• Re:OT: Trump and the Judiciary

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Apr 25 18:50:39 2025
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    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/breaking/2025/04/25/milwaukee-county-judge-hannah-dugan-arrested-by-feds-at-courthouse/83270885007/YEOW!!!To the best of my knowledge this has never happened before in the US.Hang on tight, fellow Americans!:^)




    So you think she's innocent or?
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  • From *skriptis@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Fri Apr 25 21:09:59 2025
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    On 4/25/25 9:50 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/breaking/2025/04/25/milwaukee-county-judge-hannah-dugan-arrested-by-feds-at-courthouse/83270885007/YEOW!!!To the best of my
    knowledge this has never happened before in the US.Hang on tight, fellow Americans!:^)> > > > > So you think she's innocent or?Hah, hah! Not the issue I'm addressing, skript! :^)But I'm glad you responded, and here's the deal, as I see it...Trump is
    testing the power of the executive branch, which is basically rule by decree. He's not unique, but where he's different is that his decrees look as if he wants them to be taken as permanent US policy--which requires congressional approval via legislative
    act.Before he was inaugurated for his 2nd term, I got to thinking about what I might need to be aware of as plausible possibilities I'd need to prepare for. So my thinking was, given having observed Trump since 2016, was that he is more likely than not
    to resist surrendering the presidency at the end of his term in 2028. If so, what might I look for as indicators that I need to be properly positioned, as best I can.He'd need the backing of the military, so I'd need to look for some form of changes in
    the upper command structure, installing people who might be loyal to him, personally. He might also grant special favors/benefits to members of the military--Roman style.So far I've seen him install a new chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and a Sec
    of Defense. I don't know the specifics of how deep their loyalty may be, but am guessing it's significant because he'd install other who *are* close to him instead of the two people he has now. He is defending Hegseth against charges of incompetence (and
    he's either incompetent or stubbornly intransigent--and I think this demonstrates that Trump wants this particular guy in place, in spite of the political embarrassment.One might also read Trump's purge of the military of any trans people as dumping
    those in the military most likely to oppose him in case of a showdown. Too early to tell, but...The next big thing besides cultivating military favor is if he would simply ignore court orders that he didn't like. He has indeed done that, and by having
    the FBI today arrest a judge who is obviously opposed to Trump's immigration policies, he's not only ignoring court orders, but has taken the first step in actively intimidating the judiciary.It's getting possible to picture nervous progressive judges
    now wondering if the FBI will arrest them in their homes at 3 AM, frogmarch them, hooded, into a military aircraft, then send them to El Salvador for imprisonment and other festivities.Multiculturalism, indeed...Now, there are those here in the US who
    like to posture as concerned morally outraged citizens by claiming that US democracy is in danger; the founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves. This is disingenuous because the representative democracy they set up has eroded from a sort of
    limited electoral suffrage (property holders, etc., and by no means the landless, or non-citizens) to an uncontrolled, unaccountable rabble, like French peasants being led by Robespierre.So, yep, things are changing--basically this means I need to learn
    new rules of survival/success--but let's not kid ourselves that we're losing a functioning democracy. We're maybe going to lose a system based on recognition of popular acclaim (or whimsy), and replace it with a more centralized authoritarian system that
    will need to make up rules as it goes along--again, making it inconvenient for people like me because things are less predictable.Ultimately it make not work, at all, but I expect that any major national collapse will happen after I'm gone. But maybe not.
    ..maybe no collapse, or an earlier collapse.



    If you were wise you'd want all the fun to happen *before* you're gone.


    Now jokes aside, clearly I support his actions in this case as he's reclaiming power from those who are unelected.

    Little bit of intimidating is always welcome.





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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to sawfish666@gmail.com on Sat Apr 26 14:38:19 2025
    In article <vugnto$lv8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/25 12:09 PM, *skriptis wrote:
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    On 4/25/25 9:50 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/breaking/2025/04/25/milwaukee-county-judge-hannah-dugan-arrested-by-feds-at-courthouse/83270885007/YEOW!!!To
    the best of my knowledge this has never happened before in the US.Hang on tight, fellow Americans!:^)> > > > > So you think she's innocent or?Hah, hah! Not the issue I'm addressing, skript! :^)But I'm glad you responded, and here's the
    deal, as I see it...Trump is testing the power of the executive branch, which is basically rule by decree. He's not unique, but where he's different is that his decrees look as if he wants them to be taken as permanent US policy--which
    requires congressional approval via legislative act.Before he was inaugurated for his 2nd term, I got to thinking about what I might need to be aware of as plausible possibilities I'd need to prepare for. So my thinking was, given having
    observed Trump since 2016, was that he is more likely than not to resist surrendering the presidency at the end of his term in 2028. If so, what might I look for as indicators that I need to be properly positioned, as best I can.He'd
    need the backing of the military, so I'd need to look for some form of changes in the upper command structure, installing people who might be loyal to him, personally. He might also grant special favors/benefits to members of the
    military--Roman style.So far I've seen him install a new chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and a Sec of Defense. I don't know the specifics of how deep their loyalty may be, but am guessing it's significant because he'd install
    other who *are* close to him instead of the two people he has now. He is defending Hegseth against charges of incompetence (and he's either incompetent or stubbornly intransigent--and I think this demonstrates that Trump wants this
    particular guy in place, in spite of the political embarrassment.One might also read Trump's purge of the military of any trans people as dumping those in the military most likely to oppose him in case of a showdown. Too early to tell,
    but...The next big thing besides cultivating military favor is if he would simply ignore court orders that he didn't like. He has indeed done that, and by having the FBI today arrest a judge who is obviously opposed to Trump's
    immigration policies, he's not only ignoring court orders, but has taken the first step in actively intimidating the judiciary.It's getting possible to picture nervous progressive judges now wondering if the FBI will arrest them in their
    homes at 3 AM, frogmarch them, hooded, into a military aircraft, then send them to El Salvador for imprisonment and other festivities.Multiculturalism, indeed...Now, there are those here in the US who like to posture as concerned morally
    outraged citizens by claiming that US democracy is in danger; the founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves. This is disingenuous because the representative democracy they set up has eroded from a sort of limited electoral
    suffrage (property holders, etc., and by no means the landless, or non-citizens) to an uncontrolled, unaccountable rabble, like French peasants being led by Robespierre.So, yep, things are changing--basically this means I need to learn
    new rules of survival/success--but let's not kid ourselves that we're losing a functioning democracy. We're maybe going to lose a system based on recognition of popular acclaim (or whimsy), and replace it with a more centralized
    authoritarian system that will need to make up rules as it goes along--again, making it inconvenient for people like me because things are less predictable.Ultimately it make not work, at all, but I expect that any major national
    collapse will happen after I'm gone. But maybe not...maybe no collapse, or an earlier collapse.



    If you were wise you'd want all the fun to happen *before* you're gone.

    Hah, hah, hah...!


    Now jokes aside, clearly I support his actions in this case as he's reclaiming power from those who are unelected.

    Nonsense. Judge Dugan was elected.


    Little bit of intimidating is always welcome.

    See? This is all new ground for the US, at least within my lifetime, and
    it causes these market fluctuations, and of course these make me nervous.

    All Trump has done so far is give a bunch of ridiculous executive orders and then mostly walked them back. Amateur hour. Not to say serious damage can't be done, or hasn't been done already. To both the country and the world.


    ...but not *too* nervous.

    If I could have everything the way I'd want it, given I'm in a complex >society, I'd like to be left the fuck alone (and be able to count on it)
    and then to maximize asset accumulation, preferably in secret.

    Really...is that too much to ask?... ;^)







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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to sawfish666@gmail.com on Sat Apr 26 18:58:43 2025
    In article <vuitfp$2krr6$2@dont-email.me>,
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/26/25 7:38 AM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <vugnto$lv8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/25 12:09 PM, *skriptis wrote:

    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

    On 4/25/25 9:50 AM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/breaking/2025/04/25/milwaukee-county-judge-hannah-dugan-arrested-by-feds-at-courthouse/83270885007/YEOW!!!To
    the best of my knowledge this has never happened before in the US.Hang on tight, fellow Americans!:^)> > > > > So you think she's innocent or?Hah, hah! Not the issue I'm addressing, skript! :^)But I'm glad you responded, and here's the
    deal, as I see it...Trump is testing the power of the executive branch, which is basically rule by decree. He's not unique, but where he's different is that his decrees look as if he wants them to be taken as permanent US policy--which
    requires congressional approval via legislative act.Before he was inaugurated for his 2nd term, I got to thinking about what I might need to be aware of as plausible possibilities I'd need to prepare for. So my thinking was, given having
    observed Trump since 2016, was that he is more likely than not to resist surrendering the presidency at the end of his term in 2028. If so, what might I look for as indicators that I need to be properly positioned, as best I can.He'd
    need the backing of the military, so I'd need to look for some form of changes in the upper command structure, installing people who might be loyal to him, personally. He might also grant special favors/benefits to members of the
    military--Roman style.So far I've seen him install a new chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and a Sec of Defense. I don't know the specifics of how deep their loyalty may be, but am guessing it's significant because he'd install
    other who *are* close to him instead of the two people he has now. He is defending Hegseth against charges of incompetence (and he's either incompetent or stubbornly intransigent--and I think this demonstrates that Trump wants this
    particular guy in place, in spite of the political embarrassment.One might also read Trump's purge of the military of any trans people as dumping those in the military most likely to oppose him in case of a showdown. Too early to tell,
    but...The next big thing besides cultivating military favor is if he would simply ignore court orders that he didn't like. He has indeed done that, and by having the FBI today arrest a judge who is obviously opposed to Trump's
    immigration policies, he's not only ignoring court orders, but has taken the first step in actively intimidating the judiciary.It's getting possible to picture nervous progressive judges now wondering if the FBI will arrest them in their
    homes at 3 AM, frogmarch them, hooded, into a military aircraft, then send them to El Salvador for imprisonment and other festivities.Multiculturalism, indeed...Now, there are those here in the US who like to posture as concerned morally
    outraged citizens by claiming that US democracy is in danger; the founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves. This is disingenuous because the representative democracy they set up has eroded from a sort of limited electoral
    suffrage (property holders, etc., and by no means the landless, or non-citizens) to an uncontrolled, unaccountable rabble, like French peasants being led by Robespierre.So, yep, things are changing--basically this means I need to learn
    new rules of survival/success--but let's not kid ourselves that we're losing a functioning democracy. We're maybe going to lose a system based on recognition of popular acclaim (or whimsy), and replace it with a more centralized
    authoritarian system that will need to make up rules as it goes along--again, making it inconvenient for people like me because things are less predictable.Ultimately it make not work, at all, but I expect that any major national
    collapse will happen after I'm gone. But maybe not...maybe no collapse, or an earlier collapse.







    If you were wise you'd want all the fun to happen *before* you're gone.



    Hah, hah, hah...!





    Now jokes aside, clearly I support his actions in this case as he's reclaiming power from those who are unelected.


    Nonsense. Judge Dugan was elected.



    Little bit of intimidating is always welcome.



    See? This is all new ground for the US, at least within my lifetime, and

    it causes these market fluctuations, and of course these make me nervous. >>

    All Trump has done so far is give a bunch of ridiculous executive orders and then mostly walked them back. Amateur hour. Not to say serious damage can't be done, or hasn't been done already. To both the country and the world.



    ...but not *too* nervous.



    If I could have everything the way I'd want it, given I'm in a complex

    society, I'd like to be left the fuck alone (and be able to count on it)

    and then to maximize asset accumulation, preferably in secret.



    Really...is that too much to ask?... ;^)














    Good to hear from you, b!

    You'll be pleased to hear that most of my money has come back to
    me

    That's good. Mine too.

    ...but who wants to live like that, huh? ;^)

    Unless there's some bigger plan (doubtful) I'd rather not repeat this little episode :-)

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