• Re: The Saka Virka Dynasty (420 AD - 640)

    From Sai Alhuwalia@21:1/5 to gan...@my-dejanews.com on Sun Nov 20 10:33:10 2022
    On Saturday, 30 January 1999 at 02:00:00 UTC-6, gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
    In article <78836e$6l8$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
    yash...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
    In article <77tk2o$57k$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
    gan...@my-dejanews.com wrote:

    Virks are an important clan of the Jat Saka tribe. This clan produced
    the Virka imperial Buddhist dynasty (420 AD - 640) of northern and central
    Sakasthana (Indus-Ganga country) whose last emporer was HarshaVardhana. Sir
    Cunningham (former Director General of Indian Archeological Survey) and Todd
    were among the first to discover their clan and tribe identity from coins,
    Tibetan Buddhist texts and inscriptions at Mandasor.

    Harshavardhan was the only major ruler of his brief dynasty,
    Wrong: it was over 220 years - see other post.
    one of his grandmothers was born in the Gupta family. Harshvardhana
    Wrong: The Virkas were confined to the historically and geographically separate Indus-Ganga country (politically separate over 90% of 3500 years!). The coin, inscriptional, archeological and literary evidence from Jain/Puranic/Persian/Buddhist/Chinese sources clearly demonstrate the non-Brahmanical and non-gangetic origins of the Mauryas (Maur clan) and Guptas (Dharan clan).
    Here is the solid historical evidence:
    1) The Puranas do not even refer to the largest imperial dynasties of
    the north such as the Mauryas (324 - 232 BC) and Dharan Guptas (320 AD -
    515) as "Kshatriyas". Regarding the Mauryas, Dehiya [p.147] states "Another indication of the foreign origin (Saka) of these people is . . . The Vishnu Purana calls them (Gupta rulers) Sudras. The Markandeya Purana brands the Mauryas as Asura. The Yuga Purana called them `utterly irreligious, though posing as religious'. The Mudra Rakshasa calls these people as mlechas and Chandragupta himself is called 'Kulahina', an upstart of unknown family".
    2) Mauryan coins have the symbol of the sun, a branch, a humped bull and mountain (Dehiya, p.155). All these are pre-eminently Scythian MassaGetae icons who were Sun worshippers with the high mount symbolizing earth and the irregular curving lines alongside it symbolizes water. The tree branch is a symbol of productivity of the earth - agriculture and soldiering were the traditional "noble" occupation of Sakas. The historians of Darius record
    that when he attempted to attack the Scythian MassaGetae (an old-Iranian culture of central asia) along the Black sea in the 5th century BC, the Saka kings swore by the sun god and refused to surrender "earth and water".
    3) D.B. Spooner who evacuated Pataliputra was struck by his findings and writes in his article "The Zoroastrian Period of Indian History" as follows: "For Chandragupta' s times, the evidences are more numerous and more detailed,
    and indicate a following of Persian customs all along the line - in public works, in ceremonial, in penal institutions, everything".
    4) Regarding the Guptas, Dehiya [p.181] states "The coins of
    SamudraGupta, Chandragupta I, Kacha, Chandragupta II Vikramaditya, Kumaragupta I, Skandagupta, etc. all have the central asian long coat and trousers and boots and long swords. This is the most significant fact
    proving that the Guptas were in fact central asian Jats (a major Saka tribe) . . . ".
    5) P. L. Gupta writes "The most common gold coins of the Guptas appear to be the direct descendants of the gold coins of the later Kushans . . .". He adds that the standing pose of the Gupta kings at the altar is almost identical to that of the Kushan kings, as is their dress - Kushan long coats and trousers (uchkin, salwar/kameez). The Kushana or Kasvan tribe of the Sakas had rule over Sakasthan (northwest) in the period from 1st century to 4rd century AD. The early Gupta coins are significantly called "dinar" and their weight is the same as those of westerly Kushana coins. Moreover, Alberuni (an Arab who traveled to southasia in A.D. 1030) learnt that "the Guptas were powerful but bad and the locals (in the gangetic region) celebrated the end of their rule by starting a new era" (Dehiya, p. 190). This again supports the Scythian origin of the Guptas: the end of the Saka empire in the eastern subcontinent was a cause of celebration to the gangetic Brahmins.
    6) The term "Gupta" is a misnamed version of "Jarta" found in early
    texts and inscriptions by modern pro-Brahmanist historians (e.g. Majumdar, Belvelkar, Satavalekar). "Jarta" is the sanskritized form of "Jat" as other Saka tribal names "Gujar" become "Gurjara" and Munda become Marunda. Gupta
    is derived from "Goptri" meaning "military governor" as in the inscription of Skandagupta (Dehiya, p 176). It was not a surname or clan name but a title. Chandragomin, a gramarian of 6th century AD, wrote "Ajay Jarto Hunan" or "the invincible Jartas defeated the Hunas".
    7) Dehiya [p. 22] further writes
    "The Jain author Vardhamana mentions Sakas and Jartas in 1139-40 AD (Ganaratana Mahodadhi, Kasika, 201). Chandragomin, therefore makes no
    mistake at all when he states that the invincible Jats defeated the Hunas. Yasodharman (Virk) as well as the so-called Guptas were Jats . . . even though the Hunas were themselves late-comer Jats. The clan name of Toramana and Mahirgula, viz Jauvla, is still available among Indian Jats who are now called Jauhl. Majumdar and Belvelkar have to revise their revision. Their
    is no need to change the word Jat (Jarta) into Gupta. The original is quite correct and was mentioned by a contemporary writer".
    8) A contemporary inscription at Mandasor (558 AD) supports
    Chandragomin's account that under the command of Yashodharman Virk, "the Jats not only defeated the Huns but also exterminated them" (Puniya, 178). This
    is futher confirmed by Archarya Gopita, a Jain scholar of the 12th century AD, according to whom "Huns were defeated by the Jats". Similarly, the Artharva Veda says that god Rudra is the king of a people called "Garta-Sada": "Gartasadam Jananam Rajanam". Many modern Brahmanist "historians" like Satavalekar, after numerous contortions (Dehiya, p. 310), translate "Garta" as being equivalent to a cave (Guha) !
    is well known because he is mentioned in contemporary Sanskrit
    texts as well as the account of a Chinese visitor Hiuen-tsang
    (see http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/asian_studies/).
    He supported all religions, not just Buddhism.He is himself
    considered to be the author of some Sanskrit books.

    He is not related to the Virks.
    Buddist texts and Virka coins and inscriptions clearly
    indentify him as a Jat of the Virk clan - hence the dynastic
    name VIRKA !!!!
    In facts Brahmins tried to have him assasinated because of his
    greater leanings towards Buddhism. The plot was discovered and
    the traitors slaughtered.

    Needless to say, there was never anything called "Sakasthan".
    Dream on RSS (1925) Brahmanoid kirar clowns on their 20th century dasya-go-Vedic fantasy trip and ONE FUDU NATION empire!
    Then, why do inscriptions and coins from Indus to ganga litter
    the lansdcape and say "Sakas", "Sakasthana", "Sakamuni", etc.
    Saka Mathura Capital Lion Inscriptions:
    "Sarvasa Sakasthana Puyae" (For the merit of Sakasthani people").
    Herodotus ("father of history") mentions that the Scythian tribes
    controlled central asia down to the ganga river during the 5th century BC. The largest Saka imperial dynasties of Sakasthana include the Satraps (204 BC to 78 AD), Kushanas (50 AD - 380), Virkas (420 AD - 640) while others like the Mauryas (324 - 232 BC) and Dharan-Guptas (320 AD - 515) expanded their empires towards the east.
    Over 65% of the northwest populations (e.g. jats, rajputs, gujars,
    awans, khatris, ahirs, tarkhans, etc.) have been derived to Saka tribes
    based in information in colonial censuses.
    Oldest Brahmins temple in northwest dates to 10th century AD - really
    ANCIENT and post-Buddhist (10th century AD) revisionist and plagerized gangu-Bahman texts
    "forbid brahmins from travelling to Vahika-desa (northwest country"!!! Gandasa
    Selected Historical References on Sakas and Northwest Sakasthana
    (See Dhillon (1994) for catalogue of over 400 references)
    Banerjea, J.N. (1987), The Scythians and Parthians in India, in a Comprehensive History of India, edited by K.A.N. Sastri, Vol. 2,
    Peoples Publishing House, New Delhi, India, 1987, pp 186-309, pp
    830-838.
    Bingley, A.H. (1978), History, Caste & Culture of the Jats and Gujars, Ess Ess Publications, New Delhi, India (first published in 1899).
    Cunningham, A. (1971), Coins of the Indo-Scythians, Sakas, and Kushanas, Reprinted by Indological Book House, Varanasi, India (first published
    1888).
    Dahiya, B.S. (1980), Jats: The Ancient Rulers, Sterling Publishers Pvt.
    Ltd., New Delhi, India.
    Dhillon, B.S. (1994), History and Study of the Jats, Beta Publishers
    Inc., Ottawa, Canada
    Eggmont, P.H.L. (1970), Alexander's Campaign in Ghandhara and Ptolemy's List of Indo-Scythian Towns, Orientalis Lavaniensia Periodica I, pp 63-123.
    Gupta, P.L. (1988), Coins, National Book Trust, New Delhi, India, pp51-52. Hewitt, J.F. (1894), The Ruling Races of Prehistorical Times in India, South-Western Asia, and Southern Europe, Archibald Constable & Co. ,
    London, pp. 481-487.
    Herodotus (B.C. 490-425): The Histories, translated by de Selincourt,
    Penguin Books, New York, 1988.
    Ibbetson Denzil (1916), Punjab Castes: Races, Castes and the Tribes
    of the People of Punjab, Cosmo Publications, New Delhi (1981).
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    Kosambi, D.D. (1953), “The Study of Indian Tradition”, Indica, Silver Jubilee Issue.
    Pradhan, M.C. (1966), The Political System of the Jats of Northern India, Oxford University Press, London.
    Ptolemy (90-168 A.D.), Geography of Claudius Ptolemy, translated and edited by E.L. Stevenson, The New York Public Library, New York, 1932.
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  • From Sai Alhuwalia@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 20 11:26:26 2022
    puranas don;t even mention sungas,nandas and many empires before him..
    mauryan coins had bull,sun,elephant,magadha symbols
    where do u find in sycthians elephant,magadha symbol huh..
    and (sun yes but in hinduism.. sun is the most important element in bringing good luck/fortune to ruler and his rule)
    no where it represented mountains,land and water..
    stop reading ethno-punjabi supermacist!!
    much of coin weight of mauryans and nandas was same as that of persian and greeks because of
    the origin of these coins of archemind in gandhara region which had lot of persian and greek influences..
    as far as the guy gupta who is biased etho-punjabi suermacist is that at that time surnames were given on the basis of location of birth is wrong..it was based upon ur father and ur mother's surname..
    the same gupta guy consider chandragupta to be khatri
    there are many texts and inscriptions which call him rajaputra or kshatriya .. no where anyone say he was SAKA
    ur delusional mfer

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