On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 7:54:43 PM UTC-5, vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I remember ca 1971 (I was ten) Readers Digest mentioned fires from answering >> machine adaptors. So I have always been wary about leaving an adaptor
plugged in for long. I generally didn't leave my fax or answering machine
plugged in for long and generally abhored leaving computers on for days. (ca >> 1986 my workplace had a semicomical incident where they ran a simulation all >> night and the janitor kept shutting it off). Now I hear radio ads from the >> patent office about "fakes" causing fires, and I wonder who is right? Where >> do you draw the line? Would you trust Chinese made ryobi battery+charger (40V
Lithium) clones from China? Would you trust a microwave or space heater from >> CHina or Vietnam? WHat about a simple light socket (that costs $1.50)? What >> rules of thumb do you folks use in evaluating such?
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On 12/19/23 15:57, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 7:54:43?PM UTC-5, vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I remember ca 1971 (I was ten) Readers Digest mentioned fires from answering
machine adaptors. So I have always been wary about leaving an adaptor
plugged in for long. I generally didn't leave my fax or answering machine >>> plugged in for long and generally abhored leaving computers on for days. (ca
1986 my workplace had a semicomical incident where they ran a simulation all
night and the janitor kept shutting it off). Now I hear radio ads from the >>> patent office about "fakes" causing fires, and I wonder who is right? Where >>> do you draw the line? Would you trust Chinese made ryobi battery+charger (40V
Lithium) clones from China? Would you trust a microwave or space heater from
CHina or Vietnam? WHat about a simple light socket (that costs $1.50)? What >>> rules of thumb do you folks use in evaluating such?
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Smoke alarms, escape plans, insurance...
Seconded. I leave things on all the time, especially adapters. Almost >everyone does. If I bought it from a store with a real reputation, I
assume it to be safe. If I bought it online from a no-name seller or
built it, I assume it to be unsafe until proven otherwise.
It sounds like there was a spate of faulty adapters in *1971*. Avoiding
all adapters is like avoiding all phones because of Galaxy Note 7s had a >manufacturing defect that made them caught fire. Actually, since it was
1971, it's more like avoiding all phones because the ENIAC's vacuum
tubes burned out a lot. Proper commercial products catching fire is very
much the exception, not the rule.
Stores like Amazon sell a lot of stuff that isn't "proper commercial >products". Youtube user "bigclivedotcom" has demonstrated this by taking
some apart. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqJnFhhPAis -
possibly the most famous because of the accompanying song: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioAq7PI1Uwg - has a *quarter of a
millimeter* gap in between mains power and something that connects to
your fingers. That's a bargain-bin cheap one imported from China. It
wouldn't have cost them anything to move those wires apart, but they
didn't care.
I've also seen teardowns of *official* Apple chargers (mains-to-USB
adapters) showing surprisingly high quality, with good quality
components, proper design, and better filtering than necessary. Apple
might be dogshit because of its lock-in philosophy, but at least its
adapters are well built.
You might unplug them to save the last scrap of power, though.
On 12/19/23 15:57, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 7:54:43 PM UTC-5, vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I remember ca 1971 (I was ten) Readers Digest mentioned fires from answering
machine adaptors. So I have always been wary about leaving an adaptor
plugged in for long. I generally didn't leave my fax or answering machine >>> plugged in for long and generally abhored leaving computers on for days. (ca
1986 my workplace had a semicomical incident where they ran a simulation all
night and the janitor kept shutting it off). Now I hear radio ads from the >>> patent office about "fakes" causing fires, and I wonder who is right? Where >>> do you draw the line? Would you trust Chinese made ryobi battery+charger (40V
Lithium) clones from China? Would you trust a microwave or space heater from
CHina or Vietnam? WHat about a simple light socket (that costs $1.50)? What >>> rules of thumb do you folks use in evaluating such?
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Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
Smoke alarms, escape plans, insurance...
Seconded. I leave things on all the time, especially adapters. Almost everyone does. If I bought it from a store with a real reputation, I
assume it to be safe. If I bought it online from a no-name seller or
built it, I assume it to be unsafe until proven otherwise.
It sounds like there was a spate of faulty adapters in *1971*. Avoiding
all adapters is like avoiding all phones because of Galaxy Note 7s had a manufacturing defect that made them caught fire. Actually, since it was
1971,
On 12/19/23 15:57, ohg...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 7:54:43 PM UTC-5, vjp...@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
I remember ca 1971 (I was ten) Readers Digest mentioned fires from answering
machine adaptors. So I have always been wary about leaving an adaptor
plugged in for long. I generally didn't leave my fax or answering machine >>> plugged in for long and generally abhored leaving computers on for days. (ca
1986 my workplace had a semicomical incident where they ran a simulation all
night and the janitor kept shutting it off). Now I hear radio ads from the >>> patent office about "fakes" causing fires, and I wonder who is right? Where >>> do you draw the line? Would you trust Chinese made ryobi battery+charger (40V
Lithium) clones from China? Would you trust a microwave or space heater from
CHina or Vietnam? WHat about a simple light socket (that costs $1.50)? What >>> rules of thumb do you folks use in evaluating such?
--
Vasos Panagiotopoulos panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
Smoke alarms, escape plans, insurance...
Seconded. I leave things on all the time, especially adapters. Almost everyone does. If I bought it from a store with a real reputation, I
assume it to be safe. If I bought it online from a no-name seller or
built it, I assume it to be unsafe until proven otherwise.
It sounds like there was a spate of faulty adapters in *1971*. Avoiding
all adapters is like avoiding all phones because of Galaxy Note 7s had a manufacturing defect that made them caught fire. Actually, since it was
1971, it's more like avoiding all phones because the ENIAC's vacuum
tubes burned out a lot. Proper commercial products catching fire is very
much the exception, not the rule.
Stores like Amazon sell a lot of stuff that isn't "proper commercial products". Youtube user "bigclivedotcom" has demonstrated this by taking
some apart. This one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqJnFhhPAis -
possibly the most famous because of the accompanying song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioAq7PI1Uwg - has a *quarter of a
millimeter* gap in between mains power and something that connects to
your fingers. That's a bargain-bin cheap one imported from China. It
wouldn't have cost them anything to move those wires apart, but they
didn't care.
I've also seen teardowns of *official* Apple chargers (mains-to-USB
adapters) showing surprisingly high quality, with good quality
components, proper design, and better filtering than necessary. Apple
might be dogshit because of its lock-in philosophy, but at least its
adapters are well built.
You might unplug them to save the last scrap of power, though.
I remember ca 1971 (I was ten) Readers Digest mentioned fires from answering machine adaptors. So I have always been wary about leaving an adaptor plugged in for long. I generally didn't leave my fax or answering machine plugged in for long and generally abhored leaving computers on for days. (ca 1986 my workplace had a semicomical incident where they ran a simulation all night and the janitor kept shutting it off). Now I hear radio ads from the patent office about "fakes" causing fires, and I wonder who is right? Where do you draw the line? Would you trust Chinese made ryobi battery+charger (40V Lithium) clones from China? Would you trust a microwave or space heater from CHina or Vietnam? WHat about a simple light socket (that costs $1.50)? What rules of thumb do you folks use in evaluating such?
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