I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they
are called or where to find them.
I used to live in a house that had that setup.
I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they
are called or where to find them.
I used to live in a house that had that setup.
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 19:20:37 -0700, Aoli <Aoli@Aoli.com> wrote:
I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they
are called or where to find them.
I used to live in a house that had that setup.
Not enough info. Is the fan part of an HVAC system or a stand alone
fan? Can you point to an example of the "whole house fan"? I don't
know if you want a simple thermal fuse such as: <https://www.homedepot.com/p/SolarAtticFan-Fire-Safety-Cut-Off-Switch-FSCS-SS/203807520>
a shutoff tied into a home automation system which includes fire
sensors, or a mechanical solenoid attached to the main breaker that
turns off the breaker if a fire is detected. This pneumatic system is
made for race cars: <https://timmcamis.com/shop/fire-system-electric-disconnect-kit.html> <https://youtu.be/69B1qsnh7Zk>
but I suspect there may be something similar for homes.
These might help:
606.4.2 Fan Shutdown
<https://up.codes/s/fan-shutdown>
Should the HVAC System be Shut Down on Alarm? <https://www.douglaskrantz.com/QFHVACShutdown.html>
HVAC Shutdown by Fire Alarm System <https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=119122>
My guess(tm) is that it's called an "HVAC fire shutdown". <https://www.google.com/search?q=hvac+fire+shutdown>
and that it requires a fire alarm system to implement.
I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they
are called or where to find them.
I used to live in a house that had that setup.
Charles Lucas
Clearly, you do not read for content, and are incredibly bored such that you would both involve yourself in random posts and give generally inept advice. And, at the same time inviting abuse.I see what you mean and how it came across. Sorry about that. Now, let me tell you why I did it.
Not good!
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Charles, you need to remember that this venue exists to provide overly complex solutions to simple problems after extensive discussions of picayune and irrelevant issues.standard ABC device would not be appropriate.
The OP wanted a device to shut off a whole-house exhaust fan if a fire (or smoke) is detected. Depending on what is already there, he has various options. They are not complicated, do not require specialized skills and are not overly costly.
The OP is not discussing an ANSUL system. And, given what I do for a living, I would _NEVER_ even suggest or refer to an ANSUL system in a normal family residence. I would suggest a good Class K fire extinguisher if one is that heavily into it that a
Sprinklers? That is an issue in itself. New-Code around here does require residential sprinkler systems under some circumstances. In new construction, they are merely costly. For existing construction, they can be extremely costly. Doing the math onour house as an example, it would take roughly forty (40) heads to include closets, turns, hallways and such. More if I could not use side-spray heads. Would "city pressure" be enough, or would I have to boost? 80 psi is required at full-flow, so no,
So, the best advice under other-than-extreme conditions is to keep the smoke-detectors up-to-date, test them regularly, and RESPOND to them when they go off. Have the appropriate fire extinguishers in the appropriate locations, and even fire one offevery so often to be familiar with their use. CO Detectors if one burns fuel in unvented or conventionally vented devices, and so forth. KISS
Common sense isn't.central AC, and also a brand new whole-house fire alarm, with all the bells, whistles, devices and so forth that were current in the 1990s. Local code then required that said fire alarm be powered directly from the mains, without a fuse or breaker. So,
Now, you want some irony? About 30 years ago, I was involved in a forensic investigation of a residential fire in a house built in 1795, but fully upgraded over the years. The owner had just upgraded his 100A service to a 200A service so as to install
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they
are called or where to find them.
I used to live in a house that had that setup.
I'm curious - in case of a house fire do you want the attic fan to pull
out the smoke or stop pulling in fresh air?
So. Let's start with the OP: I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they
are called or where to find them.
On 4/5/2022 7:20 PM, Aoli wrote:
I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they are called or where to find them.
I used to live in a house that had that setup.I'm curious - in case of a house fire do you want the attic fan to pull
out the smoke or stop pulling in fresh air?
Charles:also subject to different codes, a different environment, and often very different basic systems. Given that this venue is also frequented by those passing as, or attempting to pass as human, with all the associated foibles, peculiarities, assumptions
One more try. And I will try not to be snarky. This is a discussion group with a focus on problem-solving with an electronics emphasis. It is also, perforce, done at at distance. Often the initiator of a discussion is not only on another continent, but
Generally, >I< attempt to:problems after extensive discussions of picayune and irrelevant issues." That is one of the side-effects of Usenet - that there are those who feel it necessary to not only address the nits, but pick at them as well.
a) understand the question.
b) understand the asker's purpose for the question.
c) attempt to clarify my understanding if not immediately clear.
Note, I write ONLY for myself. I do not write HOLY WRIT, although I try to be reasonably apt in my advice. And in most aspects of things discussed here, there are many who are vastly more experienced than I.
With all that in mind, only then will I offer advice, and only then to the extent that it is (in my experience/opinion) useful. I was not being snarky at all when I wrote: "... that this venue exists to provide overly complex solutions to simple
will shut it off should it trip. It will _ALSO_ shut off the associated air-handler. The system as a whole moves 46,200,000 c.f. (1,308,238 c.m.) of air per hour (7 changes, on average). Altogether, even if a 50-year-old system, pretty sophisticated andAt the present moment, I work in a 600,000 s.f. (557,740 s.m.) medical research facility that is 100% fresh air throughout. So, whereas there no true return-air fans, but exhaust fans. Each one of them (14 in total) has an in-duct smoke detector thatSo. Let's start with the OP: I have an whole house fan and I want to put a fire shutoff device above
it that would in-line wire power to the fan but I do not know what they >>are called or where to find them.
I am as good as the next guy at vituperation. And at least as snarky. I admit, even, to enjoying the wordplay when the opportunity presents. In your case, however, you are putting yourself in harm's way - however sincerely - by flying off on tangentsand not 'stopping' while on those flights. Nobody here minds extraneous discussions, but with the expectation that, somehow, they are a natural outflow of the thread, a thread of their own, or similar. But when one sees upwards of several dozens of posts
Nor does anyone mind inquiring about old posts. On occasion, I have updated my own reporting long-term results of a procedure, as that may be relevant to some.Thank you for everything, Peter, sir. I understand completely where you are coming from. I shall be more judicious in the future before I respond. I realize I was all over the place on this thread (along with noting and emphasizing particular things-
It is "Aim. Ready. FIRE!". Not "FIRE!, Ready, Aim.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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