On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 2:33:26 PM UTC-8, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Ralph Mowery wrote:

That is what I got when the First Class Phone was not needed any more and the First and Second Class was changed over to the GROL.

I agree , I think many companies were started up or started handing out some
kind of certification just to make money. Where I worked I had to get certified every year for something about radiation. Then came the refregeration and ozone scare, certified to operate a stud gun, operate some
man lifting platforms, the Star program, ISO 6000 or was it 9000 , TPM, deversity training, PLC certification (only thing that I got any training on
worth anything), don't recall what all else. Retired about the time the six
sigma came out with all the stupid belts. I even thought the First Phone was a joke when I took it in 1972. I had studied some on a 2 nd class book and at the time it cost one dollar more to take the First, so I signed up for that and passed everything the first day. Never did see a TV transmitter and would not know what to do if I had.

The first thing you would have discovered is that TV used a pair of transmitters, in 1972. That was the year that I tested out of the three year, depot level school for broadcast engineering. It was the
equivalent of the FCC First Phone, and was convertible without taking
the FCC test, until the year before I left the service. I worked at
three TV stations, in all. One AFRTS Army station, and two commercial
UHF stations without a First Phone.

I too received my NABER certification paperwork and card back around 1986. I recall having to drive up to L.A. from San Diego and taking a long test covering all type of electronic, RF, Television and FCC type questions. It was a 3 or 4 hour brutal test.
I think the NABER certification disappeared from usage more than twenty years ago. I looked to see if I could recertify it 20 years ago and it was nowhere to be found. I Had my NARTE CET and GROL licenses and wanted to beef up my resume with the NABER
license. No Joy!

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In article <76c3d3e1-09cf-4390-a772-287832a3290an@googlegroups.com>, robin.marsh.usmc@gmail.com says...

I too received my NABER certification paperwork and card back around 1986. I recall having to drive up to L.A. from San Diego and taking a long test covering all type of electronic, RF, Television and FCC type questions. It was a 3 or 4 hour brutal

test. I think the NABER certification disappeared from usage more than twenty years ago. I looked to see if I could recertify it 20 years ago and it was nowhere to be found. I Had my NARTE CET and GROL licenses and wanted to beef up my resume with the NABER license. No Joy!



I had that NABER but got tired of sending them money as I never did work
in the field that needed that. Have no idea about it now.

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On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:20:49 -0800 (PST),
videogamencomputerguy@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, April 21, 1995 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Brian Feeny wrote:

Hello,

I was wondering if someone could tell me what the NABER Certification isand
just how recognized it is. I have a CET (ETA), and FCC GROL license
currently. An associate at work (USAF) told me that the FCC license
is no longer recognized by industry and that employers (motorola, att,
nt, etc) now want you to have the NABER Certification. He claimed the
FCC was more of a operating license then maintence.
The way I understand it, FCC is both operating and maintence of certain
equiptment. I thought employers wanted EITHER the naber or fcc, but
had never heard a firm wanting just the naber.

Any information about the NABER Certification would be appreciated.

The NABER was an attempt to replace the FCC First class Radio-ttelephone license in the last century. The FCC loosly says that it's up to the station's owner to establish the technition's technical competance. The NABER is one way to show that. The

amatuer FCC Extra class license has a good start towards the NABER. Now days with circuit board swapping as the norm for many technicians, component level troubleshooting can be a valuable asset to be exploited. Exact repplacements is another area that
is required to maintain FCC compliance under type acceptance guidelines. Under part 15, 90, 95 & 97 of CFR 47. Reading these can help with test questions. Brodcasting rules would also help those interested in taking on that chalenge. Find a CFR library
near you or buy from library of congress's help.

Originally, NABER was one of the first frequency coordination
organizations to be recognized by the FCC. As I vaguely recall, they
initially handled mostly land mobile stations, and were structured as
a "business radio user organization". If you wanted a business
frequency, you had to join NABER. They may have branched out into
other areas later. See the first paragraph at: <https://www.google.com/books/edition/Hearings/5fkFAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=National+Association+of+Business+and+Educational+Radio&pg=RA4-PA37&printsec=frontcover>
I don't know when they began issuing certifications as I was doing
other things when that began.

Some of their history is still around: <http://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n85-3375/>
The timeline is wrong as they were fully functional in the 1960's and
1970's. <https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3ANational+Association+of+Business+and+Educational+Radio+%28U.S.%29&qt=hot_author>
<https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=National+Association+of+Business+and+Educational+Radio>

What little contact I had with NABER was not mutually advantageous.
NABER was highly bureaucratic, but an improvement over dealing with
the FCC. Like most certification issuing organizations of the day,
their primary purpose of the exams was likely to have been to sell
their books, study material, classes, etc to assist applicants with
the intentionally confusing questions in the exams.

Over the years, I've had many opportunities to take various
certification exams, but never bothered. There were a few that I
recall wanting, just for the status symbol. Somehow, the lack of
certificates never affected my rather checkered career. I guess ham
radio and GROL licenses might be considered certificates: <https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2228353> <https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2482894>

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Note that this thread started in 1995!

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 09:31:53 -0700 (PDT), "Peter W."
<peterwieck33@gmail.com> wrote:

Note that this thread started in 1995!

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

I noticed, after I posted my reply. That's also that my reply was
mostly a duplicate of what I had replied to the thread in 2015. I had
been doing yard work, became overheated, and nearly passed out. After
I somewhat recovered, I cleverly decided that it would be a good time
to catch up on email and Usenet. The next day, I read what I had
posted and decided that perhaps it was not such a clever idea. My
apologies. However, I suspect it will happen again if I read
something interesting as was the case with this thread.


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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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