On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 5:22:56 AM UTC-4,
littor...@gmail.com wrote:
Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2021 om 06:32:46 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
My little boy, what is this ridiculous obsession of yours with gibbons??
I write a bit on human & hylobatid traits uniquely shared not found in coastal semiaquatics nor aquarboreal swamp anthropoids.
you don't think gibbons & humans are very close relatives???
All meaningless or expected:
1) External chin
gracilisation: frugivort / fire...
Bonobos are gracile frugivores with no chins, neanderthals had fire with no chin.
-bonobo 50 kg, 10 x hylabitds
You claim bonobos have POS now??
Central West African humans have much higher density than tall coastal & Rift East African humans. Which is gracile?
Nicht, meine kleine tochter, arboreals are less heavy than terrestrials, but only hylobatids and humans have chins.
-Hn semi-aquatic: projecting mid-face (ear exostoses, POS...)
They slept and started fires in water?
2) Monogamy-pair bonding (permanent or serial)
all early hominoids, see my book
Monogamy = yes in treeforks, not in arboreal bowl nests, serial in domeshields, permanent in dome huts.
???
See my notes.
3) Paternal teaching of locomotion: walk upright (Hy) / bicycle upright (Ho)
:-D see monogamy
Of course, but not in arboreal bowl nest groups!
???
There are no monogamous anthropoids which sleep in arboreal bowl nests.
4) Long thorax spinal vertebrae
brachiation / wading
No evidence of wading, huge evidence of obligate arboreal bipedal/bimanual orthogrady.
Huge evidence of late-Pleistocene Hs frequently wading.
Huge evidence of Mio-Pliocene hominoid aquarborealism.
In hylobatids, no evidence of wading.
5) No arboreal bowl nest construction
no lots of other things
Be relevant meine kleine tochter. Waar sliepen ze?
Don't you even know the difference between Dutch & Deutsch??
"ze": wie? wanneer?
Sorry, I thought you know Dutch. I meant of course, where did they sleep?
6) Always upright bipedal, no-hand walking
brachiation / wading
No evidence for wading, only fantasy. Why do you always ignore there walking orthograde on treebranches?? You suffer from invented memories?
Huge evidence of late-Pleistocene Hs frequently wading.
Holocene Pygmies wade daily, hylobatids don't, both drink from 2 cupped hands and have chins, unlike other waders & brachiators.
Orthograde tree-walking???
Cf hylobatids.
7) Inhabit zone above-around shallow crystalline streams, not swamps
drink
Inhabit.
???
You have difficulties in English too?
8) Have very long achilles tendon
vertical
Great apes are vertical climbers, gibbons lateral brachiators, AMHs lateral walkers/runners.
vertical
No sensible answer. How many littorals have very long Achilles tendons?
9) Do not swagger sideways while walking on level ground
vertical locomotion
??
???
Chimps have vertical locomotion but swagger side to side when bipedal, unlike humans & hylobatids.
10) Relatively fast bipedal striding gait
brachiation / walk-run
No running on tree branches. No fast wading.
brachiation / walk-run
Atelids are qpal unless carrying.
11) Very little sexual dimorphism in body size & canine size
monogamy
Not in arboreal bowl nests.
Song
Google
"Seafood, diving, song and speech".
Now you claim hylobatids learned to sing underwater?
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