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    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 2 06:16:48 2023
    Saint-Césaire, PA site in SW-France, where in 1979 the remains of a young adult male Hn were found buried in a small pit. The skeleton was recovered during archaeological salvage excavations at the back of the Roche-à-Pierrot rock shelter, near the
    village of Saint-Césaire. It was found in ass.x tools & other artifacts formerly ass.x only with early Hs, and not Hn. Despite the inland location of the site, a marine shell was found buried with the individual. ...

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Fri Feb 3 14:15:21 2023
    On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 06:16:48 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Saint-Césaire, PA site in SW-France, where in 1979 the remains of a young adult
    male Hn were found buried in a small pit. The skeleton was recovered during >archaeological salvage excavations at the back of the Roche-à-Pierrot rock shelter,
    near the village of Saint-Césaire. It was found in ass.x tools & other artifacts formerly
    ass.x only with early Hs, and not Hn. Despite the inland location of the site, >a marine shell was found buried with the individual. ...

    You can deduce all that (seasonal migration, piscivory) from a single
    marine shell?
    Amazing! You really are good.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 3 07:33:57 2023
    Kudu runner:

    Saint-Césaire, PA site in SW-France, where in 1979 the remains of a young adult
    male Hn were found buried in a small pit. The skeleton was recovered during >archaeological salvage excavations at the back of the Roche-à-Pierrot rock shelter,
    near the village of Saint-Césaire. It was found in ass.x tools & other artifacts formerly
    ass.x only with early Hs, and not Hn. Despite the inland location of the site,
    a marine shell was found buried with the individual. ...

    You can deduce all that (seasonal migration, piscivory) from a single
    marine shell?

    From a single shell??
    Ah? And why does our little boy think that?

    Amazing! You really are good.

    Thanks, my boy.
    Unfortunately I can't say the same about you... :-DDD

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sat Feb 4 11:31:40 2023
    On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 07:33:57 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Saint-Césaire, PA site in SW-France, where in 1979 the remains of a young adult
    male Hn were found buried in a small pit. The skeleton was recovered during >> >archaeological salvage excavations at the back of the Roche-à-Pierrot rock shelter,
    near the village of Saint-Césaire. It was found in ass.x tools & other artifacts formerly
    ass.x only with early Hs, and not Hn. Despite the inland location of the site,
    a marine shell was found buried with the individual. ...

    You can deduce all that (seasonal migration, piscivory) from a single
    marine shell?

    From a single shell??

    That's the only evidende you mention, while there really was much more
    context: https://www.si.edu/object/siris_sil_682543

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 05:19:27 2023
    Saint-Césaire, PA site in SW-France, where in 1979 the remains of a young adult
    male Hn were found buried in a small pit. The skeleton was recovered during
    archaeological salvage excavations at the back of the Roche-à-Pierrot rock shelter,
    near the village of Saint-Césaire. It was found in ass.x tools & other artifacts formerly
    ass.x only with early Hs, and not Hn. Despite the inland location of the site,
    a marine shell was found buried with the individual. ...

    Kudu runner:
    You can deduce all that (seasonal migration, piscivory) from a single
    marine shell?

    From a single shell??

    That's the only evidende you mention

    I'm not responsible for your selective reading... :-DDD

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sat Feb 4 15:41:05 2023
    On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 05:19:27 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Saint-Césaire, PA site in SW-France, where in 1979 the remains of a young adult
    male Hn were found buried in a small pit. The skeleton was recovered during
    archaeological salvage excavations at the back of the Roche-à-Pierrot rock shelter,
    near the village of Saint-Césaire. It was found in ass.x tools & other artifacts formerly
    ass.x only with early Hs, and not Hn. Despite the inland location of the site,
    a marine shell was found buried with the individual. ...

    Kudu runner:
    You can deduce all that (seasonal migration, piscivory) from a single
    marine shell?

    From a single shell??

    That's the only evidende you mention

    I'm not responsible for your selective reading... :-DDD

    What else is there that would suggest seasonal migration and piscivory
    at the site? You don't mention fishbones.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sat Feb 4 23:04:36 2023
    Pandora wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 05:19:27 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Saint-Césaire, PA site in SW-France, where in 1979 the remains of a young adult
    male Hn were found buried in a small pit. The skeleton was recovered during
    archaeological salvage excavations at the back of the Roche-à-Pierrot rock shelter,
    near the village of Saint-Césaire. It was found in ass.x tools & other artifacts formerly
    ass.x only with early Hs, and not Hn. Despite the inland location of the site,
    a marine shell was found buried with the individual. ...

    Kudu runner:
    You can deduce all that (seasonal migration, piscivory) from a single >>>>> marine shell?

    From a single shell??

    That's the only evidende you mention

    I'm not responsible for your selective reading... :-DDD

    What else is there that would suggest seasonal migration and piscivory
    at the site? You don't mention fishbones.


    In AA land, a single shell is enough to prove aquaticness. However,
    real scientists do more...

    From 2006 (a bit more recent)

    http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/vincent.balter/Articles/Balter(JHE)06.pdf
    Diet and behavior of the Saint-Ce´saire Neanderthal
    inferred from biogeochemical data inversion

    Abstract
    Biogeochemistry is a powerful tool for dietary
    reconstruction, and mixing equations can be used to
    quantify the contribution of multiple sources to an
    individual's diet. The goals of this paper are: 1) to
    generalize the inverse method to dietary mixtures;
    and 2) to reconstruct the diet of the Saint-Césaire
    Neanderthal using Sr/Ca and Ba/Ca data of the mineral
    fraction of bone (hydroxylapatite), and with published
    δ13C and δ15N data of the associated organic fraction
    of bone (collagen). A new method is proposed to
    calculate the maximum diagenetic contribution of the
    Sr/Ba ratio, assuming that the soil soluble fraction
    is the diagenetic end-member and, for a given fraction
    of diagenesis, allows the restoration of the original
    Sr/Ba ratio. Considering the Saint-Césaire
    Châtelperronian mammalian assemblage as the meat
    source, and on the basis of available Sr, Ba, and Ca
    contents of plants, the results indicate that the
    percentage of plants in the Neanderthal's diet must
    have been close to zero for realistic Sr and Ba
    impoverishment between diet and hydroxylapatite.
    Contrary to previous studies, it is shown that fish
    could constitute a significant proportion (30%) of
    the diet of the Saint-Césaire Neanderthal. However,
    this mass balance solution is not supported by the
    zooarchaeological data. When the entire faunal
    assemblage is considered as the dietary source, the
    calculation shows that bovids (except reindeer)
    represent the greatest percentage of consumed meat
    (58%), followed by horses/rhinoceros (22%), reindeer
    (13%), and mammoths (7%). These respective percentages
    are in close accordance with zooarchaeological records,
    suggesting that the faunal assemblage associated with
    the Neanderthal of Saint-Césaire reliably reflects what
    he ate during the last few years of his life. In
    behavioral terms, this result supports the hypothesis
    that this Neanderthal carried the foodstuffs back to
    the Saint-Césaire shelter before their consumption.


    From the conclusion:

    "In the case of the Middle-Upper Palaeolithic site of
    Saint-Ce´saire, it is shown that even if 27% of the
    Sr/Ba ratio of the Neanderthal could be explained by
    diagenesis, plant resources did not constitute a
    sizable proportion of the diet of the Neanderthal.
    However, from the elemental and isotopic points of
    view, it is possible that fish may have contributed
    to the overall biogeochemical signature of the
    Neanderthal, although this result is not supported by
    zooarchaeological data. When the ungulates are pooled
    according to their elemental and isotopic pattern,
    their respective proportions in the diet of the
    Neanderthal resemble those deduced by zooarchaeology.
    This suggests that this Neanderthal brought the
    foodstuffs back to the site before their consumption,
    and thus did not practice passive scavenging."

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Mar 31 17:52:49 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    In AA land, a single shell is enough to prove aquaticness. However,
    real scientists do more...

    As opposed to ZERO sources for the DHA to build our brains found
    on the savanna...

    It's easy to make a case when you cherry pick ONE claim and avoid
    every other piece of evidence, not to mention avoid trying to build a
    model to account for everything...

    You're a contradictionist. You're defending dogma, not making a
    case.

    As I told you before; "Any jackass can kick down a barn," the saying
    goes, "But only a carpenter can build one." Well you're not a
    carpenter and you haven't got a barn.




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  • From Claudius Denk@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Sat Apr 1 11:19:17 2023
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:52:51 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    In AA land, a single shell is enough to prove aquaticness. However,
    real scientists do more...
    As opposed to ZERO sources for the DHA to build our brains found
    on the savanna...

    You are full of shit. You are NOT an expert on brain growth. Nobody but you and other AAT idiots think that DHA is necessary for brain growth.

    Your dumbass aquatic ape nonsense would have the public believe that the animals on the DHA-free (according to you) savanna should be brainless. But the fucking aren't brainless. Pull your head out of your ass you dimwitted scinence groupy!!!


    Explain how savanna animals grew brains without your magical DHA.

    You can't, because in actuality you are a moron who barely understands any of this!!!

    CD

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 1 15:10:40 2023
    So DHA, all by itself, is more than enough to prove Aquatic Ape.

    Our brains need DHA, even now, and there's only two ways to get
    it: The genetic mutation that allows us to synthesize it form ALA,
    which just plain isn't that old and even today falls short of the
    optimum quantity necessary, or we can get it my exploiting marine
    resources.

    Yeah, it absolutely positively had to be from marine resources...





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