• Anthropoid brain evolution

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 15 04:19:47 2023
    Brain reorganization, not relative brain size, primarily characterizes anthropoid brain evolution
    JB Smaers & C Soligo 2013 Proc Biol Sci 280(1759): 20130269
    doi 10.1098/rspb.2013.0269

    Comparative analyses of primate brain evolution have highlighted changes in size (CC) & internal organization as key factors underlying spp diversity, but
    (i) how much variation in mosaic brain reorganization (vs variation in rel.CC) contributes to explaining the structural neural diversity observed across spp?
    (ii) which mosaic changes contribute most to explaining diversity?
    (iii) what are the temporal origin, rates & processes that underlie evol.shifts in mosaic reorganization for individual branches of Primates?

    We combine novel comparative methods + newly available data on volumes of prefrontal cortex, frontal motor areas & cerebro-cerebellum in 17 primate spp incl. Hs.
    We identify patterns of mosaic change in brain evolution that mirror brain systems previously identified by electro-physiol. & anatomical tract-tracing studies (non-human primates) & funct.connectivity MRI studies (Hs).

    Across >40 Ma of anthropoid evolution,
    - mosaic changes contribute more to explaining neural diversity than changes in rel.CC,
    - different mosaic patterns are differentially selected for when brains in- or decrease in size.
    We identify lineage-specific evol.specializations for all branches of the tree of life in our sample,
    we demonstrate deep evol.roots for mosaic patterns ass.x motor control & learning.

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    Interesting article, but why didn't they mention our littoral past?
    e.g. haven't they heard of DHA in seafood?

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Mar 26 21:52:56 2023
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Brain reorganization, not relative brain size, primarily characterizes anthropoid brain evolution
    JB Smaers & C Soligo 2013 Proc Biol Sci 280(1759): 20130269
    doi 10.1098/rspb.2013.0269


    Which I posted ion 2021. Here it is with the REAL abstract,
    not what you made up


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3619515/
    2013 May 22

    Abstract
    Comparative analyses of primate brain evolution have
    highlighted changes in size and internal organization
    as key factors underlying species diversity. It remains,
    however, unclear (i) how much variation in mosaic brain
    reorganization versus variation in relative brain size
    contributes to explaining the structural neural diversity
    observed across species,(ii) which mosaic changes
    contribute most to explaining diversity, and (iii) what
    the temporal origin, rates and processes are that underlie
    evolutionary shifts in mosaic reorganization for individual
    branches of the primate tree of life. We address these
    questions by combining novel comparative methods that allow
    assessing the temporal origin, rate and process of
    evolutionary changes on individual branches of the tree of
    life, with newly available data on volumes of key brain
    structures (prefrontal cortex, frontal motor areas and
    cerebrocerebellum) for a sample of 17 species (including
    humans). We identify patterns of mosaic change in brain
    evolution that mirror brain systems previously identified
    by electrophysiological and anatomical tract-tracing
    studies in non-human primates and functional connectivity
    MRI studies in humans. Across more than 40 Myr of anthropoid
    primate evolution, mosaic changes contribute more to
    explaining neural diversity than changes in relative brain
    size, and different mosaic patterns are differentially
    selected for when brains increase or decrease in size. We
    identify lineage-specific evolutionary specializations for
    all branches of the tree of life covered by our sample
    and demonstrate deep evolutionary roots for mosaic patterns
    associated with motor control and learning.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 27 06:04:58 2023
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3619515/
    2013 May 22
    Comparative analyses of primate brain evolution have
    highlighted changes in size and internal organization
    as key factors underlying species diversity. It remains,
    however, unclear (i) how much variation in mosaic brain
    reorganization versus variation in relative brain size
    contributes to explaining the structural neural diversity
    observed across species,(ii) which mosaic changes
    contribute most to explaining diversity, and (iii) what
    the temporal origin, rates and processes are that underlie
    evolutionary shifts in mosaic reorganization for individual
    branches of the primate tree of life. We address these
    questions by combining novel comparative methods that allow
    assessing the temporal origin, rate and process of
    evolutionary changes on individual branches of the tree of
    life, with newly available data on volumes of key brain
    structures (prefrontal cortex, frontal motor areas and
    cerebrocerebellum) for a sample of 17 species (including
    humans). We identify patterns of mosaic change in brain
    evolution that mirror brain systems previously identified
    by electrophysiological and anatomical tract-tracing
    studies in non-human primates and functional connectivity
    MRI studies in humans. Across more than 40 Myr of anthropoid
    primate evolution, mosaic changes contribute more to
    explaining neural diversity than changes in relative brain
    size, and different mosaic patterns are differentially
    selected for when brains increase or decrease in size. We
    identify lineage-specific evolutionary specializations for
    all branches of the tree of life covered by our sample
    and demonstrate deep evolutionary roots for mosaic patterns
    associated with motor control and learning.

    Interesting article, but why didn't they mention our littoral past?
    e.g. haven't they heard of DHA in seafood?

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Fri Mar 31 13:02:16 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Which I posted ion 2021. Here it is with the REAL abstract,
    not what you made up

    What do you think it means?

    You're a fine one for throwing around "Cites" as if you're Christ
    come to cleanse the temple, but if you ever gave any indication
    that you read them, much less understood them, much less
    incorporated them within some sort of "Picture" or "Model" then
    I for one have missed it.

    So what do you think it means?

    WHY do you think that?

    Personally I didn't even find it interesting.

    Just talking about primate brains across a span of 40 million
    years is more than a bit ridiculous. Sure, there is such a thing
    as an endocast but they're not exactly "High Resolution."

    Certainly not in fossils.

    And regardless of how important organization is relative to
    size, size is what matters here when talking about the
    evolution of Homo. Period. Even your gods pooping in the
    Rising Star Cave felt it necessary to "Find" an anomalous
    skull, by itself, over in a different cavern, so that they could
    claim Naledi's range fell somewhere within the Homo line,
    and not entirely outside of it... in size.





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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to JTEM is so reasonable on Fri Apr 7 21:44:37 2023
    JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    Which I posted ion 2021. Here it is with the REAL abstract,
    not what you made up

    What do you think it means?

    You're a fine one for throwing around "Cites" as if you're Christ

    As opposed to your space alien videos?

    come to cleanse the temple, but if you ever gave any indication
    that you read them, much less understood them, much less
    incorporated them within some sort of "Picture" or "Model" then
    I for one have missed it.

    Did you follow the link?



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3619515/
    2013 May 22

    Abstract
    Comparative analyses of primate brain evolution have
    highlighted changes in size and internal organization
    as key factors underlying species diversity. It remains,
    however, unclear (i) how much variation in mosaic brain
    reorganization versus variation in relative brain size
    contributes to explaining the structural neural diversity
    observed across species,(ii) which mosaic changes
    contribute most to explaining diversity, and (iii) what
    the temporal origin, rates and processes are that underlie
    evolutionary shifts in mosaic reorganization for individual
    branches of the primate tree of life. We address these
    questions by combining novel comparative methods that allow
    assessing the temporal origin, rate and process of
    evolutionary changes on individual branches of the tree of
    life, with newly available data on volumes of key brain
    structures (prefrontal cortex, frontal motor areas and
    cerebrocerebellum) for a sample of 17 species (including
    humans). We identify patterns of mosaic change in brain
    evolution that mirror brain systems previously identified
    by electrophysiological and anatomical tract-tracing
    studies in non-human primates and functional connectivity
    MRI studies in humans. Across more than 40 Myr of anthropoid
    primate evolution, mosaic changes contribute more to
    explaining neural diversity than changes in relative brain
    size, and different mosaic patterns are differentially
    selected for when brains increase or decrease in size. We
    identify lineage-specific evolutionary specializations for
    all branches of the tree of life covered by our sample
    and demonstrate deep evolutionary roots for mosaic patterns
    associated with motor control and learning.

    Have you read it?


    So what do you think it means?

    WHY do you think that?

    Personally I didn't even find it interesting.

    Of course you don't. Too many big words

    Just talking about primate brains across a span of 40 million
    years is more than a bit ridiculous. Sure, there is such a thing
    as an endocast but they're not exactly "High Resolution."

    Certainly not in fossils.

    And regardless of how important organization is relative to
    size, size is what matters here when talking about the
    evolution of Homo. Period. Even your gods pooping in the
    Rising Star Cave felt it necessary to "Find" an anomalous
    skull, by itself, over in a different cavern, so that they could
    claim Naledi's range fell somewhere within the Homo line,
    and not entirely outside of it... in size.

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Sat Apr 8 10:31:39 2023
    Primum Sapienti wrote:

    As opposed to your space alien videos?

    I have space alien videos? Wow. I must be rich!

    And you must be emotionally & intellectually shattered, incapable
    of ascertaining what is and is not relevant here...

    Did you glue your upper lip to your teeth? Are you that idiot woman
    with her "Debunking" Aquatic Ape? That would explain so much...

    come to cleanse the temple, but if you ever gave any indication
    that you read them, much less understood them, much less
    incorporated them within some sort of "Picture" or "Model" then
    I for one have missed it.

    Did you follow the link?

    Again, you never read it and you're incapable of grasping a single
    word. Want to prove me wrong?

    Explain what you think it means. Explain why it's relevant here,
    what it establishes.

    I'm daring you to. I'm drawing a line in the sand, saying that you're
    too stupid to figure out how to cross it and here you are, failing to
    cross it...

    So what do you think it means?

    WHY do you think that?

    Personally I didn't even find it interesting.

    Of course you

    You couldn't answer. You were incapable of reading, understanding and
    then incorporating the cite into an argument... exactly like every other
    time.




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