But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.
AM transmitters with over 50kW output are not used in the US at all.
Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:
AM transmitters with over 50kW output are not used in the US at all.
cough, cough....
WLW. It ran 500KW+ in the past, but regulators cut them back to
the ordinary 50KW level in ~1940.
The transmitter tubes had 3-phase filiments, if that gives you
some idea of their size.
You can't? Well I can!
- not useful in large parts of the world
- interference from motor control
Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:
But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.
For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
I can't imagine why that is...
For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
I can't imagine why that is...
You can't? Well I can!
- not useful in large parts of the world
- interference from motor control
On 29/07/2021 12:35, Rob wrote:
Energy is expensive here and a typical radio station cannot pay the 100kW-1MWAM transmitters with over 50kW output are not used in the US at all.
power consumption of an AM transmitter.
(There were a handful of experimental ones at one stage in the past)
Yes in Europe higher powers were not uncommon, a few were as high as 1MW.
^^^^^WLW. It ran 500KW+ in the past, but regulators cut them back to
the ordinary 50KW level in ~1940.
The transmitter tubes had 3-phase filiments, if that gives you
some idea of their size.
Actually it makes no sense to make an AM (MW) transmitter using tubes
today. Designs using semiconductors and some switching mode are
3+ times more efficient (mains->antenna) and that is a big difference
at those powerlevels.
David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:
Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:
But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.
For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
I can't imagine why that is...
You can't? Well I can!
- interference from motor control
Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.
Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.
I assume you are pulling his leg. Think of the power levels involved
in the drive motor electronics.
(You might research what FCC regulations cover electric car RFI.
You can be sure Musk did...)
--
Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> writes:
- interference from motor control
Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.
I assume you are pulling his leg. Think of the power levels involved
in the drive motor electronics.
(You might research what FCC regulations cover electric car RFI.
You can be sure Musk did...)
I would not at all be surprised when FCC regulations covering RFI
specify maximum levels that are still way too high to allow reception
of AM radio in the car itself.
In article <sgo3nb$j7o$2@reader1.panix.com>, wb8foz@panix.com says...
Probably the interference from the other electronics in the car. Easy
to eliminate if you just leave the receiver out of the radio.
I assume you are pulling his leg. Think of the power levels involved
in the drive motor electronics.
(You might research what FCC regulations cover electric car RFI.
You can be sure Musk did...)
--
No, not pulling a leg, just guessing.
Many devices will interfere with AM radios. The FCC has a limit on how
much is allowed. The car may just produce enough to affect the onboard
AM radio, but not ones 50 feet away.
That is what I mean. To know the difference between RFI regulations
and reasonable AM reception, just ask any radio amateur (as the previous poster probably is). The common levels of interference these days,
likely emitted by fully compliant devices, overwhelm all but the
strongest signals on frequencies below a couple of MHz.
Many devices will interfere with AM radios. The FCC has a limit on how
much is allowed. The car may just produce enough to affect the onboard
AM radio, but not ones 50 feet away.
Brian Gregory<void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:
But most cars nowadays only have FM and DAB+ anyway.
For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
I can't imagine why that is...
People buying the electric cars probably do not listen to the AM
stations anyway,but FM and the Sirus radio.
In article <slrnsiv9t9...@xs9.xs4all.nl>, nom...@example.com
says...
That is what I mean. To know the difference between RFI regulations
and reasonable AM reception, just ask any radio amateur (as the previous poster probably is). The common levels of interference these days,
likely emitted by fully compliant devices, overwhelm all but the
strongest signals on frequencies below a couple of MHz.
I am aproching 50 years an a radio amateur. It is not just a couple of
MHz but even higher. Riding around with a transceiver around 52 MHz and
some of the fuel pumps and even the stop lights create some noise
problems. Even some of the lights in homes will cause radio problems.
Rob the Imbecile wrote:
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For some reason, Tesla's do not have an AM band.
I can't imagine why that is...
You can't? Well I can!
- not useful in large parts of the world
** Choke, choke ???
WTF is this idiot on ?
- interference from motor control
** Obvious reason.
AM radio simply does not work satisfactorily in their wacky contraptions.
But seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside.....
** Obvious reason.
AM radio simply does not work satisfactorily in their wacky contraptions.
I thought that was the reason, so I tried it with a Walkman-type AM
radio inside the car,
Since AM radio is used for emergency info in Australia, if the car
doesn't have AM radio built in then it might make sense to keep a cheap pocket AM radio in the car
Ralph Mowery wrote:
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People buying the electric cars probably do not listen to the AM** AM radio has a huge advantage at long distance from the Tx.
stations anyway,but FM and the Sirus radio.
But seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside.....
...... Phil
On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 12:54:19 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:filtered SMPS. The high failure rate of the LED lamps in the traffic lights has more being switched back to lower efficiency, extra long life incandescent bulbs. Just about every LED light you see has one or more clusters of dead LEDs, in spite of some
In article <slrnsiv9t9...@xs9.xs4all.nl>, nom...@example.com
says...
I am aproching 50 years an a radio amateur. It is not just a couple of
That is what I mean. To know the difference between RFI regulations
and reasonable AM reception, just ask any radio amateur (as the previous >> > poster probably is). The common levels of interference these days,
likely emitted by fully compliant devices, overwhelm all but the
strongest signals on frequencies below a couple of MHz.
MHz but even higher. Riding around with a transceiver around 52 MHz and
some of the fuel pumps and even the stop lights create some noise
problems. Even some of the lights in homes will cause radio problems.
There are some traffic lights around here that you can hear change colors from almost a mile away. The noise is coupled into the power lines feeding a substation, and it is re radiated from them. Basically a carrier current noise source from a poorly
Chris Jones Retard wrote:Come on, you used to put much more effort into your insults!
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I thought that was the reason, so I tried it with a Walkman-type AM
** Obvious reason.
AM radio simply does not work satisfactorily in their wacky contraptions. >>
radio inside the car,
** Regular AM portable radios barely work inside steel body cars.
Why the fuck to ALL car radios have* external* antennas ??
** Regular AM portable radios barely work inside steel body cars.Those of us who carry a portable radio for emergency purpose while on long trips tend not to carry a 'regular' radio. In our case, it will be either a Siemens RK-747, or a Grundig YB500. It is an interesting phenomenon that we are more often outside of
Why the fuck to ALL car radios have* external* antennas ??Because, at least today, they must serve many masters - including AM/FM/Satellite/GPS & Cell Phone syncing. Our 2005 Volvo XC70 without sync and navigation/GPS had all the various functions laminated into the windshield. No shark-fin,
Depends where you are. I know the Supercharger network is not widespread in your area,
but it's very widespread in Europe and available nearly everywhere in the states.
A Tesla will run for over 4 hours on a charge at highway speeds,
and there is never a charger more than 15 minutes away anywhere in the Northeast U.S.
** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????
** Regular AM portable radios barely work inside steel body cars.
Those of us who carry a portable radio for emergency purpose while on long trips tend not to carry a 'regular' radio.
Why the fuck to ALL car radios have* external* antennas ??
Because, at least today, they must serve many masters
** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????
ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
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Depends where you are. I know the Supercharger network is not widespread in your area,
but it's very widespread in Europe and available nearly everywhere in the states.
A Tesla will run for over 4 hours on a charge at highway speeds,
and there is never a charger more than 15 minutes away anywhere in the Northeast U.S.
** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????
** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????
Sure there is open countryside,
but a typical standard range Tesla has a real world range of over 200 miles,
Perhaps the "Tesla Freakoid Morons" are not lying - it is you who is simply wrong.
** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????
..... Phil
You have no conception of how silly you are, do you?
Peter Wieck ...
ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
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** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????
Sure there is open countryside,** Not what I originally posted.
" ... seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside..... "
My idea apploes, not you fucked up one.
but a typical standard range Tesla has a real world range of over 200 miles,** So about 1/4 that of a real car which of course can be refueled in minutes with no special facility needed.
** You are LYING you head off right now.
You have no conception of how silly you are, do you?
** You were not conceived at all - a lizard pooped you out.
Peter Wieck ...
** Geriatric, radio ham& psychopath.
Your posts are beyond obnoxious to read.
Peter W. wrote:
============
You have no conception of how silly you are, do you?
** You were not conceived at all - a lizard pooped you out.
Peter Wieck ...
** Geriatric, radio ham& psychopath.
** So there is simply NO countryside in the NE of the US ????
Sure there is open countryside,** Not what I originally posted.
" ... seeing as Teslas cannot do long trips into the countryside..... "
My idea applies, not your fucked up one.
I still don't get your point
My S can go 265 miles minimum before needing refueling
A trip more than 265 miles is something more than just a "trip into the countryside"
I noticed that you conveniently left out your comment on the supercharging map
but a typical standard range Tesla has a real world range of over 200 miles,** So about 1/4 that of a real car which of course can be refueled in minutes with no special facility needed.
What? No special facility needed?
Contrast that to EVs which are plugged in at home. Home is what I would call a "no special facility".
No Phil, just because you can't understand the advantages that an EV
offers doesn't change these facts into lies. I was 100% factually correct.
** The Toyata Prius does 600 + on one tank.
But that is no range limit, actual driving range is UNLIMITED !!.
A trip more than 265 miles is something more than just a "trip into the countryside"** No, " ....* long* trips into the countryside " and of course the ability to return.
With an ICE car the distance is unlimited long as there are roads,
I noticed that you conveniently left out your comment on the supercharging map** No even faintly relevant.
Contrast that to EVs which are plugged in at home. Home is what I would call a "no special facility".** Massive irrelevancy to *long* trips into the countryside.
** You are one MASSIVE, BULLSHITTING, FUCKING LIAR
** The Toyata Prius does 600 + on one tank.
But that is no range limit, actual driving range is UNLIMITED !!.
I have a Prius. I put a mowing deck on it and I do my yard with it... It's almost like a real car in many ways.
Some people actually drive them on roads..
Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?
** Cos way too many greedy, ruthless & dishonest folk have it.
Kinda-sorta suggests that you should fit right in, does it not?
** Cos way too many greedy, ruthless & dishonest folk have it.
We have Silly.
We have Stupid.
Now we must add Pathetic.
Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
We have Silly.
We have Stupid.
Now we must add Pathetic.
Quick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?You're going to feel mighty silly when Phil does become rich. In fact, he will be Philthy rich as soon as he can get his prototype "unlimited range" over-unity Prius running..
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 9:57:30 AM UTC-4, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
We have Silly.
We have Stupid.
Now we must add Pathetic.
Interesting-if-true. I doubt if the Drongo from Down-Under has a driver's license, much less a vehicle of any nature with the possible exception of aQuick question, Phil: If you are so smart, why aren't you rich?You're going to feel mighty silly when Phil does become rich. In fact, he will be Philthy rich as soon as he can get his prototype "unlimited range" over-unity Prius running..
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
spavined two-or-three wheeler... At the same time, were he not obsessed with counting pennies and imagined slights, it may improve his mood, So, more 'power' to him.
Peter Wieck
Melroes Park, PA
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