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On 5/8/25 4:59 PM, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:>> Well, he's a pro-vax, anti-Trump, anti-Vance pope. Laura Loomer, one of Trump's closest advisors, called him a "woke, marxist pope". Doesn't sound like a big win
for Trump to me..> > > Emperors have been installing popes since...ever.> > Even if you disregard politics altogether, at the most superficial level, as Trump said, it's a great honour for him personally and for America to have a pope. Elected during his
reign.> > You know he likes that kind of stuff. Taking credits and being praised. He could have pushed for it just for those reasons alone.> > > > > > Trump recently announced he'd celebrate ww1 and ww2 victory days (November 11 and May 8) with military
parades?> > > God is often humorous with numbers and meanings.> > > On May 8, 1945 in Europe, German Reich surrendered to the US.> > On May 8, 2025, exactly 80 years later, US enters Vatican.> > Funny.> > > > > May 9 is victory day in Russia though.> >
That too is kinda hilarious. The fact that western/eastern schism affects dates, and calenders, not only of e.g. church feasts but something like this, making common victory day celebrations impossible.> > > "Both the Reims and Berlin instruments of
surrender stipulated that forces under German control to cease active operations at 23:01 hours CET on 8 May 1945. However, due to the difference in Central European and Moscow time zones, the end of war is celebrated on 9 May in the Soviet Union and
most post-Soviet countries."> > Diverging here into to separate considerations I'd like your views on:1) Clerical celibacy. I never thought too much about this, but as I recall an early pope made this policy simply to try to demonstrate serious spiritual
commitment of the clergy. I think that on the whole it works against getting respect from the parishioners. I think that not marrying would be OK, but let's not imply that our intermediary to god is a eunuch or a sodomite. It would be worthy if he could
party down like any normal male, but would be expected to be the model of discretion.2) It dawned on me today that one of the mean-spirited policies Trump is implementing is that he is systematically destroying the long-standing sinecures of the left. It'
s his little way of sticking it to them for all the stuff since 2016.Think of it: blasts away the bureaucratic lifetime job security positions, cuts grants to universities, and is trying to dissolve NPR and the endowment for the Arts. These are all at
least partly funded by public moneys (taxes/fees) and are free to go about advancing whatever pet philosophy, no matter how repugnant to the public who funds it, it might be.
I am not sure what to say on 2).
I guess he's doing that but it's normal?
You deprive your enemies of...power?
Just like in tennis, you try to deprive your opponent of his time, positioning etc.
As for 1) it's an interesting issue.
I will say, during socialism and Yugoslavia, I guess government was doing what you just did or said?
Remember that was not really a woke regime in present day sense, even if their origins (leftism) are the same. It was old school socialist government that was pretty much homophobic in some ways and that was the line of attack against the church and
clergy.
Essentially authorities allowed, if not openly encouraged people to mock the church, clergy for "not marrying, for wearing dresses, for not fucking women" and ultimately implying they're crypto gays or simply weirdos.
I guess that coincided with sexual revolution and it had effect on entire generation of young people and several generations after them.
Will that last forever? Probably not to the same extent, as society has undergone that process and taboo has been broken. You can't break it twice.
So with that out of the picture, in all time sense, the truth is that celibacy does add something to the prestige of the clergy. At least in theory.
You have a man commited to his flock, being without family, you know he has no one more important in his life.
What would it feel like if Pope came to his window at St. Peter's Square sending religious and spiritual messages and tomorrow is spotted by the paparazzi with his wife and kids at the zoo?
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