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  • Russia says U.S. relations are on brink of collapse Re: On Ukraine: Mea

    From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 10 18:00:28 2025
    "Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told a media conference
    Monday that relations with Washington “are balancing on the brink of a breakup” and reiterated that the war in Ukraine would last until Kyiv
    drops its ambitions to join NATO and withdraws from the four regions
    occupied by Russian forces.

    In remarks suggesting Moscow is maintaining its tough negotiating
    stance, Ryabkov said that “we simply imperatively need to get ... the
    new U.S. administration to understand and acknowledge that without
    resolving the problems that are the root causes of the crisis in
    Ukraine, it will not be possible to reach an agreement.” "

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 10 20:47:15 2025
    Russian spin:

    " Trump-Puttin summit agenda: Accepting US peace plan would end Ukraine conflict on Moscow's terms
    Trump to accept Putin's terms for Ukraine because Xi Jinping is coming
    to Moscow

    Xi Jinping accepted Vladimir Putin's invitation to Moscow for Victory
    Day. If they form a military alliance, Ukraine is not going to be the
    only loss for Trump.
    ..

    Key Takeaways

    Negotiations are ongoing, but the phrase "appropriate time” suggests there is no consensus yet;
    The Kyiv regime is in a position of "do as you're told,” since Trump
    did not consult Zelensky before speaking with Putin;
    Trump's disclosure of the talks suggests he is trying to cover up a
    weak negotiating position.

    Putin Won't Accept a Temporary Compromise on Ukraine

    Based on the nature of the discussions, it appears that Putin seeks a
    peace settlement that includes the demilitarization and "denazification”
    of Ukraine, along with recognition of the current territorial realities.
    Trump, on the other hand, is reportedly offering only temporary
    measures: a ceasefire and recognition of Russia's control over "occupied territories” without further concessions. Additionally, Putin may be
    pushing Trump to renegotiate the global order.

    The only real leverage against Russia would be pressuring China and
    India to stop buying Russian oil, or persuading Saudi Arabia to lower
    oil prices by increasing production. However, Saudi Arabia has actually
    raised oil prices and is not eager to cut its revenues, while businesses
    in China and India continue to find ways to purchase Russian oil. Time
    is not on Trump's side, as Russia cannot be defeated in a war of
    attrition due to its historical resilience and ability to mobilize
    resources."

    https://english.pravda.ru/world/161655-trump-putin-xi-jinping/

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 11 17:23:31 2025
    Another pair of news from the US and from Russia-

    CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-zelensky-intl/index.html

    "“They (Ukraine) may make a deal, they may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday,” Trump said. He
    stressed that he also wanted to see a return on investment with US aid
    for Ukraine, again floating the idea of a trade for Kyiv’s rare earth minerals. The US president’s comments will likely delight the Kremlin,
    which has illegally annexed four Ukrainian regions since launching its full-scale invasion and seeks Ukraine’s total submission."

    Pravda: https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/161659-klitschko-ukraine-russia-conflict/

    "Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko suggested that the military conflict
    between Russia and Ukraine could end within "a month or two.

    He struggled to specify the conditions for the conclusion of the
    conflict, but predicted that they would be difficult to call positive
    for Ukraine.
    ..
    According to Klitschko, elections will be held after the conflict ends, potentially leading to a "fight to the death," with all political forces participating with "roughly the same slogans."
    ..
    Klitschko Calls Maintaining the Army an 'Expensive Pleasure'
    ..
    Reports of Renewed Conflict Between Klitschko and Zelensky"

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  • From bmoore@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 11 21:16:26 2025
    In article <89aa72f2ccca2c66800d72daf36aa4dc@www.novabbs.com>,
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Another pair of news from the US and from Russia-

    CNN: >https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-zelensky-intl/index.html

    "“They (Ukraine) may make a deal, they may not make a deal. They may be >Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday,” Trump said. He >stressed that he also wanted to see a return on investment with US aid
    for Ukraine, again floating the idea of a trade for Kyiv’s rare earth >minerals. The US president’s comments will likely delight the Kremlin, >which has illegally annexed four Ukrainian regions since launching its >full-scale invasion and seeks Ukraine’s total submission."

    Pravda: >https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/161659-klitschko-ukraine-russia-conflict/

    "Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko suggested that the military conflict
    between Russia and Ukraine could end within "a month or two.

    He struggled to specify the conditions for the conclusion of the
    conflict, but predicted that they would be difficult to call positive
    for Ukraine.
    ..
    According to Klitschko, elections will be held after the conflict ends, >potentially leading to a "fight to the death," with all political forces >participating with "roughly the same slogans."
    ..
    Klitschko Calls Maintaining the Army an 'Expensive Pleasure'
    ..
    Reports of Renewed Conflict Between Klitschko and Zelensky"

    The supporters of Putin's brutal rule must love this.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Wed Feb 12 15:00:11 2025
    In article <89aa72f2ccca2c66800d72daf36aa4dc@www.novabbs.com>,
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Another pair of news from the US and from Russia-

    CNN: >https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-zelensky-intl/index.html

    "“They (Ukraine) may make a deal, they may not make a deal. They may be >Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday,” Trump said. He >stressed that he also wanted to see a return on investment with US aid
    for Ukraine, again floating the idea of a trade for Kyiv’s rare earth >minerals. The US president’s comments will likely delight the Kremlin, >which has illegally annexed four Ukrainian regions since launching its >full-scale invasion and seeks Ukraine’s total submission."

    Pravda: >https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/161659-klitschko-ukraine-russia-conflict/

    "Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko suggested that the military conflict
    between Russia and Ukraine could end within "a month or two.

    He struggled to specify the conditions for the conclusion of the
    conflict, but predicted that they would be difficult to call positive
    for Ukraine.
    ..
    According to Klitschko, elections will be held after the conflict ends, >potentially leading to a "fight to the death," with all political forces >participating with "roughly the same slogans."
    ..
    Klitschko Calls Maintaining the Army an 'Expensive Pleasure'
    ..
    Reports of Renewed Conflict Between Klitschko and Zelensky"

    The Pravda report basically lists Putin's condition to end the war:
    1. Re-election and likely a pro-Russia government.
    2. Recognization of the provinces currently incorporated into Russia.
    3. Ukraine de-militarized.

    The CNN report could represent Trump's current focus.
    Ukraine being Russia is not his primarily concern. He wants to get as
    much as possible from Ukraine. He is currently sending the US Treasurer
    to talk with Zelenskyy. Hopefully Zelenskyy would agree to turn more
    Ukrainian assets to the US. Trump would then get Putin to accept these
    promises while negotiating with Putin.

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 13 16:20:21 2025
    "‘Why Are We Handing Russia What It Wants?’: EU’s Chief Diplomat Blasts U.S. Over Ukraine
    ..
    U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth told allies in Brussels on
    Wednesday that Ukraine’s aspirations to join NATO and reclaim its 1991 borders as part of a peace settlement were “unrealistic.” He also said
    the U.S. would “no longer tolerate” European NATO members relying on Washington for security.

    The remarks, followed by a surprise phone call between Trump and Putin
    in which the two agreed to enter peace talks, have stunned European
    officials and raised concerns that Kyiv may be sidelined in discussions
    about its own future.

    “They [the U.S.] say that it’s not going to be NATO membership, but some other security guarantees. Then the questions need to be answered by
    everybody — what are these security guarantees, really?” said Kaja
    Kallas, the EU’s foreign policy chief, ahead of a NATO defense
    ministers’ meeting."

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/13/why-are-we-handing-russia-what-it-wants-eus-chief-diplomat-blasts-us-over-ukraine-a87993

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 16 21:14:28 2025
    "Frontline Ukrainian soldiers who were reached for comment in response
    to recent diplomatic developments, including Donald Trump’s shock announcement of February 12, hold out zero hope that the US president’s intervention will end their invaded country’s nightmare.

    ..

    Take Ihor from the 23rd Mechanized Brigade, known by his callsign
    “Rogue,” who warned that any truce would likely be temporary.“I believe there will be a pause and some kind of truce, but only for two or three
    years, and then it will start again. That’s why we need to prepare for
    the second round, even if a peace deal is signed.

    “I think during Trump’s entire presidency we’ll be preparing and
    building up our forces. Hopefully, during this time, Europe will wake up
    and start supplying weapons properly. And when a new president comes to
    power in the US, round two will begin.

    As for Trump, Ihor said, “Honestly, he shocks me more and more every
    day. He and Putin are practically kissing already. He’ll just hand over
    the occupied territories to the Russians and start extracting whatever
    natural resources we have left. We’ll become Trump’s quarry country.”

    He added: “I think Trump is only interested in making money, and our war
    is hurting that. He wants to end it not because he is a good person but
    because it harms business – and also to show the world how tough he is.”

    Dmytro Zhluktenko from the 413th Separate Battalion of Unmanned Systems, expressed deep skepticism about Trump’s proposed peace deal. Zhluktenko,
    who helped establish one of Ukraine’s most successful charity funds, Dzyga’s Paw, following Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, went on to join the army in 2024.

    “From what we have seen so far, I don’t see any fairness or justice in
    the peace deal being pushed by Trump’s team,” he said.

    Beyond concerns over the deal itself, Zhluktenko criticized the administration’s understanding of the conflict." https://asiatimes.com/2025/02/frontline-soldiers-dont-believe-ukraine-will-get-a-just-peace/

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 18 21:58:05 2025
    "Ukraine Must Guarantee Its Own Security
    A European Troop Commitment Is Not the Way to End This War—or Prevent
    the Next One
    Emma Ashford
    February 18, 2025
    At last week’s Ukraine Defense Contact Group meeting in Brussels, newly minted U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth declared that the position of
    the U.S. government was that Ukraine will not join NATO. Although
    greeted with horror by some in Washington and in European capitals,
    Hegseth’s remarks were in fact more a public statement of reality than a genuine change in policy. ... The risks of admitting Ukraine to the alliance—reflected in widespread opposition to it in the United States, Germany, and elsewhere—have long made this reality perfectly clear to
    all.

    Even Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has recently acknowledged
    that NATO membership is probably not on the table. He has focused
    instead on making a different case to Ukraine’s Western backers: if NATO membership is not available, then his country needs equivalent security guarantees from Europe or the United States to prevent Russia from
    starting a new war in coming years. With the Trump administration
    insisting that no U.S. troops be sent to Ukraine, the conversation in
    European capitals is increasingly focused on whether and how European
    states can provide “security guarantees” through their own deployments.

    Yet there are reasons to doubt whether a European guarantee to provide
    troops is feasible, especially without substantial U.S. involvement.
    .."

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-must-guarantee-its-own-security

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Fri Feb 21 13:51:42 2025
    In article <89aa72f2ccca2c66800d72daf36aa4dc@www.novabbs.com>,
    ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Another pair of news from the US and from Russia-

    CNN: >https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/europe/ukraine-russia-trump-zelensky-intl/index.html

    "“They (Ukraine) may make a deal, they may not make a deal. They may be >Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday,” Trump said. He >stressed that he also wanted to see a return on investment with US aid
    for Ukraine, again floating the idea of a trade for Kyiv’s rare earth >minerals.

    The rest of Trump's Peace-Price Plan:

    "Ukraine shall allocate 50% of all revenue from resource extraction
    licenses to the US, effectively granting Washington a financial stake in Ukraine’s economy.
    A Reconstruction Investment Fund will have exclusive authority over
    issuing and managing resource extraction licenses.
    The US will have the “right of first refusal” on the purchase of any exported minerals, meaning Ukraine cannot sell them to other countries
    without offering them to the US first.
    Ukraine must waive its sovereign immunity, allowing the US to
    legally seize Ukrainian assets if Ukraine fails to meet its financial obligations.
    The agreement classifies Ukraine’s resource transactions as
    commercial, making them subject to US and international arbitration.
    The US will have full auditing rights over Ukraine’s financial
    records related to the Reconstruction Fund.
    Ukraine must submit monthly financial reports to the US and appoint
    an independent auditor, whose services must be paid for by Ukraine.
    The agreement does not specify an expiration date, meaning US
    financial interests in Ukraine’s resources could remain indefinitely.

    In addition,
    To prevent any legal disputes from Ukrainian officials, the agreement specifies:

    “The agreement will be governed by New York law, without regard to principles of international and private conflict of laws.”

    https://english.pravda.ru/world/161709-trump-ukraine-colonization/

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