On 5/9/2023 12:32 PM, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:are not better off in America today because their ancestors were forced to come here are those who should receive reparations.
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 9:17:04?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-05-08/california-reparations-task-force-votes-approve-cost-recommendations-800-billion
I thought it was a principle under civil law that when someone has
been wronged and compensation deemed appropriate, the money is taken
from those who have become unjustly enriched and given to those who
have suffered as a result of that wrongdoing. But that's not what's
being contemplated here. The persons who committed the original wrongs
are all long dead, as are those who suffered at their hands. I don't
see how one can justly apportion blame among those alive today. They
have done no wrong and the people who it is proposed to compensate
have suffered no wrong either.
What are we supposed to do? Just shrug and resign ourselves to saying
California's different? Are they really going to go ahead with this?
For someone to suggest reparations are needed to address a wrong in the past would mean that the descendants of the wronged would have been better off if their ancestors were never brought to and suffered in America. Any descendant who believes they
ancestor's native land, and absent any documentation as to where they originated from, be allowed to move to any country that will have them.
My solution is this - anyone who believes they have also suffered because their ancestors were enslaved and would have been better off if their ancestors were never brought to America should be compensated with both money and repatriation to their
The cash reparation could only be accepted with a required legal renunciation of their citizenship and the being permanently barred from ever reapplying for U.S. citizenship in the future.
Ignore reality, and what you said might make sense. Which is what you did.
Why? Seems fair to me.
Why? Seems fair to me.Because it entirely ignores 500 years of history. Which displays massive ignorance on your part.
Every complex problem has a solution that is simple, clear and wrong.
H.L. Mencken
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Apply some logic:example. The last "Indian School" was closed in 1969, as another.
a) Native Americas and children of slaves were not given opportunities for education, training, mortgages, nor many of the other means to accumulate wealth as were whites of any origin. It took Harry Truman to integrate the Military as one single
b) Accordingly, the cumulative effect of wealth-gathering was denied to them as a race, as a class, as a group.sustains all of us. We have given our children excellent educations, left them with no debt, and they are doing the same for theirs. BUT - we have, between the four families, five houses, all paid for, 9 degrees, solid incomes, assured retirements, and
c) Today, as a race, class or group, they are still suffering from that denial with (generally) poorer education, fewer opportunities, reduced health, and much more.
d) So, there is a 500 year history of everything from direct oppression to complete indifference to overcome.
And, guess what? The entire "white" race continues to be enriched by this.
Neither of my parents spoke English as a first language. But they were both University educated, white, and ambitious. They left their children with excellent educations, no debt, and a strong sense of mutual obligation to the 'social contract' that
How much do you thing that applies to any random native American or child of slavery?attitude transplant, in a world where 25% - 30 % of the American population adores the Orange Toad, this is unlikely.
I do not agree with reparations in terms of cash payments. But, fer crissakes, the oppression, indifference and results of that oppression and indifference are acutely visible to this day. Something must and should be done - but short of a complete
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
The issues with the Irish and the Italians were regional, and lasted, perhaps 75 years from end-to-end. And, the Irish and Italians intermarried with the incumbents (for lack of a better term) pretty freely. Neither the Irish, nor the Italians, nor thePoles, nor the Jews, nor the Lithuanians, were ever chattels (property).
Again, as long as one ignores 500 years of history, and as long as one ignores the fact that slaves, children of slaves and native Americans were denied the means of building wealth - education, land ownership, training, military opportunities,mortgages and much more - not for a few years, but for several centuries - your solution makes perfect sense.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
The issues with the Irish and the Italians were regional, and lasted, perhaps 75 years from end-to-end. And, the Irish and Italians intermarried with the incumbents (for lack of a better term) pretty freely. Neither the Irish, nor the Italians, nor thePoles, nor the Jews, nor the Lithuanians, were ever chattels (property).
Again, as long as one ignores 500 years of history, and as long as one ignores the fact that slaves, children of slaves and native Americans were denied the means of building wealth - education, land ownership, training, military opportunities,mortgages and much more - not for a few years, but for several centuries - your solution makes perfect sense.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Apply some logic:example. The last "Indian School" was closed in 1969, as another.
a) Native Americas and children of slaves were not given opportunities for education, training, mortgages, nor many of the other means to accumulate wealth as were whites of any origin. It took Harry Truman to integrate the Military as one single
b) Accordingly, the cumulative effect of wealth-gathering was denied to them as a race, as a class, as a group.sustains all of us. We have given our children excellent educations, left them with no debt, and they are doing the same for theirs. BUT - we have, between the four families, five houses, all paid for, 9 degrees, solid incomes, assured retirements, and
c) Today, as a race, class or group, they are still suffering from that denial with (generally) poorer education, fewer opportunities, reduced health, and much more.
d) So, there is a 500 year history of everything from direct oppression to complete indifference to overcome.
And, guess what? The entire "white" race continues to be enriched by this.
Neither of my parents spoke English as a first language. But they were both University educated, white, and ambitious. They left their children with excellent educations, no debt, and a strong sense of mutual obligation to the 'social contract' that
How much do you thing that applies to any random native American or child of slavery?attitude transplant, in a world where 25% - 30 % of the American population adores the Orange Toad, this is unlikely.
I do not agree with reparations in terms of cash payments. But, fer crissakes, the oppression, indifference and results of that oppression and indifference are acutely visible to this day. Something must and should be done - but short of a complete
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-05-08/california-reparations-task-force-votes-approve-cost-recommendations-800-billion
I thought it was a principle under civil law that when someone has
been wronged and compensation deemed appropriate, the money is taken
from those who have become unjustly enriched and given to those who
have suffered as a result of that wrongdoing. But that's not what's
being contemplated here. The persons who committed the original wrongs
are all long dead, as are those who suffered at their hands. I don't
see how one can justly apportion blame among those alive today. They
have done no wrong and the people who it is proposed to compensate
have suffered no wrong either.
What are we supposed to do? Just shrug and resign ourselves to saying California's different? Are they really going to go ahead with this?
On 2023/05/09 11:45 a.m., Peter W. wrote:
Apply some logic:
a) Native Americas and children of slaves were not given opportunities
for education, training, mortgages, nor many of the other means to
accumulate wealth as were whites of any origin. It took Harry Truman
to integrate the Military as one single example. The last "Indian
School" was closed in 1969, as another.
b) Accordingly, the cumulative effect of wealth-gathering was denied
to them as a race, as a class, as a group.
c) Today, as a race, class or group, they are still suffering from
that denial with (generally) poorer education, fewer opportunities,
reduced health, and much more.
d) So, there is a 500 year history of everything from direct
oppression to complete indifference to overcome.
And, guess what? The entire "white" race continues to be enriched by
this.
Neither of my parents spoke English as a first language. But they were
both University educated, white, and ambitious. They left their
children with excellent educations, no debt, and a strong sense of
mutual obligation to the 'social contract' that sustains all of us. We
have given our children excellent educations, left them with no debt,
and they are doing the same for theirs. BUT - we have, between the
four families, five houses, all paid for, 9 degrees, solid incomes,
assured retirements, and much more. Did I mention, no debt!
How much do you thing that applies to any random native American or
child of slavery?
I do not agree with reparations in terms of cash payments. But, fer
crissakes, the oppression, indifference and results of that oppression
and indifference are acutely visible to this day. Something must and
should be done - but short of a complete attitude transplant, in a
world where 25% - 30 % of the American population adores the Orange
Toad, this is unlikely.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Thanks for saying the above.
Political systems are responsible for the actions of their predecessors
for as long as the political system has been in continuous existence.
Thus in Canada we try to make reparations to those wronged by previous governments and hold Truth and Reconciliation councils.
Our federal and provincial governments were aware of the situation in
first nations reserves and did next to nothing. A federal health officer tried to get the federal parliament to pay attention to the death rate
and poverty back in 1910 and was pensioned off and spent some of his
last years on Parliament Hill handing out leaflets to people to try and
get people to look into this tragedy.
Everyone involved in this fiasco is long dead, but our federal
government (and most provincial governments) has accepted responsibility
for the actions of previous legal governments and is doing what it can
to change how things are done here.
That is how adults deal with past errors.
John
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 9:17:04?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:directly because of policies that allow welfare payments if there the father doesn't live with the child. Single mother and no father? Sign here thank you.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-05-08/california-reparations-task-force-votes-approve-cost-recommendations-800-billion
I thought it was a principle under civil law that when someone has
been wronged and compensation deemed appropriate, the money is taken
from those who have become unjustly enriched and given to those who
have suffered as a result of that wrongdoing. But that's not what's
being contemplated here. The persons who committed the original wrongs
are all long dead, as are those who suffered at their hands. I don't
see how one can justly apportion blame among those alive today. They
have done no wrong and the people who it is proposed to compensate
have suffered no wrong either.
What are we supposed to do? Just shrug and resign ourselves to saying
California's different? Are they really going to go ahead with this?
Ah yes, the foul stench of white liberals falling over themselves to show how evolved they are. Fork over money, but don't let us in your neighborhoods. Pay and look away.
Nothing has ruined our prospects more than "good" intentions doing far more harm than good. In America, black children are now born to single mothers at more than twice the rate of the 1960s and at a far higher rate than white families, and this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNYCPZXvlwThey are actually the racists but will never recognize this.
If whitey is the one with the privilege, why do formerly disadvantaged groups like Asians and Indians/Pakistanis now exceed whites in education and family income? Liberals say all the right things but they don't believe down deep that we are equals.
No one in this world, so far as I know and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public officethereby.
H.L. Mencken
Mr. Patterson, Mr. Doom, thank you for being such exemplars of the above.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
On Thu, 18 May 2023 10:04:54 -0700 (PDT), Guy Pattersondirectly because of policies that allow welfare payments if there the father doesn't live with the child. Single mother and no father? Sign here thank you.
<str0...@aol.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 9:17:04?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-05-08/california-reparations-task-force-votes-approve-cost-recommendations-800-billion
I thought it was a principle under civil law that when someone has
been wronged and compensation deemed appropriate, the money is taken
from those who have become unjustly enriched and given to those who
have suffered as a result of that wrongdoing. But that's not what's
being contemplated here. The persons who committed the original wrongs
are all long dead, as are those who suffered at their hands. I don't
see how one can justly apportion blame among those alive today. They
have done no wrong and the people who it is proposed to compensate
have suffered no wrong either.
What are we supposed to do? Just shrug and resign ourselves to saying
California's different? Are they really going to go ahead with this?
Ah yes, the foul stench of white liberals falling over themselves to show how evolved they are. Fork over money, but don't let us in your neighborhoods. Pay and look away.
Nothing has ruined our prospects more than "good" intentions doing far more harm than good. In America, black children are now born to single mothers at more than twice the rate of the 1960s and at a far higher rate than white families, and this is
They are actually the racists but will never recognize this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNYCPZXvlw
If whitey is the one with the privilege, why do formerly disadvantaged groups like Asians and Indians/Pakistanis now exceed whites in education and family income? Liberals say all the right things but they don't believe down deep that we are equals.
There will now follow a stunned silence whilst white liberal racists
try to come to terms with the consequences of their policies. Or more likely, they'll just come up with some more dogma in an effort to
cover their tracks.
On Mon, 22 May 2023 03:54:02 -0700 (PDT), "Peter W."public office thereby.”
<peterwieck33@gmail.com> wrote:
“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost
H.L. Mencken
Mr. Patterson, Mr. Doom, thank you for being such exemplars of the above.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
You people have been well and truly brainwashed. You can't see it's a
cult you've bought into and you're totally blind to reality.
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:15:53?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:directly because of policies that allow welfare payments if there the father doesn't live with the child. Single mother and no father? Sign here thank you.
On Thu, 18 May 2023 10:04:54 -0700 (PDT), Guy Patterson
<str0...@aol.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 9:17:04?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-05-08/california-reparations-task-force-votes-approve-cost-recommendations-800-billion
I thought it was a principle under civil law that when someone has
been wronged and compensation deemed appropriate, the money is taken
from those who have become unjustly enriched and given to those who
have suffered as a result of that wrongdoing. But that's not what's
being contemplated here. The persons who committed the original wrongs
are all long dead, as are those who suffered at their hands. I don't
see how one can justly apportion blame among those alive today. They
have done no wrong and the people who it is proposed to compensate
have suffered no wrong either.
What are we supposed to do? Just shrug and resign ourselves to saying
California's different? Are they really going to go ahead with this?
Ah yes, the foul stench of white liberals falling over themselves to show how evolved they are. Fork over money, but don't let us in your neighborhoods. Pay and look away.
Nothing has ruined our prospects more than "good" intentions doing far more harm than good. In America, black children are now born to single mothers at more than twice the rate of the 1960s and at a far higher rate than white families, and this is
They are actually the racists but will never recognize this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNYCPZXvlw
If whitey is the one with the privilege, why do formerly disadvantaged groups like Asians and Indians/Pakistanis now exceed whites in education and family income? Liberals say all the right things but they don't believe down deep that we are equals.
There will now follow a stunned silence whilst white liberal racists
try to come to terms with the consequences of their policies. Or more
likely, they'll just come up with some more dogma in an effort to
cover their tracks.
If you can't argue facts and actual history, then falling back to insulting the intelligence of those posting fact is all that's left.
On Mon, 22 May 2023 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT), "ohg...@gmail.com" <ohger1s@gmail.com> wrote:directly because of policies that allow welfare payments if there the father doesn't live with the child. Single mother and no father? Sign here thank you.
On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:15:53?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2023 10:04:54 -0700 (PDT), Guy Patterson
<str0...@aol.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 9:17:04?AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-05-08/california-reparations-task-force-votes-approve-cost-recommendations-800-billion
I thought it was a principle under civil law that when someone has
been wronged and compensation deemed appropriate, the money is taken >>>>> from those who have become unjustly enriched and given to those who
have suffered as a result of that wrongdoing. But that's not what's
being contemplated here. The persons who committed the original wrongs >>>>> are all long dead, as are those who suffered at their hands. I don't >>>>> see how one can justly apportion blame among those alive today. They >>>>> have done no wrong and the people who it is proposed to compensate
have suffered no wrong either.
What are we supposed to do? Just shrug and resign ourselves to saying >>>>> California's different? Are they really going to go ahead with this?
Ah yes, the foul stench of white liberals falling over themselves to show how evolved they are. Fork over money, but don't let us in your neighborhoods. Pay and look away.
Nothing has ruined our prospects more than "good" intentions doing far more harm than good. In America, black children are now born to single mothers at more than twice the rate of the 1960s and at a far higher rate than white families, and this is
They are actually the racists but will never recognize this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNYCPZXvlw
If whitey is the one with the privilege, why do formerly disadvantaged groups like Asians and Indians/Pakistanis now exceed whites in education and family income? Liberals say all the right things but they don't believe down deep that we are equals.
There will now follow a stunned silence whilst white liberal racists
try to come to terms with the consequences of their policies. Or more
likely, they'll just come up with some more dogma in an effort to
cover their tracks.
If you can't argue facts and actual history, then falling back to insulting the intelligence of those posting fact is all that's left.
Not me. I was insulting their *lack* of intelligence.
Based on your incredible life experience with that problem.
This has not one damned thing to do with party, democrat, republican, libertarian, communist, green, whatever. It has to do with massive, systemic and deliberate neglect, and industrial-grade stupidity mixed equally with Mil.Spec. ignorance.
I think you're being a bit tough on yourself Peter. Nobody is too old to learn.
I think you're being a bit tough on yourself Peter. Nobody is too old to learn.Yep.
Next time you need surgery, require a prescription drug, require a prosthesis, benefit from medical research - keep in mind that someone like me made it possible. Learning is what we do, so you can benefit from the research of others.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:39:25 PM UTC-4, Peter W. wrote:
I think you're being a bit tough on yourself Peter. Nobody is too old to learn.Yep.
Next time you need surgery, require a prescription drug, require a prosthesis, benefit from medical research - keep in mind that someone like me made it possible. Learning is what we do, so you can benefit from the research of others.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Someone like you? I think if medical researchers were much like you, the plague would still be running rampant around the globe..
Based on your incredible life experience with that problem.
Keep in mind that the Average American:
Does not have a college education, including an Associate Degree (60%).
Does not have a passport (64%).
Speaks one language badly (74%).
Has never traveled voluntarily more than 200 miles from his/her birthplace (57%).
Has never visited a foreign country, not even Mexico or Canada (71%).
Cannot name the Speaker of the House, even today (82%)
Cannot name the three branches of government (64%)
Cannot read at a college level (83%)
Cannot read for content (54%). This person cannot follow written-only directions.
60% of American Households do not buy any book in a year (includes Kindle and similar).
Does not believe in Evolution (42% creationism, 32% evolution, 26% no opinion).
Only 73% of eligible voters are registered.
Only 67% of registered voters voted in 2020.
Meaning that the average American eligible to vote does not vote (only 48.9% net). Repeat: The Average American does not vote.
This has not one damned thing to do with party, democrat, republican, libertarian, communist, green, whatever. It has to do with massive, systemic and deliberate neglect, and industrial-grade stupidity mixed equally with Mil.Spec. ignorance.
I wonder how many of the above boxes Doom and his cronies check?--
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
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