If Ukrainians don't want to fight for Ukraine, why are we financing this
war?
Concerned citizen poses tough questions.
On 11/19/2023 10:21 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
If Ukrainians don't want to fight for Ukraine, why are we financing
this war?
Concerned citizen poses tough questions.
Чтобы сломать хребет путлеризма и не пришлось в будущем призывать
озабоченных граждан.
Ебнутый Путлер не остановится же на Украине.
Bye, Anatol
Считаешь, что с Украиной уже все?Да, всё. Но есть нюансы.
On 20.11.2023 07:49, Данилов wrote:
Считаешь, что с Украиной уже все?Да, всё. Но есть нюансы.
Состояние по моб. резервам, мат запасам, промышленности и финансам -
Германия, осени 1944-го.
Другое дело, что никому сейчас резкое падение укры невыгодно, как и
смещение Zelenski.
К этому просто никто не готов.
Ни к оккупации, разделению, к управлению территориями, гашению упоротых
ни к восстановлению, ни соц обеспечению местных, ни к разбирательству
с 300 лярдами долгов.
Поэтому будут затягивать насколько возможно, уничтожая организационно и
физически.
On 20.11.2023 17:16, Данилов wrote:
Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.
Если подумать, с пропагандой у Укров вообще прикольно - там сейчас любой
тезис, любой, самый упоротый персонаж, в перспективе работает на РФ.
Взять что хочешь, разобрать и, на тебе!, опять зрада.
Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.
Поэтому будут затягивать насколько возможно, уничтожая организационно
и физически.
Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.
Да здесь в зиване пропагандой не только укры занимались, но и евреи.
Окраинец, например.
On 20.11.2023 19:04, Данилов wrote:
Да здесь в зиване пропагандой не только укры занимались, но и евреи.
Окраинец, например.
- это не при мне. Я сюда недавно, после большого перерыва заглянул,
когда укры тут всё загадили, всех затравили, еху опустошили и сбежали.
- тут, с ситуацией на укре, "лучше один раз увидеть". И не будем
повторять проф. пропагандистов. Их каждый и сам может почитать
посмотреть... Концерт для укро-солдат. Посмотрите - рожи, настроение
возраст. Всё понятно же.
On 11/20/2023 11:16 AM, Данилов wrote:
Поэтому будут затягивать насколько возможно, уничтожая организационно
и физически.
Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.
Не срослось.
Но и российский Херсон не отвоеван. Как там Путлера выбирать будут в
следующем году?
Но и российский Херсон не отвоеван. Как там Путлера выбирать будут в
следующем году?
Ну,не в следующем, так в позаследующем. Спешить некуда. Осознали, что
быстро не получится.
On 20.11.2023 20:08, Данилов wrote:
Достижение тут будет - не "отвоевать херсонскую область", а отвоеватьНо и российский Херсон не отвоеван. Как там Путлера выбирать будут в
следующем году?
Ну,не в следующем, так в позаследующем. Спешить некуда. Осознали, что
быстро не получится.
оную в пустом от населения виде. Без визгов и скандалов со стороны этого
самого населения.
<https://tinyurl.com/yl3conmo> nytimes.com
Zelensky Rebuke of Top General Signals Rift in Ukrainian Leadership
...
It's pretty natural that there would be a rift, given the military affairs are going much, much worse against the expectations they have developed before.
Zelensky seems to seek to continue the desperate and fruitless effort
of what they call "counter-offensive". But many top and middle
commanders there are stunned by the very high losses of manpower and
suggest to change something. In contrast to the fantastic numbers
the Kiev regime and the Atlanticist MSM promote, the real losses are significantly not in favor of the Kiev regime, while Zelensky doesn't
seem to care about it.
Some anti-Semites say that Zelensky, while being Jewish, doesn't care
about Slavic lives, so he's willing to send them to slaughter without
much reflection. Also some Atlanticist politicians, in the US and
Europe, made it clear they consider the Ukrainians a cheap expendable
and even didn't hesitate to plainly speak out about it (the Poland's president Duda did so <https://archive.is/CXFuq>, for example). When,
this summer, it turned out that the Leopard tanks and other pooper-
dooper great Western weapons are well-destroyable, the Atlanticist
patrons ordered the Kiev regime to stop using this heavy equipment in a
large scale - since it's a bad marketing effect - but instead send
more manpower to the attacks, which increased their manpower losses.
So now they seem to have a sort of "rift" there.
Yesterday, the Ukraininan media reports
| Former adviser to the Office of the President Alexei Arestovich
| admitted he had previously misled Ukrainians .. "A significant
| share of responsibility for the faith of an ordinary citizen in
| our quick victory lies with me personally," he said in his
| Telegram channel. "I created an illusion at that time .. Today
| I am destroying it .." .. He recently stated that Kiev won't be
| able .. called for negotiation .. <https://tinyurl.com/yksrqyyq>
That's the way the pop-hypnotizer performs today.
| Arestovich wrote his current post regarding an NBC News article,
| which reported that the West is inclined to negotiate with the
| Russian Federation to end the war in Ukraine ..
The mentioned NBC News article is <https://tinyurl.com/ymnbsfka>
2022-Jul-25 "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote in message news:...
ltlee1, <news:e78bd243-b8f5-4bd5-a460-0ffc0b8159f8n@googlegroups.com>
Arestovich said they
would fight as long as it takes, even for ten years. They realise that >>>> Ukraine may disappear, and a number of other states may appear in its
place, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
Arestovich is a TV-propagandist of the Kiev regime, who appears on their >>> TV every day and tells something "psychotherapeutic", intended to
maintain enthusiastic pro-war sentiment among the populace in the
Kiev-controlled territory. I.e. it's not a rational political-military
analysis but a kind of pop-show decorated to resemble an analysis.
Yesterday, Zelensky publicly verbally attacked Zaluzhny (who
is "commander-in-chief of the armed forces" of the regime),
so the tensions between the army and Zelensky went public.
...
Also, two criminal cases are now open against Arestovich in
Kiev: one for misogynist hateful speech and another one for
false denunciation. The cases are non-political, but the
obvious real reason behind them is the fact that he expressed
an opposition to Zelensky. Arestovich still managed to flee
the Kiev-controlled territory before they got formal reasons
to detain him.
It would be immature to claim the regime in Kiev is starting
to crack, but there are increasingly visible inner vibrations
within it. It's expressed not only in emergence of turncoats,
increasing public friction between high-ranking functionaries,
but also in the fact that some functionaries begin to issue
unusual "confessions". David Arakhamia, one of the key top
henchmen of Zelensky, talked a lot on the Kiev TV yesterday,
and revealed some details that appeared to be shocking to the
locals indoctrinated by the Kiev regime's propaganda before.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts>
Misc outlets retell it with varying accents (whereas English-
speaking media are generally not enthusiastic to report it),
and the essence of his confessions is that in spring 2022, the
Kremlin was very ready to stop all military activities and
withdraw all troops in exchange for Ukraine's neutral non-NATO
status and desistance of the regime's Nazi-like propaganda.
Then, Arakhamia said, Britain's Boris Johnson arrived in Kiev
and said "f*ck Russia, let's simply fight against them", which
was the key advice that caused the Kiev regime to abandon the
negotiation. As one can read in the comments under the video,
the populace are angry after becoming aware of this fact.
For Russian public, the malicious role of the British was
never a secret, but for the Kiev-controlled people it turned
out to be a revelation.
Previously the regime substantiated their refusal to negotiate
with the horrific Bucha case, but now it turns out the Bucha
narrative was staged and used to justify the refusal.
Yesterday, Zelensky publicly verbally attacked Zaluzhny (who
is "commander-in-chief of the armed forces" of the regime),
so the tensions between the army and Zelensky went public.
...
Also, two criminal cases are now open against Arestovich in
Kiev: one for misogynist hateful speech and another one for
false denunciation. The cases are non-political, but the
obvious real reason behind them is the fact that he expressed
an opposition to Zelensky. Arestovich still managed to flee
the Kiev-controlled territory before they got formal reasons
to detain him.
Yesterday, Zelensky publicly verbally attacked Zaluzhny (who
is "commander-in-chief of the armed forces" of the regime),
so the tensions between the army and Zelensky went public.
Also, two criminal cases are now open against Arestovich
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rmYPb7SaY> India news
Ukraine exposes West .. Zelensky Aide's Bombshell Admission ..
<https://tinyurl.com/yn9e34rh> 20min.ch
Q. General Zaluzhny described the war as a stalemate in an
interview and was heavily criticized [by Zelensky] for this.
Did he make a mistake?
A. No. He told the truth .. Of course we can euphorically lie
.. But you can't do that forever ..
<https://tinyurl.com/yr638zjg> pravda.com.ua
Zelensky communicates with commanders bypassing Zaluzhny ..
The swampy riparian zone of the left bank of Dnepr is difficult
to keep under complete control, but it also is not a place from
where it's possible to develop a powerful offensive. The purpose
why Zelensky sends soldiers there is to produce some news-media
effect. Artillery and drones kill these poor obedient ones - who
"didn't get into strategy" - in large numbers, and then Zelensky
sends more manpower there, and when most of them have been
killed, he sends even more soldiers there and so on, so on.
It's ugly, but this way the regime could report that the troops
"hold the bridgehead" (so they must be winning soon).
<https://tinyurl.com/yr638zjg> pravda.com.ua
Zelensky communicates with commanders bypassing Zaluzhny ..
.. Cлучай особый, и мы уже не можем молчать. Левый берег Днепра ..
Как это происходит? Матросы переправляются через реку на подручных
средствах, и большинство убивают еще на подходе к берегу. Тех, кто
выжил и переправился, утюжат всем, что есть в арсенале Великой
России. Оттуда не вывозят раненых. Людей просто постоянно бросают
за реку - волну за волной. Ни о каком прорыве дальше и речи не
идет, сейчас силы и средства растрачиваются просто на то, чтобы
оставаться там. Ради чего? .. Нас наверняка обвинят .., но молчать
более не можем .. Необходимо срочно сворачивать эту операцию ..
The swampy riparian zone of the left bank of Dnepr is difficult
to keep under complete control, but it also is not a place from
where it's possible to develop a powerful offensive. The purpose
why Zelensky sends soldiers there is to produce some news-media
effect. Artillery and drones kill these poor obedient ones - who
"didn't get into strategy" - in large numbers, and then Zelensky
sends more manpower there, and when most of them have been
killed, he sends even more soldiers there and so on, so on.
It's ugly, but this way the regime could report that the troops
"hold the bridgehead" (so they must be winning soon).
Some pro-regime outlets ("we're fed up!") begin to confirm.
<https://tinyurl.com/yqbtwz76>
<http://tinyurl.com/58dhjwvv> businessinsider.com
Unrealistic US expectations helped doom Ukraine's counteroffensive ..
<https://archive.is/HMtjP> nytimes.com
Fresh troops arriving on the east bank have to step on soldiers'
bodies that lie tangled in the churned mud .. Some of the dead
marines have been lying there for as long as two months ..
<https://archive.is/WRnbs>
.. Tensions at the top, exhaustion .. frustration ..
<https://archive.is/WRnbs>
.. Unmistakable sense of gloom in Kiev ..
<https://archive.is/9pWYy>
.. Videos of soldiers shoving people into cars ..
Зеленский <политически уже умер>, заявил нардеп от фракции <Голос>
Роман Костенко .. Он должен понять, что политически он уже умер. И
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rmYPb7SaY> India news
Ukraine exposes West .. Zelensky Aide's Bombshell Admission ..
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