Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?
Due to the pre-production nature of the engineering sample processors,
they are generally only loaned to OEMs, ODMs, and ISVs for pre-production test and evaluation work under specific contractual terms and conditions
to assure the protection of assets and confidential information.
Engineering sample processors are not made available
to the general public by Intel."
In effect, you're in possession of stolen goods.
The whole idea is, no matter what happens, those goods are
not to be circulating in the hands of the public. You could give
them back to the local rep, and he could have them shredded.
(Some factories shred their e-waste to prevent recovery by
waste removal people.)
Those samples could have defects, maybe they don't have
a 100,000 hour operating life (early mortality). They might not
even compute properly at full speed. Like an ES 3GHz processor,
there might be an errata sheet in the box, stating you're supposed
to run them at 2GHz.
Intel could also mark them with sufficient information, to
trace them back to who received them. To determine who is leaking
them and violating a contract term.
With other manufacturers, those parts are the equivalent of the
"qual barrel". And the stuff in the qual barrel, is definitely
not production quality.
Not allowing them to be sold, is to protect *you* from receiving
inferior goods.
** True story:
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a "pre-production" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker's logo and the same model number as the later versions.
Well that was pretty stupid of them.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.
Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.
So he lied.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================
** True story:
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a "pre-production" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker's logo and the same model number as the later versions.
Well that was pretty stupid of them.
** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would have been used in the same company's hire business.
Needed to look right for that job.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal. >> >- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.
Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer
So he lied.
** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up hurting the company he worked for.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.
** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would have been used in the same company's hire business.No need to have the same model number.
Needed to look right for that job.
So he lied.
** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up hurting the company he worked for.
That is a lie,
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.
No,
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:44:24 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================
** True story:
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a
"pre-production" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional >>> > use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the >>> > road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was
heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker's logo and the same >>> > model number as the later versions.
Well that was pretty stupid of them.
** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would have
been used in the same company's hire business.
Needed to look right for that job.
No need to have the same model number.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at
disposal.
Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could
sell them all to a local second hand dealer
the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.
So he lied.
** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up hurting
the company he worked for.
That is a lie, he did not say they were tests.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own
benefit.
No, if I buy an engineering sample advertised as such, I don't expect it
to work perfectly.
Newsgroups reinstated.
I've only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason.
I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right places, leaving the tracks as orphans.
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market
had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused any trouble during the lives of the products.
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
rbowman wrote :
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS
was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation
increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got
hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.
The BBC computer had a similar problem - the early versions had to have
an heatsink on a certain chip to keep it cool, I half remember. I also
had a timing issue with an S100 computer I built and partially designed.
I finally spotted the issue, when I could afford to buy a 'scope, but by
then it was too late - my homebuilt was due for replacement with
something better.
I think now that designer have simply become more skilled and obviously
the range of components have improved massively.
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.
I've only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason. I had a computer once where the pcb had been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right places, leaving the tracks as orphans.
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused any trouble during the lives of the products. The CD100 is in fact still working, although its tendency to jump if a gnat walks across the floor shows it does not have the memory buffers in modern players.
Brian
Brian Gaff Shithead Trollpuked:
=============================
I've only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason.
** No you don't.
I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the >> tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right
places, leaving the tracks as orphans.
** So fucking what ? That is not an example..
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with >> known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs >> splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.
The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market
had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside >> it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused >> any trouble during the lives of the products.
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================
No need to have the same model number.
** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would have been used in the same company's hire business.
Needed to look right for that job.
** To assist sales of the new model - it was needed.
So he lied.
** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up hurting the company he worked for.
That is a lie,
** He was simply being " economical with the facts" some of which he did not know.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.
No,
** Yes - you fucking LIAR
On 01/04/2022 01:13 AM, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with >> known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs >> splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
When the ZX80 came out it was available as an unassembled kit for $99. I don't remember the exact problem but I had to tweak it ti get it to run.
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS
was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation
increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got hot.
I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.
Back in those days I could see the components without a microscope so component level troubleshooting was feasible.
On 04/01/2022 16:08, charles wrote:
In article <sr1psh$2l2$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq
<a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
rbowman wrote :
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS
was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation
increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got
hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.
The BBC computer had a similar problem - the early versions had to have
an heatsink on a certain chip to keep it cool, I half remember.
I had one of the very early ones and don't remember any such problem.
They were supplied initially with a non-switching P/S that ran rather
hot, but a better switch-mode power supply (astec?) was supplied free-of-charge a few months later.
On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 11:48:23 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 16:01:22 -0000 (UTC), Sysadmin <j...@home.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 15:42:08 +0000, Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:Remember all those "sx" processors? DX Processores where the
rbowman wrote :
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS
was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation
increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got
hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.
The BBC computer had a similar problem - the early versions had to have >> >> an heatsink on a certain chip to keep it cool, I half remember. I also
had a timing issue with an S100 computer I built and partially designed. >> >> I finally spotted the issue, when I could afford to buy a 'scope, but by >> >> then it was too late - my homebuilt was due for replacement with
something better.
I think now that designer have simply become more skilled and obviously >> >> the range of components have improved massively.
They use logic analysers in simulations now before the design gets
anywhere near a product.
floating point processors built on the fie were defective, and rather
than discard everything they just blew a few "fuses" on the chip and
sold them as SX on boards where an external FPU could be mounted if
you needed the FPU function
That's another myth. At introduction, the SX's used the same silicone
as the DX product, with the floating point unit untested and disabled.
If Intel were to have relied on die where the floating point unit was defective, there wouldn't have been enough to meet the enormous demand
for SX product. This was high yield production at Intel not Joe's
crap line. And within a year Intel had a new SX version with the floating point
unit removed, which made the die smaller, less costly to produce
and more profitable. That was the plan all along.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:44:24 -0000, Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================
** True story:
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a
"pre-production" batch of a new model power amplifier for
professional use. They wisely chose to road test it in the
expected environment - on the road with live bands. They proved to be >>>> problematic in several respects and the design
was heavily revised for the production version. The sample amps were
fully labelled with the maker's logo and the
same model number as the later versions.
Well that was pretty stupid of them.
** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would
have been used in the same company's hire business. Needed to
look right for that job.
No need to have the same model number.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on
disposal. Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided
he
could sell them all to a local second hand dealer
sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large
mark up. So he lied.
** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up
hurting the company he worked for.
That is a lie, he did not say they were tests.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their
own benefit.
No, if I buy an engineering sample advertised as such, I don't expect
it to work perfectly.
Newsgroups reinstated.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.
No,
** Yes - you fucking LIAR
Again, "my question was about selling them as engineering samples",
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================
I've only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things >> can slip out for whatever reason.
** No you don't.
I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the
tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right >> places, leaving the tracks as orphans.
** So fucking what ? That is not an example..
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with
known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs >> splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.
The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market >> had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside
it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused >> any trouble during the lives of the products.
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
Do grow up.
And if you're going to insult someone, you need to post it to the group he reads it in.
Let me make this simple for your simple mind:
I spot a car that's left unlocked. I point it out to you. You steal
the car. Who's the theif?
You are complicit where you are aiding and abetting the theft through
Joint Enterprise.
Stop being such a pedantic fuckwit. There is no judge on this earth who would do me for saying to you, "hey that car's not locked".
They absolutely would if, based on the knowledge you gave, Fred stole it
and you did nothing to stop him.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/inchoate-offences
In fact, for serious crimes you could be prosecuted for simply suggesting a criminal act even if that act never occurred.
Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote: =========================================
** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================
I've only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things >> >> can slip out for whatever reason.
** No you don't.
I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the
tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right >> >> places, leaving the tracks as orphans.
** So fucking what ? That is not an example..
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with
known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs
splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.
The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market >> >> had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside
it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused
any trouble during the lives of the products.
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
Do grow up.
And if you're going to insult someone, you need to post it to the group he reads it in.
** The "reply all '' icon works for me.
Fuckhead.
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a "pre-production" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker's logo and the same model number as the later versions.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.
Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer - letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:44:24 -0000, Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================
** True story:
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a
"pre-production" batch of a new model power amplifier for
professional use. They wisely chose to road test it in the
expected environment - on the road with live bands. They proved to be >>>>> problematic in several respects and the design
was heavily revised for the production version. The sample amps were >>>>> fully labelled with the maker's logo and the
same model number as the later versions.
Well that was pretty stupid of them.
** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would
have been used in the same company's hire business. Needed to
look right for that job.
No need to have the same model number.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on
disposal. Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided >>>>> he
could sell them all to a local second hand dealer
sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large
mark up. So he lied.
** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up
hurting the company he worked for.
That is a lie, he did not say they were tests.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their
own benefit.
No, if I buy an engineering sample advertised as such, I don't expect
it to work perfectly.
Newsgroups reinstated.
Hucker is a well known troll. Best not to feed the twat.
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.=============================
I've only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason.
** No you don't.
I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the
tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right
places, leaving the tracks as orphans.
** So fucking what ? That is not an example..
Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with
known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs
splayed and wired to make the circuit work.
** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.
The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market
had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside
it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused
any trouble during the lives of the products.
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
Do grow up.
Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.
And if you're going to insult someone, you need to post it to the group he reads it in.
** The "reply all '' icon works for me.
Fuckhead.
No, it's broken.
You're only posting to one group, and he isn't in it.
But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.
** The situations are parallel.
In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.
No,
** Yes - you fucking LIAR
Again, "my question was about selling them as engineering samples",
** With a caveat they were not for sale as they may contain defects. Exactly like the 20 amps I cited.
FOAD you pig headed troll.
If the buyer knows what they're getting,
Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.
Not knowing they're stolen doesn't mean you get to keep them. They will rightfully be confiscated from you.
It's not rightfull.
The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.
In article <a7a7f139-fbf3-467c-86f5-46f181638a42n@googlegroups.com>, pallison49@gmail.com says...
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a "pre-production" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker's logo and the same model number as the later versions.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal. >>
Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer - letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.
Sounds like many of the components comming out of China on ebay. Others
they must relable junk parts to company logos.
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.=============================
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
Do grow up.
Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.
** But you need to stop mother fucking - really.Don't be such a prude.
** Tell Google Groups, not me.
ROTFPMSL! You use google groups?!
I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.
You're only posting to one group, and he isn't in it.
** But *strangely* his words are .... and he reacted to my post.
AFAIK he's only in alt.computer.workshop.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:05:30 -0000, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
On 04/01/2022 16:08, charles wrote:
In article <sr1psh$2l2$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq
<a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
rbowman wrote :
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS >>>>> was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation
increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got
hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.
The BBC computer had a similar problem - the early versions had to have >>>> an heatsink on a certain chip to keep it cool, I half remember.
I had one of the very early ones and don't remember any such problem.
They were supplied initially with a non-switching P/S that ran rather
hot, but a better switch-mode power supply (astec?) was supplied
free-of-charge a few months later.
The ones I encountered were very heavy, so I assume not switching. I
don't remember excessive heat. It's not like we used to run the CPUs
flat out back then.
On 01/04/2022 12:05 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:05:30 -0000, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:
On 04/01/2022 16:08, charles wrote:
In article <sr1psh$2l2$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq
<a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
rbowman wrote :
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS >>>>>> was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation >>>>>> increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got >>>>>> hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.
The BBC computer had a similar problem - the early versions had to have >>>>> an heatsink on a certain chip to keep it cool, I half remember.
I had one of the very early ones and don't remember any such problem.
They were supplied initially with a non-switching P/S that ran rather
hot, but a better switch-mode power supply (astec?) was supplied
free-of-charge a few months later.
The ones I encountered were very heavy, so I assume not switching. I
don't remember excessive heat. It's not like we used to run the CPUs
flat out back then.
What, you didn't have a Turbo button?
Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================
Don't be such a prude.Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.=============================
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
Do grow up.
Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.
** But you need to stop mother fucking - really.
** Take pig rooting instread.
** Tell Google Groups, not me.
ROTFPMSL! You use google groups?!
** Works really well.
I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.
** Go ahead = make my day ...
You're only posting to one group, and he isn't in it.
** But *strangely* his words are .... and he reacted to my post.
AFAIK he's only in alt.computer.workshop.
** I have known Brian Gaff for almost 20 years.
He lives in the UK, posts only on " uk.rec.audio ",
he is geriatric, blind and a massive troll.
But a not a raving, psycho morn like you.
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
** Works really well.Clearly not.
I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.
** Go ahead = make my day ...
You can only say that when brandishing a gun.
AFAIK he's only in alt.computer.workshop.
** I have known Brian Gaff for almost 20 years.
He lives in the UK, posts only on " uk.rec.audio ",
he is geriatric, blind and a massive troll.
But a not a raving, psycho morn like you.
Oops, wrong person, I was thinking of David.
He is blind, but the other two things are inapplicable.
Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================
Clearly not.Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.
** Works really well.
** Bullshit.
I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.
** Go ahead = make my day ...
You can only say that when brandishing a gun.
** More bullshit. When Reagan famously spoke it, there was no gun,
AFAIK he's only in alt.computer.workshop.
** I have known Brian Gaff for almost 20 years.
He lives in the UK, posts only on " uk.rec.audio ",
he is geriatric, blind and a massive troll.
But a not a raving, psycho morn like you.
Oops, wrong person, I was thinking of David.
** You are full of bullshit - right to the eyeballs.
He is blind, but the other two things are inapplicable.
** Brian Gaff is all of them and more.
Raving Lunatic Fucking Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote: =====================================
** When you have nothing left to say -
SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!
ASD fucked LOSER.
Total FUCKWIT Commander Kinsey wrote:
=================================
Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.
Not knowing they're stolen doesn't mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.
It's not rightfull.
** By law they must be - so rightful.
The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.
** LOL - more narcissistic CRAP from a total fuckhead.
Responsibility works it's way up the tree.
Each party owes the one they supplied, unless the *purchaser* was knowing OR reckless at to legal ownership.
Then they are liable for handling stolen property.
FYI:
In my business ( electronics repairs) I sometimes get offered stolen items to fix.
The giveaway is the "owner" has no clue about the fault or how the thing is even operated.
Refusing to say how or where he got it is a cincher as are missing serial numbers.
If I know or reasonably suspect an item in my workshop was stolen, I cannot legally give it back.
Funny how the culprits do not see it that way....
..... Phil
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| Uptime: | 40:24:20 |
| Calls: | 8,336 |
| Calls today: | 13 |
| Files: | 13,155 |
| Messages: | 5,891,361 |
| Posted today: | 1 |