We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it
    looks like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very
    complex. There's the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the
    threat to manufacturing and even service jobs.

    You're overthinking it.  This is all for show for his personal
    relationships with leaders of other nations.  If he really wanted
    tariffs to be effective as stated, he would have laid the groundwork for
    them during the first years of his term and execute on them in the
    latter half.  I do not believe that companies are going to take the
    gamble to bring an industrial presence back to the US if they do not
    believe the tariffs are going to last.  And Trump has done a lot of
    damage to that idea by continually "adjusting" his stance on whether
    they are negotiable or not.

    In any case, his idea of "negotiation" is a few rounds of russian
    roulette while strapped to a chair.  Not good for business...

    I agree. At this point I hope this doesn't create anything worse than a
    short mild recession. Not a good thought.
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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 7 02:35:36 2025
    jdeluise kirjoitti 7.4.2025 klo 0.11:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

    When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of
    the magnitude of Reagan's movement from Keynesian economics to supply
    side.

    In a way, it is the commodities version of Trump's philosophy on
    immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over
    who/what comes into this country than is the current policy.

    We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it
    looks like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very
    complex. There's the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the
    threat to manufacturing and even service jobs.

    You're overthinking it.  This is all for show for his personal
    relationships with leaders of other nations.  If he really wanted
    tariffs to be effective as stated, he would have laid the groundwork for
    them during the first years of his term and execute on them in the
    latter half.  I do not believe that companies are going to take the
    gamble to bring an industrial presence back to the US if they do not
    believe the tariffs are going to last.  And Trump has done a lot of
    damage to that idea by continually "adjusting" his stance on whether
    they are negotiable or not.

    In any case, his idea of "negotiation" is a few rounds of russian
    roulette while strapped to a chair.  Not good for business...

    Trump wants world leaders to kiss his ring.

    This stuff can't be even legal, blackmailing countries & leaders around
    the world. One man can fuck up world economy like this. Do you guys live
    in a dictatorship or what?

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 7 02:28:13 2025
    Sawfish kirjoitti 6.4.2025 klo 22.05:
    When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of
    the magnitude of Reagan's movement from Keynesian economics to supply side.

    In a way, it is the commodities version of Trump's philosophy on
    immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over who/what comes into this country than is the current policy.

    We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it looks
    like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very complex. There's
    the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the threat to
    manufacturing and even service jobs.

    I don't think these tariffs will last long. The stock market is dropping
    5% average per day since liberation. Monday's S&P 500 futures in Asia
    down 4.5% so far. I wonder if Cramer was for once in his life correct
    and this will become another Black Monday...

    Not sure where the bottom will be. I have a feeling we're not anywhere
    close to it unless the fall is interrupted by very good tariff news.

    I'm eyeing S&P 400 midcaps, on Friday down 25% from November high.
    Probably -30% today...

    Crazy stuff.

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  • From TT@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 7 02:53:20 2025
    TT kirjoitti 7.4.2025 klo 2.28:
    Sawfish kirjoitti 6.4.2025 klo 22.05:
    When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of
    the magnitude of Reagan's movement from Keynesian economics to supply
    side.

    In a way, it is the commodities version of Trump's philosophy on
    immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over who/
    what comes into this country than is the current policy.

    We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it
    looks like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very complex.
    There's the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the threat to
    manufacturing and even service jobs.

    I don't think these tariffs will last long. The stock market is dropping
    5% average per day since liberation. Monday's S&P 500 futures in Asia
    down 4.5% so far. I wonder if Cramer was for once in his life correct
    and this will become another Black Monday...

    Not sure where the bottom will be. I have a feeling we're not anywhere
    close to it unless the fall is interrupted by very good tariff news.

    I'm eyeing S&P 400 midcaps, on Friday down 25% from November high.
    Probably -30% today...

    Crazy stuff.

    The Nikkei 225 and Topix futures, key Japanese stock market indices, hit
    their trading limit down, triggering a suspension to prevent further
    rapid declines, as noted in the CME Group and CGTN context.

    This sharp drop follows a 9% decline in Singapore Nikkei futures,
    reflecting broader market turmoil likely tied to global economic concerns

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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Mon Apr 7 08:32:58 2025
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    jdeluise kirjoitti 7.4.2025 klo 0.11:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> >> When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of>> the magnitude of Reagan's movement from Keynesian economics to supply>> side.>>>> In a way, it is
    the commodities version of Trump's philosophy on>> immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over>> who/what comes into this country than is the current policy.>>>> We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it>>
    looks like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very>> complex. There's the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the>> threat to manufacturing and even service jobs.> > You're overthinking it. This is all for show for his personal >
    relationships with leaders of other nations. If he really wanted > tariffs to be effective as stated, he would have laid the groundwork for > them during the first years of his term and execute on them in the > latter half. I do not believe that
    companies are going to take the > gamble to bring an industrial presence back to the US if they do not > believe the tariffs are going to last. And Trump has done a lot of > damage to that idea by continually "adjusting" his stance on whether > they are
    negotiable or not.> > In any case, his idea of "negotiation" is a few rounds of russian > roulette while strapped to a chair. Not good for business...Trump wants world leaders to kiss his ring.This stuff can't be even legal, blackmailing countries &
    leaders around the world. One man can fuck up world economy like this. Do you guys live in a dictatorship or what?



    Lol
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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Mon Apr 7 08:34:40 2025
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    TT kirjoitti 7.4.2025 klo 2.28:> Sawfish kirjoitti 6.4.2025 klo 22.05:>> When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of >> the magnitude of Reagan's movement from Keynesian economics to supply >> side.>>>> In a way, it is the
    commodities version of Trump's philosophy on >> immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over who/ >> what comes into this country than is the current policy.>>>> We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it >>
    looks like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very complex. >> There's the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the threat to >> manufacturing and even service jobs.> > I don't think these tariffs will last long. The stock market is
    dropping > 5% average per day since liberation. Monday's S&P 500 futures in Asia > down 4.5% so far. I wonder if Cramer was for once in his life correct > and this will become another Black Monday...> > Not sure where the bottom will be. I have a feeling
    we're not anywhere > close to it unless the fall is interrupted by very good tariff news.> > I'm eyeing S&P 400 midcaps, on Friday down 25% from November high.> Probably -30% today...> > Crazy stuff.The Nikkei 225 and Topix futures, key Japanese stock
    market indices, hit their trading limit down, triggering a suspension to prevent further rapid declines, as noted in the CME Group and CGTN context.This sharp drop follows a 9% decline in Singapore Nikkei futures, reflecting broader market turmoil likely
    tied to global economic concerns





    Maybe you should read some real stuff?


    https://infostormer.com/trillions-of-dollars-in-value-erased-from-the-stock-market/





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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to TT@dprk.kp on Mon Apr 7 22:18:44 2025
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
    *skriptis kirjoitti 7.4.2025 klo 9.34:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> TT kirjoitti 7.4.2025 klo 2.28:> Sawfish kirjoitti 6.4.2025 klo 22.05:>> When you get right down to it, it is a macroeconomic paradigm shift of >> the magnitude of Reagan's
    movement from Keynesian economics to supply >> side.>>>> In a way, it is the commodities version of Trump's philosophy on >> immigration, in that he seems to want much greater control over who/ >> what comes into this country than is the current policy.>>
    We're just going to have to see how this plays out. Me, so far it >> looks like a solution in search of a problem. But it's very complex. >> There's the benefit to consumers in free trade versus the threat to >> manufacturing and even service jobs.> >
    I don't think these tariffs will last long. The stock market is dropping > 5% average per day since liberation. Monday's S&P 500 futures in Asia > down 4.5% so far. I wonder if Cramer was for once in his life correct > and this will become another Black
    Monday...> > Not sure where the bottom will be. I have a feeling we're not anywhere > close to it unless the fall is interrupted by very good tariff news.> > I'm eyeing S&P 400 midcaps, on Friday down 25% from November high.> Probably -30% today...> >
    Crazy stuff.The Nikkei 225 and Topix futures, key Japanese stock market indices, hit their trading limit down, triggering a suspension to prevent further rapid declines, as noted in the CME Group and CGTN context.This sharp drop follows a 9% decline in
    Singapore Nikkei futures, reflecting broader market turmoil likely tied to global economic concerns> > > > > > Maybe you should read some real stuff?> > > https://infostormer.com/trillions-of-dollars-in-value-erased-from-the-stock-market/> I wouldn't
    praise much that thrown-together "article"...2/10



    This is the one actually.

    9/10


    https://infostormer.com/stock-market-takes-enormous-dump-after-tariffs/



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