• Free speech

    From 111222333@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 11 21:54:09 2024
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    Free speech is written into the US Constitution. The First Amendment states:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
    speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to
    assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 18 22:17:34 2024
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    Try "Campus Protest Encampments Are Unethical" in which the author
    argued that campus protest against Israel continuous occupying and
    killing in Gaza is unethical.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/09/campus-protest-encampments-unethical/679882/

    "Proponents of the encampments felt that their cause was urgent, that
    occupying space to protest is a time-honored tactic in the tradition of
    the civil-rights movement, and that calling police to clear encampments
    was violent authoritarianism. Critics of encampments countered that,
    when deployed last semester, they disrupted teaching and learning,
    violated the rights of many students to traverse their own campuses,
    caused some to fear for their physical safety, sparked violence, and
    imposed those costs and others without ending the war in Gaza or having
    any realistic chance of doing so."

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 21:09:34 2024
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    Too be sure, constitutions usually represent ideals shared by the
    people.
    What those ideals means is more complicated. And heavily depends on the
    people which have all kind of views.

    Subsequently, interpretation of ideals such as freedom is subjected to
    court's decision.

    Is the US court functioning as IMAGINED?

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 00:03:52 2024
    You should accept free speech. No one knows everything; you should be
    prepared to listen to different opinions.

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to Howard S. Hong on Thu Sep 26 02:49:17 2024
    On 9/26/2024 12:03 AM, Howard S. Hong wrote:


    You should accept free speech. No one knows everything; you should be prepared to listen to different opinions.



    Change the Constitution to guarantee free speech.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 12:22:56 2024
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    In Western democracies, the legal system is used to limit civil
    disobedience as a form of political protest.

    "Revealed: how the fossil fuel industry helps spread anti-protest laws
    across the US"


    "Civil disobedience is a form of political protest that involves
    breaking the law in a planned, symbolic way – which activists and rights experts say is part of the bedrock of a democratic society and in the
    tradition of civil rights movements.

    The months-long investigation by the Guardian found that companies and lawmakers sought to increase the threat of criminal action against
    activists to protect oil and gas expansion – even as deadly and
    destructive extreme weather events hit communities nationwide.

    Last year was the hottest on record, and wildfires, baking temperatures,
    deadly floods and rising sea levels struck communities across North
    America – and the rest of the world. Under the Biden administration, the
    US has handed out more than 1,450 new oil and gas licences, accounting
    for half of the total globally, and 20% more licences than those issued
    by Donald Trump, who has promised to “drill, baby, drill” should he
    return to the White House.

    The findings from dozens of freedom of information requests suggest that
    the right to peaceful protest is under attack in the US – much like in
    other major democracies including the UK, Germany, Canada and
    Australia."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/anti-protest-laws-fossil-fuel-lobby

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 13:27:57 2024
    Please check out Nancy Pelosi's view on free speech.

    " Nancy Pelosi Challenges CNN for Asking About Trump Questioning Kamala Harris’ Cognitive Health: ‘Why Would You Even Cover That?’ "

    "Nancy Pelosi was incredulous at Jake Tapper sharing a clip of Donald
    Trump questioning Kamala Harris’ cognitive health during a Tuesday
    interview on CNN’s “The Lead,” responding by asking him, “Why would you even cover that?”

    Tapper noted that Democratic voters have asked, “The media made such a
    big deal out of Joe Biden’s alleged cognitive problems, why don’t they
    talk about Donald Trump’s cognitive problems?”

    He shared a clip of the Republican candidate on Tuesday attempting to
    turn the argument against his current Democratic rival, telling his
    audience, “They laugh at us, all over the world they’re laughing at us.
    And you know what they’re really laughing at? Kamala. Because they can’t believe that she’s going to be president. They can’t believe.”

    Trump underlined, “You talk about cognitive problems? She’s got bigger cognitive problems than he has, in my opinion.”"

    https://www.thewrap.com/nancy-pelosi-cnn-jake-tapper-kamala-cognitive-health/

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to Howard S. Hong on Thu Sep 26 11:03:06 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    On 9/26/2024 10:26 AM, Howard S. Hong wrote:
    On 9/26/2024 8:22 AM, ltlee1 wrote:
    In Western democracies, the legal system is used to limit civil
    disobedience as a form of political protest.

    "Revealed: how the fossil fuel industry helps spread anti-protest laws
    across the US"


    "Civil disobedience is a form of political protest that involves
    breaking the law in a planned, symbolic way – which activists and rights >> experts say is part of the bedrock of a democratic society and in the
    tradition of civil rights movements.

    The months-long investigation by the Guardian found that companies and
    lawmakers sought to increase the threat of criminal action against
    activists to protect oil and gas expansion – even as deadly and
    destructive extreme weather events hit communities nationwide.

    Last year was the hottest on record, and wildfires, baking temperatures,
    deadly floods and rising sea levels struck communities across North
    America – and the rest of the world. Under the Biden administration, the >> US has handed out more than 1,450 new oil and gas licences, accounting
    for half of the total globally, and 20% more licences than those issued
    by Donald Trump, who has promised to “drill, baby, drill” should he
    return to the White House.

    The findings from dozens of freedom of information requests suggest that
    the right to peaceful protest is under attack in the US – much like in
    other major democracies including the UK, Germany, Canada and
    Australia."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/anti-protest-laws-
    fossil-fuel-lobby



    You have to guarantee the right to private property in the Constitution. Private property is not to be seized without permission, or fair compensation.



    The President and the Legislature should be term-limited and elected by
    the voters.

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 10:26:48 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    On 9/26/2024 8:22 AM, ltlee1 wrote:
    In Western democracies, the legal system is used to limit civil
    disobedience as a form of political protest.

    "Revealed: how the fossil fuel industry helps spread anti-protest laws
    across the US"


    "Civil disobedience is a form of political protest that involves
    breaking the law in a planned, symbolic way – which activists and rights experts say is part of the bedrock of a democratic society and in the tradition of civil rights movements.

    The months-long investigation by the Guardian found that companies and lawmakers sought to increase the threat of criminal action against
    activists to protect oil and gas expansion – even as deadly and
    destructive extreme weather events hit communities nationwide.

    Last year was the hottest on record, and wildfires, baking temperatures, deadly floods and rising sea levels struck communities across North
    America – and the rest of the world. Under the Biden administration, the
    US has handed out more than 1,450 new oil and gas licences, accounting
    for half of the total globally, and 20% more licences than those issued
    by Donald Trump, who has promised to “drill, baby, drill” should he return to the White House.

    The findings from dozens of freedom of information requests suggest that
    the right to peaceful protest is under attack in the US – much like in other major democracies including the UK, Germany, Canada and
    Australia."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/anti-protest-laws- fossil-fuel-lobby



    You have to guarantee the right to private property in the Constitution. Private property is not to be seized without permission, or fair
    compensation.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 26 16:10:15 2024
    In article <277232a79f602b7bacd5c7e1ee9befaa@www.novabbs.com>,
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Please check out Nancy Pelosi's view on free speech.

    " Nancy Pelosi Challenges CNN for Asking About Trump Questioning Kamala >Harris’ Cognitive Health: ‘Why Would You Even Cover That?’ "

    "Nancy Pelosi was incredulous at Jake Tapper sharing a clip of Donald
    Trump questioning Kamala Harris’ cognitive health during a Tuesday >interview on CNN’s “The Lead,” responding by asking him, “Why would you
    even cover that?”

    Tapper noted that Democratic voters have asked, “The media made such a
    big deal out of Joe Biden’s alleged cognitive problems, why don’t they >talk about Donald Trump’s cognitive problems?”

    He shared a clip of the Republican candidate on Tuesday attempting to
    turn the argument against his current Democratic rival, telling his
    audience, “They laugh at us, all over the world they’re laughing at us. >And you know what they’re really laughing at? Kamala. Because they can’t >believe that she’s going to be president. They can’t believe.”

    Pelosi was just expressing her opinion, not arguing against free speech.

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to Howard S. Hong on Thu Sep 26 11:50:30 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    On 9/26/2024 11:03 AM, Howard S. Hong wrote:
    On 9/26/2024 10:26 AM, Howard S. Hong wrote:
    On 9/26/2024 8:22 AM, ltlee1 wrote:
    In Western democracies, the legal system is used to limit civil
    disobedience as a form of political protest.

    "Revealed: how the fossil fuel industry helps spread anti-protest laws
    across the US"


    "Civil disobedience is a form of political protest that involves
    breaking the law in a planned, symbolic way – which activists and rights >>> experts say is part of the bedrock of a democratic society and in the
    tradition of civil rights movements.

    The months-long investigation by the Guardian found that companies and
    lawmakers sought to increase the threat of criminal action against
    activists to protect oil and gas expansion – even as deadly and
    destructive extreme weather events hit communities nationwide.

    Last year was the hottest on record, and wildfires, baking temperatures, >>> deadly floods and rising sea levels struck communities across North
    America – and the rest of the world. Under the Biden administration, the >>> US has handed out more than 1,450 new oil and gas licences, accounting
    for half of the total globally, and 20% more licences than those issued
    by Donald Trump, who has promised to “drill, baby, drill” should he
    return to the White House.

    The findings from dozens of freedom of information requests suggest that >>> the right to peaceful protest is under attack in the US – much like in >>> other major democracies including the UK, Germany, Canada and
    Australia."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/anti-protest-laws-
    fossil-fuel-lobby



    You have to guarantee the right to private property in the
    Constitution. Private property is not to be seized without permission,
    or fair compensation.



    The President and the Legislature should be term-limited and elected by
    the voters.


    The people should have the right to peacefully assemble and petition the government for change in governmental policy.

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 12:36:57 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    Freedom of religion should be established in the Constitution.

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 12:28:46 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    Withdraw from the South China Sea islands.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Howard S. Hong on Thu Sep 26 16:59:07 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    On 9/26/2024 10:26 AM, Howard S. Hong wrote:
    On 9/26/2024 8:22 AM, ltlee1 wrote:
    In Western democracies, the legal system is used to limit civil
    disobedience as a form of political protest.

    "Revealed: how the fossil fuel industry helps spread anti-protest laws
    across the US"


    "Civil disobedience is a form of political protest that involves
    breaking the law in a planned, symbolic way – which activists and rights >> experts say is part of the bedrock of a democratic society and in the
    tradition of civil rights movements.

    The months-long investigation by the Guardian found that companies and
    lawmakers sought to increase the threat of criminal action against
    activists to protect oil and gas expansion – even as deadly and
    destructive extreme weather events hit communities nationwide.

    Last year was the hottest on record, and wildfires, baking temperatures,
    deadly floods and rising sea levels struck communities across North
    America – and the rest of the world. Under the Biden administration, the >> US has handed out more than 1,450 new oil and gas licences, accounting
    for half of the total globally, and 20% more licences than those issued
    by Donald Trump, who has promised to “drill, baby, drill” should he
    return to the White House.

    The findings from dozens of freedom of information requests suggest that
    the right to peaceful protest is under attack in the US – much like in
    other major democracies including the UK, Germany, Canada and
    Australia."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/anti-protest-laws-
    fossil-fuel-lobby



    The President and the Legislature should be term-limited and elected
    by the voters.

    No country has a monopoly on what is democracy which means "People
    Rule." The Chinese people would collectively decide its form democracy.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Howard S. Hong on Thu Sep 26 16:44:19 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    On 9/26/2024 10:26 AM, Howard S. Hong wrote:
    On 9/26/2024 8:22 AM, ltlee1 wrote:
    In Western democracies, the legal system is used to limit civil
    disobedience as a form of political protest.

    "Revealed: how the fossil fuel industry helps spread anti-protest laws
    across the US"


    "Civil disobedience is a form of political protest that involves
    breaking the law in a planned, symbolic way – which activists and rights >> experts say is part of the bedrock of a democratic society and in the
    tradition of civil rights movements.

    The months-long investigation by the Guardian found that companies and
    lawmakers sought to increase the threat of criminal action against
    activists to protect oil and gas expansion – even as deadly and
    destructive extreme weather events hit communities nationwide.

    Last year was the hottest on record, and wildfires, baking temperatures,
    deadly floods and rising sea levels struck communities across North
    America – and the rest of the world. Under the Biden administration, the >> US has handed out more than 1,450 new oil and gas licences, accounting
    for half of the total globally, and 20% more licences than those issued
    by Donald Trump, who has promised to “drill, baby, drill” should he
    return to the White House.

    The findings from dozens of freedom of information requests suggest that
    the right to peaceful protest is under attack in the US – much like in
    other major democracies including the UK, Germany, Canada and
    Australia."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/anti-protest-laws-
    fossil-fuel-lobby



    You have to guarantee the right to private property in the Constitution. Private property is not to be seized without permission, or fair compensation.

    University campuses are where college students meet, speak and
    therefore protest. Of course, their protests obstructed other members of university from using the facility. But then all protests, would
    obstruct other members of the community from using the same space.

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 26 19:43:08 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    In article <c6b859a3723c4e69648cbbb1edf64382@www.novabbs.com>,
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/26/2024 10:26 AM, Howard S. Hong wrote:
    On 9/26/2024 8:22 AM, ltlee1 wrote:
    In Western democracies, the legal system is used to limit civil
    disobedience as a form of political protest.

    "Revealed: how the fossil fuel industry helps spread anti-protest laws
    across the US"


    "Civil disobedience is a form of political protest that involves
    breaking the law in a planned, symbolic way – which activists and rights >>> experts say is part of the bedrock of a democratic society and in the
    tradition of civil rights movements.

    The months-long investigation by the Guardian found that companies and
    lawmakers sought to increase the threat of criminal action against
    activists to protect oil and gas expansion – even as deadly and
    destructive extreme weather events hit communities nationwide.

    Last year was the hottest on record, and wildfires, baking temperatures, >>> deadly floods and rising sea levels struck communities across North
    America – and the rest of the world. Under the Biden administration, the >>> US has handed out more than 1,450 new oil and gas licences, accounting
    for half of the total globally, and 20% more licences than those issued
    by Donald Trump, who has promised to “drill, baby, drill” should he
    return to the White House.

    The findings from dozens of freedom of information requests suggest that >>> the right to peaceful protest is under attack in the US – much like in >>> other major democracies including the UK, Germany, Canada and
    Australia."

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/26/anti-protest-laws-
    fossil-fuel-lobby



    The President and the Legislature should be term-limited and elected
    by the voters.

    No country has a monopoly on what is democracy which means "People
    Rule." The Chinese people would collectively decide its form democracy.

    The Chinese people in the PRC, including Hong Kong, don't have democracy.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 20:33:25 2024
    "or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;..."

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 20:29:14 2024
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    I open a new thread on Chinese Whole-Process Democracy.
    Feel free to respond.

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 17:53:11 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    On 9/26/2024 4:29 PM, ltlee1 wrote:
    I open a new thread on Chinese Whole-Process Democracy.
    Feel free to respond.


    Lift the exit bans.

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  • From Howard S. Hong@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 26 18:46:27 2024
    XPost: soc.culture.russia

    University campuses are where college students meet,  speak and
    therefore protest. Of course, their protests obstructed other members of university from using the facility. But then all protests, would
    obstruct other members of the community from using the same space.


    Why don't you send some units to the USA for barbeque and video games?

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