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littor...@gmail.com wrote:

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I dunno. I like how it openly challenges OoA purity but at the same
time it's switching one linear model for another.

Africa no doubt played a huge role in forming modern humans, just
not in any way, shape & form imagined in this piece nor any other
splayed across the media. Africa was AT LEAST as diverse as
Eurasia. There was never "a" people of Africa. It's like claiming that
the Irish are identical to the Koreans, the French part of the same
population as the Japanese...

What we think of as "African" people today is really the Bantu people,
and they seem better grouped with Eurasians than with other
African populations...

Problem is, this all happened far later. I mean, bipedalism was "Up"
and running, tool use and even tool making was a thing AND THEN
Africa joined the fray.

Human origins isn't a place, is what I guess I'm saying. It's a process.
It's an interaction. ''



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On 12.1.2022. 20:46, I Envy JTEM wrote:

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/mankind-arose-europe-not-africa-021987

I dunno. I like how it openly challenges OoA purity but at the same
time it's switching one linear model for another.

Africa no doubt played a huge role in forming modern humans, just
not in any way, shape & form imagined in this piece nor any other
splayed across the media. Africa was AT LEAST as diverse as
Eurasia. There was never "a" people of Africa. It's like claiming that
the Irish are identical to the Koreans, the French part of the same population as the Japanese...

What we think of as "African" people today is really the Bantu people,
and they seem better grouped with Eurasians than with other
African populations...

Problem is, this all happened far later. I mean, bipedalism was "Up"
and running, tool use and even tool making was a thing AND THEN
Africa joined the fray.

Human origins isn't a place, is what I guess I'm saying. It's a process.
It's an interaction. ''

Well, I would like to congratulate to you on this nice resume.
Of course, just like with every other bloody animal in this world, it
*isn't* a continent, it is a niche. Eagles fly in Africa, Euroasia and Americas, but always in their own niche. This goes for other animals, too.
And our niche is coastline, sea coastline, rocky sea coastline at the
beginning, Red Sea the very source.

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Op woensdag 12 januari 2022 om 20:46:52 UTC+1 schreef I Envy JTEM:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/mankind-arose-europe-not-africa-021987

I dunno. I like how it openly challenges OoA purity but at the same
time it's switching one linear model for another.

IMO schematically:
-earliest aquarboreal hominoids lived in Tethys Ocean coastal forests,
-c 15 Ma: Mesopotamian Seaway closure: pongids East, hominids West:
-Miocene hominids s.l. along the Med.=Tethys-Sea, e.g. Trachilos on Crete, -Mio-Pliocene hominids s.s. along the Red Sea-coasts:
HP/G split c 8 Ma: Gorilla-Praeanthropus afarensis->boisei along the Rift,
H/P split c 5 Ma: Pan-Australopithecus aufricanus->robustus along E.Afr. Pliocene Homo still in the Red Sea? island?? Danakil???
early-Pleist.Homo on Java etc.

Yes, late-Pleist.H.sapiens probably came from Africa,
but mixed with Eurasian nenaderthals & denisovans.

Africa no doubt played a huge role in forming modern humans, just
not in any way, shape & form imagined in this piece nor any other
splayed across the media. Africa was AT LEAST as diverse as
Eurasia. There was never "a" people of Africa. It's like claiming that
the Irish are identical to the Koreans, the French part of the same population as the Japanese...

What we think of as "African" people today is really the Bantu people,
and they seem better grouped with Eurasians than with other
African populations...

Problem is, this all happened far later. I mean, bipedalism was "Up"
and running, tool use and even tool making was a thing AND THEN
Africa joined the fray.

Human origins isn't a place, is what I guess I'm saying. It's a process.
It's an interaction. ''

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Mario Petrinovic wrote:

Well, I would like to congratulate to you on this nice resume.
Of course, just like with every other bloody animal in this world, it
*isn't* a continent, it is a niche.

No it's even more complicated than that.

What humans are today is not what we were and it's certainly not
HOW we got this way...

Aquatic Ape, living on the waters edge was the catalyst. But it lead
to many niche populations. Groups were constantly peeling off that
waterside population. Whether expediency or necessity, groups
split off, learned to exploit new environments, spawning adaptations
which they in turn shared with nearby groups (interbreeding).

Like I've described in the past; it's a distributive computing model!

The ice age, the glacial/interglacial cycle would have forced this in
a way which, over geologic time, seemed quite regular...




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On 12.1.2022. 22:19, I Envy JTEM wrote:

Mario Petrinovic wrote:

Well, I would like to congratulate to you on this nice resume.
Of course, just like with every other bloody animal in this world, it
*isn't* a continent, it is a niche.

No it's even more complicated than that.

What humans are today is not what we were and it's certainly not
HOW we got this way...

Aquatic Ape, living on the waters edge was the catalyst. But it lead
to many niche populations. Groups were constantly peeling off that
waterside population. Whether expediency or necessity, groups
split off, learned to exploit new environments, spawning adaptations
which they in turn shared with nearby groups (interbreeding).

Like I've described in the past; it's a distributive computing model!

The ice age, the glacial/interglacial cycle would have forced this in
a way which, over geologic time, seemed quite regular...

I do agree with that. But, before that we were just like any other
species. Of course, we lived on a rocky sea coast. Adaptations to that
allowed us to move to other sea coasts, and finally, to lake and river
banks.
The use of fire made us the top species on the planet. The use of
language (and tools) even topper.

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On 13.1.2022. 2:27, I Envy JTEM wrote:

Mario Petrinovic wrote:

The use of fire made us the top species on the planet. The use of
language (and tools) even topper.

Fire bugs me.

It seems to me that fire would be a massive labor saver for Aquatic
Ape: You place shellfish in/near the fire, and they open as they
cook. If they don't open, they're bad and can poison you!

It's also a way to spread fire: It moved along the coast with our
ancestors, reaching every corner of the globe!

But I haven't seen this reflected in the archaeology. NOT that anyone
is looking...

Just like it was said on your link, the ancestor of Graecopithecus is
Ouranopithecus. How old is he? Ouranopithecus macedoniensis is 9.6 to
8.7 my old. When fire emerged? During Vallesian crisis, 9.6 mya. Around
the Mediterranean Sea.
Where does fire naturally occur? In Mediterranean type of ecology,
where you have pyrophytic plants, adapted to fire. Where is this? On
ocean coasts on the west side of continents, between 30 and 40 deg.
latitude.
So, we were living on sea coast, fire naturally occurs on sea coast, 2
+ 2 = 4. Yes, exactly just like you've said. But fire is beneficial in
more than one ways. If you burn the surroundings, you burn all the
vegetation behind which predator can hide. So, you burn for safety. Then
you find out that there is additional source of meat in the form of
burned little creatures, lizards and such, that cannot escape. Soon you
find out that a lot of animals (such are piglets) hide in nests. You
burn nest and you have food. Then you find out that apes and bears can
be on trees. These apes still aren't able to brachiate, so, just like orangutans that die when loggers cut the tree they are on, apes die if
you burn a tree they are on.
So, we have the occurrence of fire starting 9.6 mya, we have the
extinction of apes that live on trees in the same time. In the middle of
all this there is Tusco-Sardinian island which isn't affected by fire at
all, but humans don't live on it. As soon as this island touches the
land, the whole island is burned down.
You have more than enough evidence that humans started to burn the
planet 9.6 mya (they were already bipedal, obviously), the only thing
that you need to have to figure that out is more than two brain cells in
your skull.

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Mario Petrinovic wrote:

The use of fire made us the top species on the planet. The use of
language (and tools) even topper.

Fire bugs me.

It seems to me that fire would be a massive labor saver for Aquatic
Ape: You place shellfish in/near the fire, and they open as they
cook. If they don't open, they're bad and can poison you!

It's also a way to spread fire: It moved along the coast with our
ancestors, reaching every corner of the globe!

But I haven't seen this reflected in the archaeology. NOT that anyone
is looking...



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On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/mankind-arose-europe-not-africa-021987

Black Sea - Medit. Sea - Red Sea - Ituri rainforest

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