• advance towards green hydrogen

    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 24 03:43:51 2025
    From the «iridium shmiridium» department:
    Title: Low-iridium device speeds progress towards green hydrogen
    Author:
    Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 00:00:00 +0000
    Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00504-6

    Nature, Published online: 19 February 2025; doi:10.1038/d41586-025-00504-6[1]
    A catalyst that reduces usage of an expensive rare metal could help to make hydrogen fuel affordable.

    Links:
    [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00504-6 (link)

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Feb 26 20:10:04 2025
    On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:13:15 -0600
    JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    On 24 Feb 2025 03:43:51 GMT, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    A catalyst that reduces usage of an expensive rare metal
    could help to make hydrogen fuel affordable.

    I do know a few in the scientific community have been looking for a
    better way since the 1980s
    =======

    September 15, 2022

    Any update since then; when can we expect cheap non-lethal^wpolluting
    hydrogen powered cars? And how heavy, and how many miles (or km) can we
    expect between tank swaps?

    New iron catalyst could - finally! - make hydrogen fuel cells
    affordable

    For decades, scientists have been searching for a catalyst that
    dramatically reduces the cost of fabricating hydrogen fuel cells.
    ...
    ...
    In a study published Thursday (July 7) in Nature Energy, scientists
    describe how iron can be combined with nitrogen and carbon to produce
    a catalyst that is efficient, durable and inexpensive - the three main objectives the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has identified for fuel
    cell research.

    https://www.aau.edu/research-scholarship/featured-research-topics/new-iron-catalyst-could-finally-make-hydrogen-fuel


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    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to admin@127.0.0.1 on Wed Feb 26 21:44:08 2025
    On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 20:10:04 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    September 15, 2022

    Any update since then


    2024 Toyota Mirai
    Range 357 to 402 mi battery-only

    Honda's Revolutionary Plug-In Hydrogen Car Launches in Japan
    621 km on hydrogen and 61 km on battery alone.

    https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/hondas-revolutionary-plug-in-hydrogen-car-launches-in-japan-tomorrow

    Hydrogen ICEs do work, but I'm not aware of them being sold.

    Japan may have a hydrogen "economy" in the future.
    ====================

    Hydrogen is developing fast in Japan, edging nearer to wider use in
    society

    Apr 10, 2024

    Japan is a global leader in hydrogen technology development, largely
    due to its strategic emphasis on hydrogen as a next-generation energy
    source.

    Japanese companies are pioneering the application of hydrogen
    technology across various sectors, including steelmaking.
    Despite the optimistic outlook and advancements, Japan, like the rest
    of the world, faces challenges in making hydrogen energy economically
    viable.

    https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/04/hydrogen-japan/

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 26 11:13:15 2025
    On 24 Feb 2025 03:43:51 GMT, Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>
    wrote:

    A catalyst that reduces usage of an expensive rare metal
    could help to make hydrogen fuel affordable.

    I do know a few in the scientific community have been looking for a
    better way since the 1980s
    =======

    September 15, 2022

    New iron catalyst could - finally! - make hydrogen fuel cells
    affordable

    For decades, scientists have been searching for a catalyst that
    dramatically reduces the cost of fabricating hydrogen fuel cells.
    ...
    ...
    In a study published Thursday (July 7) in Nature Energy, scientists
    describe how iron can be combined with nitrogen and carbon to produce
    a catalyst that is efficient, durable and inexpensive - the three main objectives the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) has identified for fuel
    cell research.

    https://www.aau.edu/research-scholarship/featured-research-topics/new-iron-catalyst-could-finally-make-hydrogen-fuel

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Thu Feb 27 14:30:15 2025
    On Wed, 26 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 20:10:04 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    September 15, 2022

    Any update since then


    2024 Toyota Mirai
    Range 357 to 402 mi battery-only

    Honda's Revolutionary Plug-In Hydrogen Car Launches in Japan
    621 km on hydrogen and 61 km on battery alone.

    https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/hondas-revolutionary-plug-in-hydrogen-car-launches-in-japan-tomorrow

    Hydrogen ICEs do work, but I'm not aware of them being sold.

    Japan may have a hydrogen "economy" in the future.
    ====================

    Hydrogen is developing fast in Japan, edging nearer to wider use in
    society

    How do you store it safely at scale? I think this is the biggest problem.
    If that problem is solved, those cars are much better for the environment
    and will be way easier to get to work at large.

    Apr 10, 2024

    Japan is a global leader in hydrogen technology development, largely
    due to its strategic emphasis on hydrogen as a next-generation energy
    source.

    Japanese companies are pioneering the application of hydrogen
    technology across various sectors, including steelmaking.
    Despite the optimistic outlook and advancements, Japan, like the rest
    of the world, faces challenges in making hydrogen energy economically
    viable.

    https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/04/hydrogen-japan/


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Feb 27 08:04:08 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025 14:30:15 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    How do you store it safely at scale?

    https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/04/hydrogen-japan/

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Mar 1 11:58:31 2025
    On Thu, 27 Feb 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 20:10:04 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    September 15, 2022

    Any update since then....

    New iron catalyst could

    The "could" word has been used for some 40 years....I'm waiting for
    the "will" word.

    If a catalyst can be found to do hydrolysis cheaply, I would expect a world-wide hydrogen based usage for vehicles/etc.

    The key is in the storing and shipping. Then hydrogen can be created
    cheaply around the equator with solar power.

    Long term storage of hydrogen is difficult.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to admin@127.0.0.1 on Thu Feb 27 08:11:48 2025
    On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 20:10:04 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    September 15, 2022

    Any update since then....

    New iron catalyst could

    The "could" word has been used for some 40 years....I'm waiting for
    the "will" word.

    If a catalyst can be found to do hydrolysis cheaply, I would expect a world-wide hydrogen based usage for vehicles/etc.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Tue Mar 4 12:41:36 2025
    On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 11:58:31 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Long term storage of hydrogen is difficult.


    Presently available storage options typically require large-volume
    systems that store hydrogen in gaseous form. This is less of an issue
    for stationary applications, where the footprint of compressed gas
    tanks may be less critical.

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Tue Mar 4 21:52:19 2025
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Mar 2025 11:58:31 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Long term storage of hydrogen is difficult.


    Presently available storage options typically require large-volume
    systems that store hydrogen in gaseous form. This is less of an issue
    for stationary applications, where the footprint of compressed gas
    tanks may be less critical.

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-storage


    This is the truth. Problematic for moving it around though, and having it
    move around.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Thu Mar 6 19:16:43 2025
    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 21:52:19 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Problematic for moving it around though, and having it
    move around.

    "At the beginning of 2021, 30+ countries have released
    H2 roadmaps, 200 H2 projects have been announced and
    governments have committed $70B+ in public funding."
    - Hydrogen Insights, February 2021

    https://www.emerson.com/documents/automation/product-brochure-hydrogen-%E2%80%93-natural-gas-blending-solutions-brochure-emerson-en-en-7838030.pdf

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  • From D@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Mar 7 11:46:16 2025
    On Thu, 6 Mar 2025, JAB wrote:

    On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 21:52:19 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Problematic for moving it around though, and having it
    move around.

    "At the beginning of 2021, 30+ countries have released
    H2 roadmaps, 200 H2 projects have been announced and
    governments have committed $70B+ in public funding."
    - Hydrogen Insights, February 2021

    https://www.emerson.com/documents/automation/product-brochure-hydrogen-%E2%80%93-natural-gas-blending-solutions-brochure-emerson-en-en-7838030.pdf

    Now compare that with electric. Instead of letting the market decide, governments have made the decision that electric is "the truth". It is nonsense. The truth is that different technologies will be the "best" for different use cases.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to nospam@example.net on Fri Mar 7 12:03:41 2025
    On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 11:46:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

    Now compare that with electric.

    If a low cost H2 catalyst exists, expect the hydrogen produced to be
    generated and used at power plants.

    electric is "the truth"

    Correct....if the above happens.

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